Yeah, I used to have a GL1200 Goldwing with a hydraulic clutch which was REAL stiff, but I still held it at lights, too. I somehow feel 'safer' knowing that I CAN get out of the way, IF I need to. Just that I know some people who either can't or don't want to hold that stiff clutch in, so they shift into neutral, and most that I've noticed doing that are riding HD bikes. Dare I say, YMMV? :biggrin:My Harley has a cable, the Yammie a hydraulic. Both have aftermarket stiff clutches. I hold both of them in at a light.