awesome pants all around and cheap. great knee protection and a zipper for zipping to compatible jackets. I have used these in conjunction with a layer of thermal, a layer of warm'r, and the liner in -5 degrees. nice and warm and great protection. summer riding without the liner the airflow isnt the best but 70 degrees they are still usable pretty comfortable.
Only flaw of this product is you need to baby the zipper(still very durable I am just completely reckless) and sometime the front button unsnaps unless you velcro it up with excess material towards the button.
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