So, I've been watching some dirtbike vids on youtube. There seems to be a lot of aggression towards dirtbike riders. Why is that? I would like to get one someday so I can ride some trails up to some mountain lakes and stuff but, if this is how it is for you guys... Are these riders doing something wrong to deserve this treatment? I understand if someone doesn't want you on there property or if your bike is really loud and yr ripping things up. If that's the case they should just tell you to leave, not take a rake to yr face or a stick or a knife or push you off yr bike or try to run you over with their truck! Some of these people even try to grab the cam off of the riders helmet! Maybe someone can explain it to me. I have never been on a dirtbike. I have never had someone get in my face on my V Strom, not even close.
Why the hate on dirtbikes?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avBKtIojauI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpFYbjJ9GSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xAlMzVYKrY
Excuse the music on the last vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpFYbjJ9GSA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xAlMzVYKrY
Excuse the music on the last vid.
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A dirt bike rider tearing up the countryside is not innocently doing anything. He is guilty of thinking he owns other people's assets and is out to prove it just because I have not gone to the expense of posting signs all over my property. There is no such thing in North America as unowned land. Get it straight. Even a gravel road is owned by someone, maybe the state and maybe an individual. Dirt bikers are almost as disrespectful of personal property rights as a typical ATV driver, at least in my experience. Yes I have had both on my private driveway. Both seemed to think that because I did not post it as a private driveway they were OK just running back and forth on it. When I move onto that property to live I will be equipped to stop that sh!t for sure. A simple cable across the driveway will be my no trespassing sign and you can bet they won't like it when they decide to innocently go around because I didn't post it every 50 feet. Innocent my aching a$$.
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Loggers lease the land, they are doing a service and earning a living. They probably leave equipment and vehicles there and don't want people in there tearing things up and vandalizing their equipment. I'm sure there were signs warning the people to not trespass, but for sure the bikers camera failed to catch that. Besides, having people in the way of falling trees would be another obstacle to keep things from going safely and quickly.
Since the vids are in Germany, it's not really fair to blame the whole world for what goes on there either.
Since the vids are in Germany, it's not really fair to blame the whole world for what goes on there either.
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They entire South Slope behind my farm was range land. My neighbour across the street leased it. At any time there would be about 100 cows up there, and maybe two bulls. There would also be a fair number of folks on horses.
The wide open spaces are there to ride your dirt bike, but we all have to realize there are others who use the land.
I have competed in many cross country races. The organizing clubs have to do a lot of work laying out the 25 mile loop trail. The courses are usually miles from anywhere, but you can always meet hunters, horse riders or loggers.
Usually loud pipes are a good way to upset almost everybody.
Most of BC is mountains, and there are not too many folks out there, other than well marked and traveled routes.
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They entire South Slope behind my farm was range land. My neighbour across the street leased it. At any time there would be about 100 cows up there, and maybe two bulls. There would also be a fair number of folks on horses.
The wide open spaces are there to ride your dirt bike, but we all have to realize there are others who use the land.
I have competed in many cross country races. The organizing clubs have to do a lot of work laying out the 25 mile loop trail. The courses are usually miles from anywhere, but you can always meet hunters, horse riders or loggers.
Usually loud pipes are a good way to upset almost everybody.
Most of BC is mountains, and there are not too many folks out there, other than well marked and traveled routes.
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#1. Like I have stated, I understand why people would get upset if they are trespassing onto their personal property.
#2 I have also stated that I understand that disrespecting the property is a problem too.(clearly that would include damaging the land)
#3 Perhaps "Oldman47" you could point out where I said "There is a such thing in as unowned land.
I'm not sure where your coming from.Here in MT there is a lot of GOVERNMENT OWNED LAND with public access for dirtbikes. And because of that, we don't have problems with them riding on anyone's PERSONALLY OWNED LAND. I'm not trying to be a jerk (I got it straight) just clearing up the confusion.
#4. I'm not taking any side here. I don't agree with the dirtbike rider or the forester. I was just asking why people hate dirtbike/riders so much because they are not even a small problem where I'm from.
I'm not trying to step on any tows here Oldman47. I am very unfamiliar with the problems dirtbikes cause. Tell ya what, you send me a problem dirtbiker, and I'll send you a few months of snow:biggrin:
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Yeah. Not enough info on those videos to know what's going on. Did the riders knowingly bypass a gate or postings? Have the loggers been dealing with trespassers, maybe those same guys, on their property over an extended time? Is it well known around those parts to not ride in that area? Has it been okay in the past, and the rules changed recently? Were the loggers even loggers? We don't know.
In both woodland videos though, the reaction of the non riders was wrong. Don't attack people when you're outnumbered. Don't attack people who aren't attacking you. Real life is not the internet. The consequences can be much graver.
But what's with the other guys bailing on their buddy? If your friend is being attacked, you help your friend. Sort out the right and wrong later.
That third video, I really don't know. Crazy dude with a maul? It looked like that was an alley that people drive on. Was it a private drive? We don't know.
But again, that was the wrong reaction. Threats of violence may be met with actual violence.
On that, once you lay hands on someone, or threaten them with an implement used as a weapon, you being in the right for whatever non violent issue lead up to the meeting may quickly cease to matter to the law.
In both woodland videos though, the reaction of the non riders was wrong. Don't attack people when you're outnumbered. Don't attack people who aren't attacking you. Real life is not the internet. The consequences can be much graver.
But what's with the other guys bailing on their buddy? If your friend is being attacked, you help your friend. Sort out the right and wrong later.
That third video, I really don't know. Crazy dude with a maul? It looked like that was an alley that people drive on. Was it a private drive? We don't know.
But again, that was the wrong reaction. Threats of violence may be met with actual violence.
On that, once you lay hands on someone, or threaten them with an implement used as a weapon, you being in the right for whatever non violent issue lead up to the meeting may quickly cease to matter to the law.
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Strom, I don't know that there is a problem with dirt bikes and riders. Lots of people have and do ride dirt bikes. I've no animosity toward them. The issue seems to be with trespassers and vandals. Dirt bike, atv, horse, 4x4, mountain bike; any of those are going to run afoul of people if they're trespassing and tearing up stuff.
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Heck, I have a neighbor that has a gravel road running through the middle of his property. Only 1.3 miles but it's his road. The public can use it but at any time he would be in his full rights to throw a couple gates up and stop the public access. Would he then just be hating all people or those that was doing 100mph down it that caused him to close it? People get strange ideas about what they have "the right" to do. If you personally don't own the land you are running around on you have ZERO rights to or on that land. Is that clear enough?
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Crazy dude with the sledge hammer kept saying, "If you do that one more time!" and words to that effect but I couldn't hear what it was that he was upset about. I thought I heard him shouting something about "running up and down here." The paper sign earlier basically said "don't park here." I couldn't make out the first two scribbles.
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I've seen lots of notes left on bikes parked in apartment complexes both in regular spots when people think "damn that guy taking up a premium space with just his stupid bike" and when they are parked in unusual places when people think "who does that guy think he is? Parking wherever he likes"
Most of the time the notes threaten the motorcycle will be pushed over if the owner continues to park in a space/not in a space.
The hate will always be there from some people.
Most of the time the notes threaten the motorcycle will be pushed over if the owner continues to park in a space/not in a space.
The hate will always be there from some people.
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I was torn between thinking poorly of them and thinking poorly of the guys who didn't get on their bikes and ride off as well.
At least they stopped and looked back and waited, though they should have helped. Once the bikes stopped and realized the workers didn't want them to simply leave, they should have taken off immediately.
Like the guy with the hammer. I kept thinking "keep messing around with this old guy and he is going to swing that thing at you or the bike. Push him down and take that damn thing from him, chuck it as far as you can and ride away"
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I was thinking, what a bunch of wimps. Most guys I know would have pulled a gun out. That's the big difference in generations right or wrong. The workers were lucky this time. The next group going through might have a different idea. But then my generation general has more respect for land owners so the issue would never come up.
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I will always think poorly of anyone that turns around and leaves a friend in danger, or in a effed up situation.
But likely these guys were just riding together and casual friends. Just because they were all on bikes doesn't mean that they had any great bond of brotherhood between them. (Well, from their actions, they clearly didn't.)
But likely these guys were just riding together and casual friends. Just because they were all on bikes doesn't mean that they had any great bond of brotherhood between them. (Well, from their actions, they clearly didn't.)
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For me, door dings say it all. The AVERAGE American doesn't give a DAMN about anything that doesn't belong to THEM.
Double that if it's something nicer than what THEY have earned the money to purchase.
Ditto for the litter they simply dump out onto the grocery store or supercenter parking lot. Their entire fast-food meal containers, wrappers, ketsup packs, etc.
Which is why myself and others with mint, 25 year old cars all are forced to park out at the very end of the lot. You don't OWN a "survivor" by letting Joe American (and his or her bratty kids) slam his doors into it.
Double that if it's something nicer than what THEY have earned the money to purchase.
Ditto for the litter they simply dump out onto the grocery store or supercenter parking lot. Their entire fast-food meal containers, wrappers, ketsup packs, etc.
Which is why myself and others with mint, 25 year old cars all are forced to park out at the very end of the lot. You don't OWN a "survivor" by letting Joe American (and his or her bratty kids) slam his doors into it.
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"Average American" typically means anyone who is not of the exceptional character the person using the phrase believes themselves to be, which is usually just about everyone.
It's a pet peve of mine. Not every faux pas is an indication of what's wrong with America/kids/people/the world these days. The average American doesn't want his or her door edge dinged up any more than I want the side of mine dinged up. City folk respect fences just fine. We're actually huge fans of them. No dirt bikers tore up my yard in either the country between the cane fields or the city. I've actually seen the kids on their way down the street exit the sidewalk and walk in the street so as not to trample my grass. I live where the sidewalk ends.
The issue isn't average Americans. It's how much attention the crappy minority receives.
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It's a pet peve of mine. Not every faux pas is an indication of what's wrong with America/kids/people/the world these days. The average American doesn't want his or her door edge dinged up any more than I want the side of mine dinged up. City folk respect fences just fine. We're actually huge fans of them. No dirt bikers tore up my yard in either the country between the cane fields or the city. I've actually seen the kids on their way down the street exit the sidewalk and walk in the street so as not to trample my grass. I live where the sidewalk ends.
The issue isn't average Americans. It's how much attention the crappy minority receives.
/soapbox
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