man, ain't that the truth.Style? To each his own.... I look at a Harley bagger (or a Japanese wannabe) and think, "Come on, guys. It's not 1953 any more". The big Indians are even worse - they look like 1934.
If it does anything to save corporate H-D, I'm all for it - hope the sell a bundle. Just wish they were made anywhere but China.
Eric Buell made a good shot at it, but H-D killed it. Here's one you probably never heard of from a few years back - the Motus. Impressive ride, but their price tag killed them...........I wonder, where do you apply for a grant to start a motorcycle manufacturing business?
Buell screwed up just like Cannondale and Alta. Too much too soon. Effin engineers overdoing everything. So smart they're stupid. Priced right out of the grasp of many.Eric Buell made a good shot at it, but H-D killed it. Here's one you probably never heard of from a few years back - the Motus. Impressive ride, but their price tag killed them.
The Motus is a sport-touring motorcycle with the soul of an American muscle car. Descended from the Small Block V8, the Baby Block® V4 is the heart of it all. Refined. Powerful. With character unlike any other. It is the American V4.motusmotorcycles.com
I do support US Harley, I own a Harley and will buy another, perhaps several in my lifetime. 2nd hand, of course.Johnny, do you ever support anything other than Foreign motorcycles? "You guys from the USA"--your IP addresses show you are in the United States--OUI?
I don't agree. It's the overexpantion, the quest to be everything for everyone that has hurt them.I do support US Harley, I own a Harley and will buy another, perhaps several in my lifetime. 2nd hand, of course.
I also support their effort to become a global company, which they can only do by offering products that foreign markets want to purchase. If the US motorcycle market is declining, and it has been, for various reasons that have been discussed, then it only makes sense to try to sell bikes where people ARE buying them, which is in asia.
Asian markets have very plainly rejected the big, heavy, high capacity machines that HD are known for here. If one looks at published sales data, (and I focus on India, because it surpassed China as the largest consumer of two wheelers some years ago, AND it's very difficult to find any published information sales data for China), one sees that the majority of HD sales were of their Street 500 and 750, with much much smaller numbers of larger machines. In all, HD sales comprised less than 1/10 of 1% of the 44 million machines that were sold there, for the year I checked. Since Royal Enfield's 350 was simultaneously outselling their 500 at something like 25 to 1, and RE has subsequently withdrawn the 500, it only makes sense that anyone at HD paying attention might conclude that the Indian market prefers something even smaller than a 500 twin.
My point would be that embracing the intelligent, market based moves, that HD is making, is much more supportive of the company, than insisting that they do what they have always been doing. If you look at my posts, you will see that I have made statements in favor of the Street twins, the LiveWire, and the 350, whatever they are going to call it.
I even lauded their little two stroke Hummer, from the 50s, that never sold very well. Supporting HD does not mean insisting on a high cap V-Twin engine. That attitude is exactly what got them into the trouble they are in.
I'd say that HD never STOPPED offering the big, high profit bikes, .... let's look at the numbers:I don't agree. It's the overexpantion, the quest to be everything for everyone that has hurt them.
They need to go back to what they do best.
Big bikes, with that big profit margin, for those looking for the allure that HD has.
It's interesting that the exact opposite is being reported.Motorcycle sales will continue to decline due to this Pandemic and regretfully, it will adversely affect that WONDERFUL Royal Enfield company you so dearly love!
I want to say that there wouldn't have been much R&D cost associated with hanging new plastic on an existing chinese bike, which was the original plan. However, in true HD fashion, that changed and they are apparently doing something a bit more elaborate with the engine, probably for a very good engineering reason. If you are going to do R&D, though, doing it in China has got to be cheaper than doing it in the US. Since this is a collaboration with Qiangjiang, I'd assume that Qiangjiang is underwriting a generous proportion of the development and tooling cost.So, with all this R&D, all the cost incurred, trying to be like the rest, all over the globe, not a lot has changed?