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This study is a long read, but it strives for accuracy. It shows that immigrants have a higher percentage of people working than native born, but they also draw considerably more from the public treasury. In fact,using a newly arrived immigrant as a baseline, the average drawn from government programs gets HIGHER for each five year span of time and does not drop off until year 21. See "figure 6" for a chart on this. I was just blown away

Look at this study and then think about what has happened to the middle class' standard of living for the last twenty years. I look for a further erosion in the living standard.

If you do not want to read the whole thing, the summary alone might hold your interest.
http://cis.org/Welfare-Use-Immigrant-Native-Households
 

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The way they're driving wages down on construction and manual labor jobs is the big concern to me. But IMO non-citizens should never be allowed welfare.
 

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The way they're driving wages down on construction and manual labor jobs is the big concern to me. But IMO non-citizens should never be allowed welfare.
Agreed on all counts! Unfortunately the evil nanny state Socialist Democrats want illegal alien votes and more bottom dwellers to secure their lock on power, and the evil Republicans support illegal immigrants because every level of business from Fortune 500 all the way down to the local Chamber of Commerce is bribing them to do so for cheap labor.

As usual, law abiding citizens who work, pay taxes and are self supporting are the ones being punished and screwed. Be thankful you won"t be alive 75 years from now to see the hell your children and grandchildren will be suffering in.

"We the people" could have prevented this, but as a society we no longer have the will to do the right thing, and the more that Peter is robbed to pay Paul, the more Pauls we have and the fewer Peters.

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The way they're driving wages down on construction and manual labor jobs is the big concern to me. But IMO non-citizens should never be allowed welfare.
According to the article, the non-citizens might not be getting all that much, but as a family, they certainly share benefits with their children who are born here. The article also points out that the ins and outs of the system are shared with the 'friends and family' leading to increased usage of available benefits.

I talked with a young man who is pretty intelligent to speak with this morning and he was all about how his disability was being challenged. I tried to point out to him that he should try to break free of dependency while he can, because I did not see how he was gonna make it when he had to share the available benefits with all the hordes coming to this country. We kept it civil.

I used my uncle as an example of someone who was disabled from his teens and talked his way into a job that they told him he could not do. He offered them a two week free trial and retired from the place owning a small farm and some amount of stocks. i could tell the kid was really thinking about it, but just did not have the confidence to take a chance on himself.
 

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This is one of those topics that really set me on fire. I see so many people who abuse the system that it really makes it harder for the ones that really need the help to get it.

My husband was involved in an ATV vs. Dirtbike accident in 86. He laid in a coma for three weeks. Docs advised mom to pull plug because he was in their opinion a vegetable. He woke from his sleep. Docs said he would never walk or talk again. He spent three long months at Gaynor Rehab. Mom had applied for temporary disability through SSI for him, as he was unable to do it for himself. And was denied because they said he had too much will to live. But he ended up walking out of Gaynor and on his own two feet. He couldn't get SSI, but how many people do you see that get it because of some made up disability?

I work in a grocery store. I see so much abuse it's sickening. But I do see some people who use their foodstamps wisely, but they are few and far inbetween. The guy who got into a screaming match with me because food stamps will not pay for a cooked lobster. They would pay for a lobster that wasn't cooked. He had an absolute meltdown. He then proceeded to take out a wad of money out of his pocket two inches thick and paid for this cooked lobster. And then proceeded out to the parking lot and got in his brand spanking new Cadilac SUV. It's startiling to go down to the local HUD housing complexes in the town, where HUD pays the rent for the people. Just look in the parking lot. You'd expect to see broken down clunkers, but instead it could pass for a very fancy New Car lot. Here I am, working 50 hour workweeks, and my driveway could pass for a salvage yard. But hey, atleast I can respect myself and look at myself in the mirror knowing I earned what I have. I don't know how the ones that know how to milk the system can feel good about themselves.

There is no more middle class in Merica. It's a thing of the past. Middle class just cannot survive when they are giving all their hard earned money to people that don't know what it's like to put in a hard days work.
 

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They are actually very proud of themselves. And they'll tell everyone just how to do it. I was once in a situation where I was rehabbing and I heard them doing it. Anything they could get free or cheap they would pass that information on to anyone that would listen. Made me sick and I questioned why I was even there. They are scum. Plain and simple but they have learned how to milk the system and consider it their job. It's disgusting.
 

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I am strongly opposed to lax enforcement of immigration laws, but in all fairness I have to say that scamming and scum is NOT confined to any particular demographic, ethnic group or social class!

I have relatives who are born U.S. citizens and whose ancestors were in North America for a couple of hundred years - some of whom even have solid middle class household incomes - who are not above scamming and who will game the system for all they can get! Example: wife makes six figure income per year, husband gets laid off, draws unemployment and gets it extended (back when they had the LONG extensions) and went fishing and plays golf almost every day, no attempt to find work.

Extended members of the same family use different addresses (where other lower income extended family members live) to qualify for food stamps and other assistance.

Two of the members of this extended family have finally qualified as "disabled" and about half the rest of the family is jealous and hoping they can find some way to qualify?!?!

Several members of this family have TWO "free guvment phones" because if you only have one, it runs out of minutes too quick. Most of the rest of them have the "latest and greatest" iPhone 6 or Samsung S6. How does THAT work?

I could go on and on...

The nanny state Socialist Democrats want to expand the underclass that is dependent on government assistance, because that represents a huge voting block. The Republicans have decided to screw the citizens and go for the gold, so they do whatever they can to line their own pockets and get filthy rich and to hell with the country and the citizens they represent. We used to have a two party system in this country, now they just make backroom deals, party together after hours and laugh all the way to the bank at how stupid the voters who pay taxes are.

So, speaking of scum, I would say that all the wealthy fat cat politicians that are selling this country down the river are even bigger and worse scum than those who scam the system! And I am talking about BOTH Democrats and Republicans - they are ALL part of the PROBLEM, not the solution!

They are actually very proud of themselves. And they'll tell everyone just how to do it. I was once in a situation where I was rehabbing and I heard them doing it. Anything they could get free or cheap they would pass that information on to anyone that would listen. Made me sick and I questioned why I was even there. They are scum. Plain and simple but they have learned how to milk the system and consider it their job. It's disgusting.
 

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Yet, we can't even begin to support our soldiers. It pissed me off seeing all those Wounded Warrior support commercials. Why should we have to raise money for them? Our government should have taken care of them. They are the ones that should not have to worry about health care. They paid the price, medical issues should be the least of their worries. But yet we can provide those who wouldn't lift a finger for anyone free medical, free food...This country is half arsed backwards. You should not be rewarded for sitting on your buttinski eating bon bons all day long, but that's how it is.
 

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I am strongly opposed to lax enforcement of immigration laws, but in all fairness I have to say that scamming and scum is NOT confined to any particular demographic, ethnic group or social class!

I have relatives who are born U.S. citizens and whose ancestors were in North America for a couple of hundred years - some of whom even have solid middle class household incomes - who are not above scamming and who will game the system for all they can get! Example: wife makes six figure income per year, husband gets laid off, draws unemployment and gets it extended (back when they had the LONG extensions) and went fishing and plays golf almost every day, no attempt to find work.

Extended members of the same family use different addresses (where other lower income extended family members live) to qualify for food stamps and other assistance.

Two of the members of this extended family have finally qualified as "disabled" and about half the rest of the family is jealous and hoping they can find some way to qualify?!?!

Several members of this family have TWO "free guvment phones" because if you only have one, it runs out of minutes too quick. Most of the rest of them have the "latest and greatest" iPhone 6 or Samsung S6. How does THAT work?

I could go on and on...

The nanny state Socialist Democrats want to expand the underclass that is dependent on government assistance, because that represents a huge voting block. The Republicans have decided to screw the citizens and go for the gold, so they do whatever they can to line their own pockets and get filthy rich and to hell with the country and the citizens they represent. We used to have a two party system in this country, now they just make backroom deals, party together after hours and laugh all the way to the bank at how stupid the voters who pay taxes are.

So, speaking of scum, I would say that all the wealthy fat cat politicians that are selling this country down the river are even bigger and worse scum than those who scam the system! And I am talking about BOTH Democrats and Republicans - they are ALL part of the PROBLEM, not the solution!
I never stated a particular demographic. I simply said the scum are milking the system and are proud of the fact they can. In my particular case I was seeing those that had been working and found milking the system easier so from that point on that was their job.

I've said all along, if you are physically able, you should be doing any job you are assigned to get this welfare money or free goods. We have plenty of jobs no one wants to do. Think about this. Why in the world do government buildings have professional house cleaning when they have people in these buildings just sitting there waiting to plead their case on why they need an extension or more free goods?

It makes no sense. Put them to work for that money while they are their. Clean the toilets. They'll stop wanting that free stuff if they had to earn it. Get real!!!
 

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I never stated a particular demographic. I simply said the scum are milking the system and are proud of the fact they can. In my particular case I was seeing those that had been working and found milking the system easier so from that point on that was their job.

I've said all along, if you are physically able, you should be doing any job you are assigned to get this welfare money or free goods. We have plenty of jobs no one wants to do. Think about this. Why in the world do government buildings have professional house cleaning when they have people in these buildings just sitting there waiting to plead their case on why they need an extension or more free goods?

It makes no sense. Put them to work for that money while they are their. Clean the toilets. They'll stop wanting that free stuff if they had to earn it. Get real!!!

You are right on the money. One can even stroll around with their six children and pick garbage up off the streets. My father raised me right. I was working in the factory and they had their 2 week layoff, where we would all be able to collect unemployment for those two weeks. He made me feel so guilty collecting that money. "Back in my day, we had the CCC camps, we didn't get any money for free, we had to work for our handouts". I've had to work from 5 in the morning to 12 at night at times to make ends meet. But you do what ya just gotta do. I don't mind helping out the working poor, because they are atleast trying, but I detest helping someone who refuses to help themselves. When life gets you down, you pick yourself up by the bootstraps and trudge on.
 

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I know you didn't, and I agree with what you say! I only wanted to point that out -in general- because the title of this thread was in regard to immigrants, and I didn't want anybody coming along thinking that we were stereotyping or blaming all the public assistance cheating on any demographic or ethnic group, and to understand that we realize that scamming and mooching off the system is an "equal opportunity" role.

I never stated a particular demographic.
 

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Are we talking legal or illegal aliens? Illegals have taken over the city I live in. The former Chief of Police told me the City Council told him to leave the illegals alone, they were making so much money off them.

Disability.....

I came down with Esophagael Cancer last year. I went on disability for 8 weeks. The doc asked if I wanted to go on permanent disability (Esophagael Cancer is on the list for permanent disability). She asked if I would take at least 6 months off of work, on disability. Why, so I can sit around and feel sorry for myself? Nope, I rather work, keep my insurance, keep my life insurance, and make money.

I went back to work a bit early, after they removed my Eshophagus, I was pretty f____ up, pretty damn weak. But I sure as hell do not want to go out on disability, I'm not done buying stuff yet. And the max for Social Security Disability in CA is $2600 and change, per month (I'm pretty sure I'd get the max). Not enough for the lifestyle I like to live, certainly not enough to buy that CTS-V I want next year.

I might eventually end up on it, but I'm not there yet. Hopefully I won't be.
 

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Who is the largest group that does not pay taxes, yet transfers billions of dollars each and every day out of the American economy?
I already know
 
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