Normal....dont worry about it.

 

Okay. This is the first bike I've had (or at least that I've noticed) that did that.

I do think I may need to rebuild the master cylinder (from what I've found on the net), though. I find that it is hard to get into neutral while the bike is running but stopped. I've read that this can happen when the clutch doesn't completely disengage, and if a good bleeding doesn't solve it a master cylinder rebuild is in order. I'm sure after 31,000 miles the brake and clutch fluid does need changed (after all, hydraulic fluid is the most neglected part of most bikes).

 

It may be normal, but it is not something I would choose to do. There is a reason for the clutch, and I will choose to use it myself. Maybe it wont harm the engine if done right, but I do have a habit of screwing things up lol

 

I dont think anyone does this on purpose or as part of actual riding.

Ive dont it a few times on accident.

Stop and chatting with a friend real quick.....bike running.....in neutral.....your just sitting there chatting.....accidentally drop your foot on the shift.....bike drops into gear, lurches forward and stalls.....result - you look like a tool.

Okay. This is the first bike I've had (or at least that I've noticed) that did that.

I do think I may need to rebuild the master cylinder (from what I've found on the net), though. I find that it is hard to get into neutral while the bike is running but stopped. I've read that this can happen when the clutch doesn't completely disengage, and if a good bleeding doesn't solve it a master cylinder rebuild is in order. I'm sure after 31,000 miles the brake and clutch fluid does need changed (after all, hydraulic fluid is the most neglected part of most bikes).

Ive got 5 bikes now.....and Ive had as many as 11 at one time. 4 of my current bikes WILL drop into 1st gear from neutral while running. 2008 Victory Vision, 2007 Kawasaki KLR650, 1980 Kawasaki KZ1000 and 1975 Honda CB550. The only one I own that doesnt do this is a 1997 Ural Deco Classic (sidecar rig). I attribute that to the fact the transmission is NOT synchronized....its a bitch to get it to shift WITH the clutch.....lol.

The ones Ive had in the past that I KNOW did this....2007/2003 Yamaha VStar, 1981 KZ440, 1984 Honda Goldwing, 1978 Suzuki DR370.

.....and with the bike running and stopped its VERY normal for it to be difficult to get into 1st gear. Alot of the time you will have to rock the bike back and forth to get it into 1st at a stop while running.

2 options if you DONT like doing that.

Kill the bike, shift it into 1st and restart.

or

Shift into 1st before you come to a complete stop (this is what I do).

 

What actually happened was I put the bike in neutral and was getting ready to put the kickstand down so I could check to make sure my oil filter wasn't leaking (tight squeeze and could barely get my hands behind the headers, so I wasn't sure if I got it tight enough). The little kickstand extension is located right between the foot peg and shifter, and I accidentally hit the shifter, causing the bike to lurch forward and stall.

 

What actually happened is your clutch worked fine and kept its grip,causing the bike to move forward...As far as the tranny actually shifting into first at idle without any clutch,well,there are two sets of gears,one is moving,and one is not.If you hit the shift lever at the proper moment,the gears will successfully mesh and cause the tranny to go into gear...Nothing abnormal in any way has happened here,and your bike is operating normally,don't try to "fix" it.Just try not to bump the shifter when the bike is running and in neutral and you'll be fine.If you do this all the time you will eventually damage the gears in your tranny,but once in a while is no big deal...

 

Sounds like your clutch needs adjusted, I cant put mine from neutral to first without clutch.

 

Most of this is perfectly normal. Pretty soon, you will learn not to check the HOT oil filter that is behind the HOT headers.
You've already learned to shut the engine off when you put the bike on it's stand. If you park it in first gear, it's less likely to roll.

It is more rare for a bike to go from 1st to neutral without moveing- easily. Most people have to rock or push the bike a bit to do that. OTOH, as you've learned, it's easy to shift from neutral into gear.

What's NOT normal is to go 30K without changing ALL fluids several times. I would also change the folrk oil at 30K.

The natural resting place of a motorcycle is on it's side. We need to be aware of EVERYthing while we're conscious.

 

We need to be aware of EVERYthing while we're conscious.

Yeah... hopefully, your NOT unconscious while on the bike...

 

No, I think you misunderstood me. Sometimes it's difficult to get into NEUTRAL when stopped and the bike is still running. I don't mean its difficult to half shift, I mean I'll half shift and feel/hear two distinct clicks... the bike goes from first to neutral, and then slips into second, or vice versa from second to first. Definitely not just me not being able to half shift into neutral.

 

Ahh.....well thats not an "every bike" thing.....but I do have some bikes that seem to "shift past" neutral alot.....I set there....clickty click.....a half dozen times till I get it right. My KLR650 always stop on neutral.....while my Victory Vision seems to "shift past" VERY often when its hot.

.....still not sure its a "problem" though.

 

It might just have been the oil needing changed. Between studying and the front that is moving in tomorrow I haven't had a chance to do much riding since I changed the oil yesterday.

 

This might just be the case. I do notice notchy shifting in my Vision when I get up there on miles and it goes away with fresh oil.

 

The shape of the detent wheel will have a large effect on how a the shift drum stops in neutral, as it is the only thing that puts it there. Some bikes have equal depth detents, with plenty of rotation between them, so neutral is easy. Others have a shallow detent for neutral, or it is a small change in rotation of the wheel (or both) and are easy to send past the neutral detent. Neutral is, after all, just a stop between two gears, and you can have a 'false neutral' between any of the other pairs of gears, like between fourth and fifth.

 

you can have a 'false neutral' between any of the other pairs of gears, like between fourth and fifth.

Had that happen in traffic... it sucked to say the least lol