[Traveling Tall]

 

[hogcowboy]

You apparently missed the reason Polaris dropped Victory. I also feel they did wrong by Victory owners but even dropping them, they are supporting them for 10 more years. So I was never once afraid of buying a Indian and now have 2 years and just over 30K miles on mine. From day one I felt it a much better bike than HD as far as ride quality. Sure there are some things I'd like changed and there were things I did change. But if I were asked if I'd do it again the answer would be, darn right I would. Except for one thing. I don't like the TV screen. But it is growing on me and if forced to have to get another bike it would still be an Indian.

I was also an HD guy. Really liked their looks. Not a lot of different ones. Only two as a matter of fact, but with over 100K miles between the two. I just got tired of being able to ride, worked around trips to the shop for one thing after the other in repairs. It was never ending. My experience was that HD just could not stand up to real travel miles. Matter of fact I went to BMW for another 100K+ miles just to get away from the constant repairs. My other 600+ miles are between several different Honda and Suzuki bikes.

I was leery of Indian because of few dealers there are but I have yet to have to have a mechanic repair. Yes, there have been 4 recalls. All fixed when I wanted not because I had to. I do still carry a good road service insurance plan but that's just HD training. I used it once on my Indian though due to a quarter inch size hole and very rapid air loss in the rear tire.

But I'll warn you, there are good and bad bikes in every brand. If you aren't having problems with your HD, why trade? I've had good and bad in all those bikes I rode. That's why there are several. If you got a good one keep it. Ride it into the ground. We all can't be like Porky and buy another just because we want to. Or maybe you can. I can't.:crying:

So am I worried about getting service on my Indian? Not at all. I simply love the dependability of mine. It's the first HD that works for me. How's that for summing it up? And I'm still getting people gathering around mine asking questions. :grin: :grin: :grin:

 

[GatorJoe]

While you make some Valid Points, 1st being Springfield Original Owners of Indian lasted until 1953 .. Then you are correct about several others trying to make a go of it and failing .. As Far as Polaris dropping victory i think they did well .. Is a shame it didn't catch on for there is no question that my 2012 Victory Cross Country was the Finest most Trouble Free Ride I owned in 50 Years Riding and well over 500,000 Miles on 2 Wheels .. Of the Almost 20 Years Polaris tried to make a go of Victory, only made a slight profit in 2 of these years so after acquiring Indian which was selling better than Victory in it's First Year, was just a good business decision to Drop Victory and not try to compete within the Same Company basically mostly the same style Cruiser and Bagger Marketing as well as the Scout/Octane almost identical Rides.. But as always find your Videos interesting ..

 

[Traveling Tall]

Thank you for your comment, I didn't know that Victory promised to take care of there customers for 10 years afterward. Where did you get this info? If that's true it says a lot about the company. Also, you made some valid points, I wish you would comment on the video so my viewers on Youtube could read it. If you could copy and paste your comment into the comment section on youtube. Its helpful for people to hear from someone who owned both. Thanks again for watching.

 

[Traveling Tall]

Thanks for watching Gator Joe and have a Merry Christmas.

 

[Miss Mercedes]

You make me want to get into bike reviews!

Victory's story is an unfortunate cautionary tale of what can happen and has happened to motor companies in such a harsh market, especially comparatively newer motor companies.

Polaris couldn't figure out how to keep Victory's cash flowing while their Indian reboot was an instant hit. It makes sense why Polaris did what they did, even if they may have at least been partially at fault.

Auto manufacturers are doing similar things. Ford and GM are both killing off a ton of models a decade after both companies killed off or sold brands that were under their umbrella.

It looks like Polaris said in their press release that they would provide parts and service for ten years. Of course, don't expect those parts to be cheap or ready on the shelf for all ten of those years.

Polaris Is Shutting Down Victory Motorcycles | J&P Cycles Blog

 

[GatorJoe]

Thank you for your comment, I didn't know that Victory promised to take care of there customers for 10 years afterward. Where did you get this info? If that's true it says a lot about the company. Also, you made some valid points, I wish you would comment on the video so my viewers on Youtube could read it. If you could copy and paste your comment into the comment section on youtube. Its helpful for people to hear from someone who owned both. Thanks again for watching.

I don't know if Cowboy is set up to respond on You Tube, I am, so I copied his reply and added just a bit of my own along with it .. Merry Christmas to you as well TT ...

 

[hogcowboy]

Thanks Jay. :thumbsup:

 

[Doktor]

How much longer will the left allow Indian to keep its namesake? "Native American MOCO" just doesn't work for me. And that front fender...who they gonna' put on it, Elizabeth Warren? :wink2:

 

[Miss Mercedes]

Hopefully never. Indian's a historic nameplate that doesn't appear to have its roots in stereotypes or racism. Shoot, the company was actually called American Indian before the name was shortened to what we know it as today. Plus, Indian is small enough that I'm sure few non-motorcyclists even know who they are.

The Redskins, Blackhawks, and a few other native themed franchises would see criticism long before Indian Motorcycle.

 

[mike721]

My wife is a founder and officer in the local Indian Motorcycle Riders Group, the parent company is VERY cautious about the sensitive nature of the "Indian" name and takes almost crazy precautions with what they will allow a local chapter to do with their logo to prevent stirring up trouble. There can be no "cultural appropriation", no tomahawks, war bonnets, peace pipes, no feathers, nothing at all Indian related can be added to any logo that they have to approve like their jacket patches.
They take it to extremes, her club wanted to be called the "Lehigh Valley IMRG" and were denied, she had to find out why. Turns out to be almost crazy...the Lehigh is the name of the local river and the whole area is the Lehigh Valley, containing the Lehigh Valley mall, Lehigh University, Lehigh Valley Airport, etc it's a perfectly normal name. Except who even knew that the word " Lehigh" comes from the local Delaware Indian tribes that lived here in this fertile river valley, Lehigh means "the forks", referring to the area where the Lehigh, Delaware, and Bushkill rivers meet..so they couldn't use it and had to come up with a different name.

Hopefully never. Indian's a historic nameplate that doesn't appear to have its roots in stereotypes or racism. Shoot, the company was actually called American Indian before the name was shortened to what we know it as today. Plus, Indian is small enough that I'm sure few non-motorcyclists even know who they are.

The Redskins, Blackhawks, and a few other native themed franchises would see criticism long before Indian Motorcycle.

 

[Offcenter]

They take it to extremes, her club wanted to be called the "Lehigh Valley IMRG" and were denied, she had to find out why. Turns out to be almost crazy...the Lehigh is the name of the local river and the whole area is the Lehigh Valley, containing the Lehigh Valley mall, Lehigh University, Lehigh Valley Airport, etc it's a perfectly normal name. Except who even knew that the word " Lehigh" comes from the local Delaware Indian tribes that lived here in this fertile river valley, Lehigh means "the forks", referring to the area where the Lehigh, Delaware, and Bushkill rivers meet..so they couldn't use it and had to come up with a different name.

That's nuts. Some people.....

 

[hogcowboy]

That's nuts. Some people.....

Yep, that's where the "political correct" garbage allows the control freaks to control. You are correct, it's nuts but you know who caused it.

 

[Miss Mercedes]

All that is nuts.

Though remember that the pendulum swings both ways. For example, where the left may boycott a business for supporting the NRA, the right may boycott a business for supporting Planned Parenthood. Such was rampant in 2016 and even somewhat today as businesses dive into choosing sides on politics.

Big corporations aside, if a business wants to maximize their customers in modern America it's best to not offend either side and be neutral.

 

[Porky]

I will forever boycott the mass genocide of the unborn by the butcher's that do so. Planned Parenthood is a 'killing machine,' and 55 million abortions have been performed since 1973 in the United States:surprise:

https://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/life-issues/dignity-of-human-life/abortion-statistics

The NRA on the other hand kills no one:grin:

Thanks Larry for the compliment regarding my ability to buy a bike when I choose to:wink2: This in and of itself, is problematic: What do I buy? Every single bike out there is a compromise; Harley, my favorite as a long time rider of such and dyno winning builder, very active in the 'HD' culture and Fraternity, I find myself reluctant to buy any used Harley after the 80 inch EVO big twins because of their dismal reliability record. Even the latest models have BIG issues. Just go to GOOGLE or YouTube and search for Harley problems and be scared, very scared:surprise:

I also, being a 'Performance' kind of Guy, hate the fact that a stock big twin Harley can barely pull it's own weight as far as acceleration goes. (Nor can the Indian big twins) Oh sure, sedate high gear passing is fine but even compared to a good running 300-400cc bike, they are just plain slow.:surprise:

Rear wheel dyno HP is pathetic from even their CVO, big inch line. My stock and past Honda VTX1800R and my past Suzuki C109 cruisers could do better in every way and absolutely leave them in the dust by the side of the road and do so reliably:surprise:

I love the way the Big Indian twins look! Stunning:grin: Larry's is beautiful!

I don't want to ride 40 to 100 miles to go to an Indian dealer, when as my TALL friends eluded to, Harley dealers are everywhere one would travel.:grin:

It's easier for me to just sell my maybe 2 year old new bike, with low mileage on it than to buy new tires for it:wink2:

Sam:grin:

 

[highplainsthumper]

Is a shame it didn't catch on for there is no question that my 2012 Victory Cross Country was the Finest most Trouble Free Ride I owned in 50 Years Riding and well over 500,000 Miles on 2 Wheels

There's the problem. Owners were so satisfied with their 1st buy that they kept them until they wore the wheels off. Buying a new bike every 12 years is not a money maker. For a company to make money, you got to be unhappy enough with your current ride to be constantly "upgrading" every couple years. :smiley_drinkcoffee::grin:

 

[Doktor]

Yep, that's where the "political correct" garbage allows the control freaks to control. You are correct, it's nuts but you know who caused it.

Some people THRIVE on finding racism where it absolutely does not exist. Sure, the Indian was named as such because the company wanted to push a motorcycle which would be relished by the weak, the shy, the cowardly, and the uncultured? Nope. the Indian icon was chosen because it stood for strength, valor, courage, fortitude, culture and steadfast pride.

But, alas...the mindless left continue to push vile agendas to enhance their political agendas.

Democrats have their heads up their as**s.

 

[Porky]

I bet it really upset Obummer every time he heard the song: 'White Christmas.'

Sam:grin: