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We use a product called Deep Blue. It's the only topical I've ever found that actually works. Most of the other stuff stinks which I guess makes you think it's working but Deep Blue will tell you it's working. It will get what feels like it getting hot. I put the stuff on an area that doesn't hurt and it doesn't get hot. So it's convinced me it's working when I need it. Expensive stuff but if it works it's better than the stuff that doesn't and you are still in pain.