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If this comment on a Reuters story is true, I would assume this means WAR.



The way I heard it is the Bandidos and Cossacks, along with a few Scimitars, etc. met to discuss some sort of truce, settlement of a turf battle, ...

If true, this means the Bandidos ambushed the Cossacks.

>The Dallas-area news station WFAA obtained a 1 May Texas department of public safety bulletin which said that “violence between members of the Bandidos OMG [outlaw motorcycle gang] and the Cossacks MC [motorcycle club] has increased in Texas with no indication of diminishing … The conflict may stem from Cossacks members refusing to pay Bandidos dues for operating in Texas and for claiming Texas as their territory by wearing the Texas bottom rocker on their vests.”

 

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The bikers shot, were reportedly all shot by the police.

No officers shot, or even reportedly fired upon. That's supposed to be the reason the MC's are threatening the Waco police.
Everything is all heresay so far, let's wait to hear both sides.
 

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I didn't know OMG had two meanings, Oh My God and Outlaw Motorcycle Gang.

Next time a woman squeals "OMG!" I'll have to ask her to be more specific. :biggrin:
 

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You should know by now ODE, Wade doesn't wait for facts. He just like stirring the pot.
 

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The bikers shot, were reportedly all shot by the police.

No officers shot, or even reportedly fired upon. That's supposed to be the reason the MC's are threatening the Waco police.
Everything is all heresay so far, let's wait to hear both sides.
I kinda doubt your supposition, DE. Headshots tend to be executions. Cops are trained to aim for the center of mass, speciifically the chest/torso.

And "...were reportedly all shot by the police." I'm following the news stories on this, actual REPORTING, and I haven't seen a SINGLE suggestion those killed were "all shot by the police."

Can you provide a link or somthing otheer than some biker's SUPPOSITION on some forum that the cops did all the killing?

Thanks!
 

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>The occasion was a publicly scheduled meeting of the Texas confederation of clubs and Independents - a grassroots gathering called to discuss legislative and safety issues according to William A Smith a Dallas-based attorney and biker who said these happen about every other month you and had always unfolded without violence

This was REPORTEDLY the origin of the meeting at Twin Peaks.

So nine guys are dead over either A) an argument over a parking space, or B) some sort of shoving match in the bathroom.

Real mature, these guys.

But it all goes along with the "Disrespect => DEATH!" culture of MC "Clubs," and I use the term "Clubs" disparagingly. Hell these clubs got into a fight at a Toys for Tots run a month before.

>Members of the Banditos Texas' largest biker gang and the Cossacks a newer much smaller group tangled just before Christmas at a Toys for Tots charity event in Decatur followed by a slaying in Fort Worth bar for which three Banditos are charged with murder.
 

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I kinda doubt your supposition, DE. Headshots tend to be executions. Cops are trained to aim for the center of mass, speciifically the chest/torso.

And "...were reportedly all shot by the police." I'm following the news stories on this, actual REPORTING, and I haven't seen a SINGLE suggestion those killed were "all shot by the police."

Can you provide a link or somthing otheer than some biker's SUPPOSITION on some forum that the cops did all the killing?

Thanks!

To dispute your reliable source there Wade??? ;)
Like I said let's wait until the "facts" come to light.
 

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The basis of every one of your posts.

I call that irony.
...the Cossacks a newer much smaller group
Check your facts.

The Banditos were founded in San Leon, Texas in 1966.

The Cossacks were founded in Tyler, Texas in 1969.

Technically, they are newer, but the liberals love to skew facts.
I wouldn't call 46 years vs. 49 years "newer".


 

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Damn I hate to cloud a good troll with facts... but here is a few... with a link even!

http://www.ktvn.com/story/29109922/waco-restaurant-video-shows-bikers-others-seeking-cover

By NOMAAN MERCHANT, DAVID WARREN and EMILY SCHMALL
Associated Press
WACO, Texas (AP) - As gunfire broke out in the parking lot of a Texas restaurant, dozens of motorcycle riders ran inside seeking cover and tried to guide others to safety, security video reviewed exclusively by The Associated Press showed Wednesday.

The video, shared by representatives of the restaurant, shows bikers on the patio ducking under tables and trying to get inside. At least three people were holding handguns. One biker was seen running with blood on his face, hands and torso.

The footage shows only one round being fired - by a biker on the patio who then ran inside.

Authorities have said the shooting began during an apparent confrontation between two rival motorcycle gangs - the Bandidos and the Cossacks. Some bikers have complained that police acted too hastily in making arrests and scooped up riders who had nothing to do with the violence.

Before the shooting begins, the inside of the restaurant appears to be mostly empty. Bikers and other patrons can be seen walking to the windows facing the parking lot where most of the shooting happened.

When gunfire erupts at 12:24 p.m., most bikers, other patrons and staff immediately run away from the windows and into the restaurant's interior. At least three people can be seen holding handguns.

One camera angle shows bikers running into the men's bathroom. When there's no space left in the bathroom, they dash toward the kitchen.

Another camera angle, on the far side of the restaurant from the gunfire, shows patrons who are not wearing biker gear crawling behind tables toward the kitchen. At least three bikers appear to be gesturing for the patrons to crawl to safety.

None of the nine video angles shows the parking lot.

Only one angle, taken from inside a back office in the restaurant, had audio. At 12:24 p.m., a woman is heard screaming, "Oh my God!" That's followed by multiple cries of "Get back!" Two minutes later, three gunshots are heard. It's not clear who fired.

Video shows police with assault rifles entering the front door at about the same time. As two officers enter, bikers can be seen lying on the floor with their hands spread.

Before the shooting, at least 20 members of the Cossacks gang can be seen on the patio. Members of the Scimitars, Boozefighters and Leathernecks can also be seen on the tape. While no Bandidos are immediately visible, police and one member of that biker gang have said some of their members were at the event.

The AP was shown the video by representatives of the Twin Peaks franchise, who have said the fighting began outside the restaurant, not inside as police have previously said. The franchise did not release the video publicly, citing the ongoing investigation.

Waco police spokesman Sgt. W. Patrick Swanton said police have the video, but he had not seen it and would not discuss its contents.

Authorities on Sunday swept up around 170 bikers who descended on the restaurant. Among those arrested was Theron Rhoten, who had just pulled into the parking lot on his vintage Harley chopper when the bullets started flying.

Rhoten showed up at the Twin Peaks restaurant for a regional motorcycle club meeting. But, according to his wife, he soon found himself in the middle of a deadly shootout involving scores of other bikers.

Katie Rhoten said her husband ran for cover and was later arrested, along with motorcycle-riding friends and other "nonviolent, noncriminal people."

"He's good to his family," she said. "He doesn't drink. He doesn't do drugs. He doesn't party. He's just got a passion for motorcycles."

Police have said that all those arrested were part of criminal motorcycle gangs, but only five of the nine people killed had criminal histories in Texas, based on court records and a search of their names in a database maintained by the Texas Department of Public Safety.

In addition, Manuel Isaac Rodriguez was arrested in 2010 and served probation for unlawfully carrying a weapon at a bar in Lewisville.

Police have acknowledged firing on armed bikers, but it is not clear how many of the dead were shot by gang members and how many were shot by officers.

Authorities have said the gathering of five biker groups was to resolve a dispute over turf. Some bikers dispute that, saying the meeting was organized to discuss laws protecting motorcycle riders and other subjects.

Katie Rhoten said her husband, a mechanic from Austin, called her from jail and said that he and two other members of Vise Grip motorcycle club ducked and ran for cover as the violence raged around them.

The arrested bikers have all been charged with engaging in organized crime and each is being held on $1 million bonds.

The eight members of Theron Rhoten's group, the Vise Grip Club, specialize in building and riding vintage and antique motorcycles, particularly pre-1970 Harley Davidson big twin choppers, according to spokesman Brian Buscemi.

Buscemi said the bimonthly meetings have been happening for 18 years.

"Yes, there was a problem at this scene, and it was absolutely horrific," he said. "But there just also happened to be a significant amount of people there who had nothing to do with it."
 

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This article brings up the possibility (IMO probability) that some of the armed bikers shot by the police may have drawn in self-defense.
One article mentioned video from inside the restaurant showed some patrons drawing weapons making me wonder about my own response had I been there. I conceal carry and had shooting broken out around me, there is little doubt my weapon would be drawn. In a scenario like this, that action would likely make me a target for police.
 

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Apparently everyone has already forgotten what you're suppose to do. "Hands up, don't shoot".
 

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One article mentioned video from inside the restaurant showed some patrons drawing weapons making me wonder about my own response had I been there. I conceal carry and had shooting broken out around me, there is little doubt my weapon would be drawn. In a scenario like this, that action would likely make me a target for police.
You and me both.

Of course, had I been there, (and might have, if not for this thing called work), I also had a set of fingernail clippers in my pocket.
 

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If you CHOOSE to hang out with a bunch of 1%'ers, who are KNOWN and BELEIVED by law enforcement to be armed and dangerous, and a fire-fight breaks out, and you, regardless of your innocence, choose to DRAW a handgun..

Well what the *** do you THINK is going to happen? The AR-15 toting LEO is going to stand there and ASK YOU if you're the "good guy" with the gun or one of the "bad guys."

You lie down with dogs, you're gonna wake up with fleas. You go to events where 1%'ers congregate, eventually you're going to get sucked into a situation. Especially if you're packing, legally or otherwise.

Just like my signature sez...Common SENSE! Today it's considered a SUPERPOWER.

And some of you apparently can't tell a link from something I wrote. You disagree with a link, a quote, GO TELL THE PERSON WHO WROTE IT,'

The Cossacks are CLEARLY a smaller, less well known than the Bandidos, Safety. And you ACKNOWLEDGED they're 3 years 'younger." Apparently MY "liberal" FACTS are correct!
 

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It seems to me that the logical thing for law enforcement to have done when arresting 170 people is to have conducted powder residue tests to discover which of the bikers may have fired a weapon. I wonder if it was done in the chaos of the situation?
 

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What an.... I said they were 3 years younger, but I also stated that is irrelevant due to one being 46 years old and the other 49. The way you stated it, in a manner of trying to SKEW the facts, would have one believe the Cossaks are a NEW club trying to get in the game.


...and...

There was no "HANGING OUT" with 1%ers.

It was a Confederation of Clubs and Independents meeting. An OPEN meeting for ALL BIKERS to discuss issues that affect us all.

Are there elitists among us that think we should have open meetings, and tell the clubs they are not welcome?

Most people wouldn't know a 1%er if he was bit in the ass by one.

I spent 2 hours last night at work bull****ting with a 1%er.

A Texas Bandido *gasp*, guess what, he works for me, yup, he's got a full time job and everything, working a 2 and 1 hitch. He is highly upset about his Brothers being gunned down.

One of the men that was killed does not own, nor did he have, a weapon. It's on the interweb, look it up.

I'm tired of people that don't know spewing false information.


 

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