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Stability and ATGATT

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We don't wear protective gear when we drive our cars or trucks because we are protected by the vehicle and things like seatbelts and air bags. Other than race car drivers I can't recall seeing a helmeted car driver. To a lesser degree I have found that the greater stability of riding a three wheel motorcycle, which greatly reduces the likelihood of ending up on the ground for anything other than an actual crash, has worked to move me further and further away from the ATGATT that I used to practice.

I started riding in the early 1980's and at first was totally oblivious to safety gear. But one day, riding my beautiful red Honda cruiser with no windscreen, no helmet, no gloves or jacket or boots even I hit a June bug at about 55 miles per hour. I thought I had been shot in the face, and ended up with a real bruise that took weeks to go away. The very next day I bought myself a helmet and gloves, and the boots came a bit later. But by the '90's I was a Motorcycle Safety Instructor and if nothing else then to not set a bad example should any of my students see me out on the road, I always wore full geat (other than armored pants which I always found too hot). I pretty much stayed "mostly" ATGATT until the summer of 2021 when I traded in my Goldwing for a Can Am Spyder. Now I find I am willing to wear an open face helmet or in some cases no helmet at all (yes, I know that this is foolish). I often wear fingerless gloves, "shoe" boots that are vented for hot weather, and a lightweight mess jacket if any jacket at all.

I think it is the reality that the Spyder will not tip over, at least during the type of riding that I do, and with the greater front end as compared to a two wheeler, I never even have someone turn left in front of me as used to commonly happen on 2 wheels. I come to a stop and keep my feet on the floorboards and don't worry about instability should the road suddenly turn to gravel or dirt. Some days I just wear a t-shirt, jeans and tennis shoes. But I find I still always wear some form of gloves, and most of the time a helmet of some type (usually a modular with the chin bar left in the up position).
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I was a fair weather gear wearer in my early years.
Then I started doing track days, which of course requires all gear including a full leather suit.
I started thinking how silly I had been assuming the street was safe enough to not wear all that gear.

Then...After hitting a deer in 2015 and seeing how badly my leather jacket, gloves, full races boots, and helmet got carved up after tumbling down the highway, I was grateful I had changed my thought process.
As I was strapped to a hospital bed, I observed my mother showing off the bags full of gear they had removed from me to all the nurses and doctors. She was so proud and grateful as well.

Tipping over should be the last concern for a motorcycle rider. 2 wheels or 3.
A car or animal striking a motorcycle does a lot of damage.
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There are plenty of photos taken on the Tail of the Dragon that show three-wheeled bikes, including Spyders, with one wheel in the air. They will tip over if you push them, and you are often going a lot faster when it does.
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The Spyder doesn't let you get a wheel up in the air more than the tiniest bit. The computer, called "the nanny" radically slows you down whether you want to slow down or not for that type of situation. I don't push things that far. In the 18 months that I have riding a Spyder I have yet to have "the nanny" engage.
If you get run off the road or crashed into, the ATGATT might come in handy, but pick your excuse.
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If you get run off the road or crashed into, the ATGATT might come in handy, but pick your excuse.
I know that you are right. But maybe its a bit of willingness to take a bit more risk in return for more comfort as well as having three wheels.
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I know that you are right. But maybe its a bit of willingness to take a bit more risk in return for more comfort as well as having three wheels.
Yep, everyone to their own, I feel naked without gear. There are times, especially driving the MX5 that I seriously think about wearing all my riding gear!!
I know I'm in control of my bike 99.99% of time and will not crash. But I wear ATGATT because I can't control any other person on road around me. I've been riding for 40-yrs and have seen way, way too many serious injuries and deaths that would've been nothing but bruises if they had gear on.

3-wheels or not, doesn't even matter if you're moving. Plenty of people have died falling over in their own driveways (on bicycles too!). From vertical distance of 6ft to ground, your head will hit at 20mph!
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I ride for the fun of riding. Over the years I have been out on really hot days where even with minimal gear it is hot, especially when stopped. And then I will see some rider, typically on a BMW, in full gear, full face helmet with visor down, heavy duty leather gloves, knee high boots, etc. and I know that if I were dressed that way I would probably collapse with heat stroke or vow to never ride again. But obviously some are willing to dress that way and accept the discomfort on summer days, in return for the undeniable degree of safety that it affords.
When I lived in the valley I road rain or shine and 115 degree heat and loved it. Now I'm a bit older and those temperatures would probably force me into mess gear, but where I live now we only have a few 100 degree days and I can deal with that and remain comfortable. Like riding in the cold below freezing temperatures it's a part of riding year round and I dress for the occasion! Wife as well, cold or hot we like to ride with all the gear. Fortunately we have choices!
I guess the newer models are so equipped; the photos I saw were from several years ago, and the wheels were more than a few inches above the pavement. Everything changes, I guess.
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