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I am not surprised. Brexit is a disaster IMO. There is a record number of English companies verging on financial difficulty, close to 500,000. Many others have moved away from England, or are planning to do so.
The folks in charge are feeding a bunch of lies to the folks at home. Possibly my Made in England Triumph, may go up in value. The plastic fairing is made in Italy, and the gearbox is a copy of a Japanese bike. Either Suzuki or Kawasaki, forgot which.
Stuff from Taiwan can be okay. From China, not so good.
The Triumph factory in England is top notch.

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Why are they moving? Is it like the USA where they are taxing them(businesses/manufactures) into moving or is it something else? Or way more complex than one simple thing?
 

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Brexit is the main problem. At the end of this year, England ends all trade agreements with the EU. There is huge uncertainty about the land, with respect to who can work and live where, what duties will apply, what customs checks and much more doom and gloom. There is lots written about the Brexit mess. Anyone who says it is not a mess, is lying or grossly misinformed.

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But is something the general populace wants. The cost of staying in is loss of control of their own country including their military. It will all be run by the EU governing body in Belgium. Not to mention the monetary cost to stay in the EU. It is a mess but a lot is at stake.
 
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I guess I have no idea what is actually happening with this Brexit thing. Not my country so not paying much attention to it. I thought they were just dropping out of the EU thing and going back to being their own independent country as far as trade goes. What's the military got to do with that? So yeah, I'm grossly misinformed.
 

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I will try and explain what I know, which may or not be accurate. The entire EU will be controlled by a governing body residing in Belgium. There are representatives from each country in this group. They will control all the countries much like our government controls the states. The pass the laws, run the military, control fishing rights, everything.

There is also a cost to being a member and a bigger cost to get out of the union. At the moment there is an astronomical cost for the UK to pull out. That is one of the many things being negotiated. Fishing rights are a big issue as well as they want to exclude UK fishermen from the EU waters. There are many many other things involved but that gives you a general idea.

If they stayed they would not be able to manage their own country, control or deploy their military, not even sure that they would have a government maybe just a puppet one with no authority. Not sure what would happen to the Royals. Most of my friends there are pro-Brexit as they are in my age group. The only ones I know that are for it are younger and much like Bernie's followers leaning toward Socialism.
 
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I will try and explain what I know, which may or not be accurate. The entire EU will be controlled by a governing body residing in Belgium. There are representatives from each country in this group. They will control all the countries much like our government controls the states. The pass the laws, run the military, control fishing rights, everything.

There is also a cost to being a member and a bigger cost to get out of the union. At the moment there is an astronomical cost for the UK to pull out. That is one of the many things being negotiated. Fishing rights are a big issue as well as they want to exclude UK fishermen from the EU waters. There are many many other things involved but that gives you a general idea.

If they stayed they would not be able to manage their own country, control or deploy their military, not even sure that they would have a government maybe just a puppet one with no authority. Not sure what would happen to the Royals. Most of my friends there are pro-Brexit as they are in my age group. The only ones I know that are for it are younger and much like Bernie's followers leaning toward Socialism.
Being an outsider living in the US, that's pretty much how I understand it too, at least hearing from interviews with Nigel Farage and a couple of other British politicians. The British have always been very independent, and independent thinkers, I never understood how they were willing to give up so much control of their own destination. I'm not into this one economy, global government, open borders, one currency ****.
 
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The speech Farage made to the EU when they left was insulting at best. There is a lot of misinformation about the whole deal. At another site we have been chatting since the non binding referendum. 57 pages of chat. Graphs about everything, up to the moment news from folks close to the action in Jolly Old.
England had control of much that they say they do not have control of. But anyway, it is up to them to figure out the mess. The vote was around 51% to leave, 49 stay. I said that kind of decision should require a super majority of two thirds or more. I remember when they joined and screwed over some commonwealth countries like NZ and Ozz.
The English had easy travel and work privileges in the EU. Now some are complaining they have to go thru customs.
This will take a while. Scotland Whales and Northern Ireland are not happy.
Being born English, I take the privilege of being free to rant. There is a lot more to this than meets the eye.

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Most of my friends there are pro-Brexit as they are in my age group. The only ones I know that are for it are younger and much like Bernie's followers leaning toward Socialism.
Now that's what I thought this whole mess was about, the drive to socialism. Why and how this whole mentality got started is unclear to me. We've been blaming our liberal school system in the states but what the excuse in England. I guess I really didn't realize how wide spread this trend to almost get to communism is. Looks like Russia is winning the beyond my wildest imagination. And not firing a shot. Yeah, I'm not for this one world one economy thing either. Been an independent type too long. This younger generation has no idea of what they are about to accomplish. This fantasy world they seek does look good on the surface. And maybe once all countries surrender to this train of thought it might work. I don't really think it will but once there is no reason to try to be better than the next person it might. I just grew up to try to do my best, not just live. No winners type mentality just isn't my thing. There is a winner but there will be far fewer and they'll be much richer and much more in control. I just don't get how that's better.
 

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Financial news has a story today, about how badly the negotiations are going with the EU. And they do not start until next week. This is the positioning before the event. EU wants employment standards and other things included.
Meanwhile Northern Ireland is not happy with the border checks, either factual or lack of. It is a gong show IMO.
They look to the Canada US Mexico deal and think it was easy. It was not.

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Regarding BREXIT and politics in general, unfortunately, a lot of our children have been "brainwashed" IMO by our educational institutions. As a USA citizen with a good deal of time overseas, mainly in Western Europe with the Netherland and Germany being most prominent, I see things a lot differently from most of my countrymen of a similar middle-aged group.

The idea of a socialist-tinged government to me brings up images of East Germany, Hungary, Vietnam, and similar nations. To the 20-somethings around me, they look to Scandanavian Europe with gender equality, and lots of 'free of stuff' being the Eutopia they want.

What is missing in today's discussion is a fair assessment and discussion of what life is really like for average citizens in Cuba, Venezuela, Vietnam, Russia, China, etc.

I'm not saying there isn't room for improvement but, I also don't want the heavy yoke of Socialism or Communism on my shoulders.

Coming full circle back to BREXIT, I honestly don't know how it is all going to work out for the British. The last thing they need now is a slowing economy and BREXIT ensures that is a reality to a certain degree. Now add COVID to the mix and I am concerned for the British and their way of life.

Beijing Biden and the Democratic party are trying to fundamentally reshape America in a different but, similarly dramatic way and I fear we destined to becoming serfs to the PRC which already controls the global supplies of most things needed in our extended supply chains to live our lives. Am I destined to the cotton fields and a re-education camp too like the Uighurs?
 

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I am not surprised. Brexit is a disaster IMO. There is a record number of English companies verging on financial difficulty, close to 500,000. Many others have moved away from England, or are planning to do so.
The folks in charge are feeding a bunch of lies to the folks at home. Possibly my Made in England Triumph, may go up in value. The plastic fairing is made in Italy, and the gearbox is a copy of a Japanese bike. Either Suzuki or Kawasaki, forgot which.
Stuff from Taiwan can be okay. From China, not so good.
The Triumph factory in England is top notch.

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Where the hell do you get your info from pal the best thing we ever did was to leave the EU blood suckers, have you any idea how much we had to pay them for the privalage of being part of a club that was bleeding us dry..
 

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Being an outsider living in the US, that's pretty much how I understand it too, at least hearing from interviews with Nigel Farage and a couple of other British politicians. The British have always been very independent, and independent thinkers, I never understood how they were willing to give up so much control of their own destination. I'm not into this one economy, global government, open borders, one currency ****.
Perhaps not so much as in days past. They seem to be a whole lot more "woke" now. But definitely not as bad as most of the Borg that live in Europe. Hence their vote to leave the union, as much like the US role in NATO - they were paying more than their share of costs.

And definitely not as independent and freedom loving as Americans.

The difference between citizens and "subjects".
 

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it is the same as it was here back before Clinton signed the NAFTA (North American Free Trade Agreement) this allowed the companies to outsource thier parts to third world countries for cheaper costs. So they could take advantage of the low labor costs from china, tiwan etc...

all this will do for you is what it did for us.. 9 out of 10 things sold will make the company money, not save you a dime, and give you a shity product.

I remember when "Made In The US" and "Made In Britian" meant something, you got a quality product, that could potentially last forever.

Third world countries are not like ours where we value the worker and pay a fair labor wage, and offer benefits. they will be lucky to work twice as hard for less than half the $ and no benefits what so ever...No wonder all these imigrants want to cross our border...

Whats worse is our 2 countries dont allow this kind of worker abuse, but its ok in thier eyes as long as the politicians dont have to deal with it.

The US has 95 percent of our debt with china! and they produce the worst product there is, talk about being screwed.. Sounds like Britian is next to be on the "I owe You" list for china, tiwan, korea etc...
 

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Nobody needs an absentee govt telling you how to do business where the ruling body, the EU appoint representatives to delivery their version of fair govt. The EU is a globalist green idea where you have very little say in how any future decisions that effect your country transpires. A fledgling socialist entity. Trump was correct to take a pass.
 

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Where the hell do you get your info from pal the best thing we ever did was to leave the EU blood suckers, have you any idea how much we had to pay them for the privalage of being part of a club that was bleeding us dry..
Many of the folks on the discussion group I referred to above, reside in England. Some are workers, some own companies. Some also own property in France or Spain. The chat can be strong from both sides. I listened to Farage. It was disgusting IMO.
We also have friends and relatives in England. Will likely be there in 2022. Been postponing it for 3 years.
I was in NZ when England joined, so have some first hand knowledge about what happened there.
I have an English built Triumph.
As a bike rider, did you watch the races at Silverstone today? Foreigners won all the races. UK
 

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What we have here is democracy. The UK voted to get rid of the EU and that's exactly what they did. No more nose ring, and yes some people like to be led by the nose but Farage and Johnson weren't having it and they got the job done.
 

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Usually many issues require a super majority. 51 to 49 does not settle well on money and election issues, and many others.
The death penalty cessation in Canada, had a two vote majority. Quebec withdrawal was that close. The US election was that close. But that is the way it is. England may or may not be better off, and half of the population might be happy.
George might have something to say. Kenny has been banned from talking vaccine and politics. Both are English.
I wonder if B above will come back. UK
 
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