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So ...

Here's my SECOND try to tell this story & ask for discussion, your experience or someone you know or related event observed.

My bike is a 2010 BMW K1300GT. I bought it off E-Bay 3 years ago, 18K miles on it; "Finest example of the model they'd seen" according to Dealer I had it delivered to for a complete "clock reset". It's been serviced by them when it's been due [every 18 mo.] since.

Rear Brake pedal went 'hard' in late June. Just got on to ride to town & @ the end of the drive - - WHOA ? WTF ! Knew it wasn't a good thing but ran with it and a couple runs over the next 3-4 days things SEEMED to return to normal. Service notice illuminate during the event so I sucked-up and called in for an appt. 2 weeks+{and one or two more jaunts} I'm still awaiting the service appt.; headed into town - 10 mi., major intersection arriving outskirts of town & the rear-end locks down as I mildly CA stop & low-speed turn. Nearly dropped the bike from the engine stall-down before I saved the momentum with the clutch.

AAA tow to the dealer 75 mi away. Tech reports 6 separate bleed-down events & ABS sys. flush inducements before he has system seemingly restored to normal operation. No guarantees that it won't reoccur, unsure of what suspect cause is and the proposed mitigation to the problem's return is a "shotgun" solution of replacing hoses, Rear M/C & POSSIBLY part of the ABS sys. that is involved!:surprise: OBW, that'll be $880 today; several thousand NEXT time.

THEY SAY they've never seen nor ever heard this occuring before. BUT I've found stuff out there that indicates this is a BIG INCONVENIENT TRUTH ~> Especially for BMW's. THEY EXPECT you to REPLACE your brakelines between 4 & 6 Years out! WHOA! I'm finding it hard to sit down right now. WHO KNEW?
 

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Personally I would be hesitant to spend $880 without knowing what the cause was and whether it was being corrected. Let's figure that out first...

Good luck with the bike - hopefully it was just some gunk in the master cylinder that got flushed out.
 

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If your onboard computer flashed a brake failure notice, it could be the ABS pump. brake pad wear, or low brake fluid. Generally, the ABS pump failure occurs when the brushes in the pump motor get stuck. That will trigger an error code that causes the bike to lose ABS function.

There is a diagnostic device that will read the error code off of your ECU. That should be the first thing checked. Do not replace anything without knowing what code it threw.

If it's the ABS pump, a dealer could charge as much as $3000 to replace it with a new one. Dealers will not install rebuilt parts due to their service agreements with BMW and due to liability with non-factory parts.

But if you are good with a wrench or have a dependable independent mechanic, you can have the ABS pump sent out to MODULE MASTER to be rebuilt for about $250 plus $30 each way for shipping. Turn around time is about a week. Here's a ink to MODULE MASTER. I don't know what the mechanic will charge you, but it runs about $500 in my area to flush out the brake fluid, remove the ABS pump, reinstall the rebuilt unit, replace the brake fluid and bleed out any air and test the brakes. You'll have to do the shipping and arrange the rebuild.

If you have a GS-911 Diagnostic Tool, you can read the fault yourself. Here's a link to the diagnostic tool site.

Here is an example of the diagnostic tool in action.


Good luck getting your K1300GT back on the road.

BTW, my brake lines are braided stainless steel. Been on for 11 years with no problem. I do not see a need to replace them. I flush the brake lines about every 18 to 24 months.
 

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I had that happen on a f150 1997 model they told me the same thing and had to send the computer board to Florida for some sort of repair took all of a month from start to finish. Good luck but I personally dont do ABS on anything I can get away with anymore these days.
 

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Does BMW have factory district reps you can call and talk to?
I've been considering that option, however as third owner of an 8 y.o. K bike that they no longer produce I'm leery of undertaking the effort. I don't really see what I could reasonably expect from such an effort.

BUT . . . WTH ~~~~NO isn't that alien of experience; so I WILL probably pursue it.

Essentially my effort here in this discussion group is to gain depth in the end consumer experience. For myself personally, with this issue, I'm still in problem solving mode. Thanks for your reply.
 

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Personally I would be hesitant to spend $880 without knowing what the cause was and whether it was being corrected. Let's figure that out first...
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Well PERSONALLY I wouldN'T and HAVEN'T* ~> I'm a little taken aback that the CAUSE of the problem developed such a bill, that they pursued the service WHILE KNOWING they were working on a bike that wasn't service ready when it was completed; WITHOUT such an additionally monsterous repair being authorized and undertaken. It was irresponsible. . . . AND {the elephant in this} they KNEW what the culprit is. IT's THE BRAKE LINES.

THEY ARE OF INFERIOR MATERIAL DESIGN**. AND. . . the best they can offer me in resolution is replacing them WITH MORE OF THE SAME.

BECAUSE there isn't any AFTERMARKET MFGR/SUPPLIER producing ANYTHING BETTER for THIS bike.

* The bike was in "limbo" having arrived via transport and their work schedule had forced them to leave the bike untouched for over a week, with no commitment to even look at it at the close of my "check-in" call. Then two days later I get a call . . . BUT they've NO SIGNED R/O :devil::devil:
**I'd post the YouTube vids that support this but I haven't acquired the "15 posts" mark

Thank-you for your well wishes.
 

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A-H-H The all empowering IF

IF the onboard computer . . .

BTW, my brake lines are braided stainless steel. Been on for 11 years with no problem. I do not see a need to replace them. I flush the brake lines about every 18 to 24 months.
NO OZ, it didn't BECAUSE it WASN'T INVOLVED. BECAUSE that system has design protocols that have the BASIC HARDWARE's functional service performance as a given.
Like most F.I. automotive power management systems don't show a "CHK ENG" lite when the fuel pump konks-out. SO . . .

It's the Brake Lines . . . and maybe the Rear M/C Plunger. {I'd had a "HARD PEDAL" event prior to this / came & went before this issue arose}

You have SS lines eh? What prompted this upgrade? That's the direction I'd really like to go. BUT I've been led to believe there are currently NONE AVAILABLE for a 2010 K13; GT or otherwise. What model do you have? Anything to suggest to this conundrum?

ThankU for the thoroughness of your response. But what probably what would help me the most {besides finding some heretofore unheard of source for the above} is to have this experience go viral and develop a compedium of BMW owners who have been faced with similar events.
 

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Eureka ! A kindred spirit! {at least after a fashion}

I had that happen on a f150 1997 model they told me the same thing and had to send the computer board to Florida for some sort of repair took all of a month from start to finish. Good luck but I personally dont do ABS on anything I can get away with anymore these days.
SOOooo my lovely :devil: the PROBLEM, yes . . . BUT was that ALL they did? Did the computer repair mitigate the problem? Tell me some more about this bike (as I am unfamiliar with it, I'm assuming it's a BMW of course) and the tenure of your ownership of it please. :smile_big:
 

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That was all they did and per the current owner it has given zero trouble. I owned it 2 years I think. I was prepared to retro an old system onto it but once the warranty was up I sold it with full disclosure instead. A 1997 f150 is a pick up truck, not a BMW of any type.
 

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You have SS lines eh? What prompted this upgrade? That's the direction I'd really like to go. BUT I've been led to believe there are currently NONE AVAILABLE for a 2010 K13; GT or otherwise. What model do you have? Anything to suggest to this conundrum?

ThankU for the thoroughness of your response. But what probably what would help me the most {besides finding some heretofore unheard of source for the above} is to have this experience go viral and develop a compedium of BMW owners who have been faced with similar events.

I have the K1200R Sport. SS Brake lines were standard equipment.

If there are no aftermarket SS lines for the GT, look up the measurements for the K1300S. They may fit.

There are some K bike forums that may help you.

Try: The BMW Sport Touring forum: http://www.i-bmw.com

Also, try the K Bike Forum: https://www.k-bikes.com/forums/

Good luck.
 

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AWESOME HELP fm the man behind the curtain

I have the K1200R Sport. SS Brake lines were standard equipment.

If there are no aftermarket SS lines for the GT, look up the measurements for the K1300S. They may fit.

There are some K bike forums that may help you.

Good luck.
THANKS SO MUCH OZ:grin: Tell me where or how to go about acquiring those measurements and I'll buy you some brews @ Everybody's in White Salmon, WA [should you ever find your way there].

TRULY. THAT info is GOLDEN.
 

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NOT so kindred spirit

That was all they did and per the current owner it has given zero trouble. I owned it 2 years I think. I was prepared to retro an old system onto it but once the warranty was up I sold it with full disclosure instead. A 1997 f150 is a pick up truck, not a BMW of any type.
:nerd:Y-E-E-E-Y-A-H . . . but . . I hadn't anticipated running across such a reference in THIS forum; and I am NOT up on every model designation that BMW Moto has seen fit to use since time ad infinitum.

So I'll wear this one; 'cause I'm the newbie.

BUT . . . I'm watchin' out for you now.
 

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:nerd:Y-E-E-E-Y-A-H . . . but . . I hadn't anticipated running across such a reference in THIS forum; and I am NOT up on every model designation that BMW Moto has seen fit to use since time ad infinitum.

So I'll wear this one; 'cause I'm the newbie.

BUT . . . I'm watchin' out for you now.
Umn ok. It was a similar problem. I could not tell you how many issues cross the barriers of 2-4-10-18+ wheels. Still is applicable, look at the circuit board, connection on the electrical side.

BTW I have owned Zero BMW's but helped many BMW owners with what I know. I had a Guy with a Volvo called me yesterday having a brake code asking me what to do, and I had to help him recenter to go back to the basics first. He fixed it. Sometimes outside the box re-thinking and cross product knowledge is helpful.

I tried to offer help, a direction, that is all. Geez.
 
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THANKS SO MUCH OZ:grin: Tell me where or how to go about acquiring those measurements and I'll buy you some brews @ Everybody's in White Salmon, WA [should you ever find your way there].

TRULY. THAT info is GOLDEN.
Here's a link to the MAX BMW K1300R parts list with microfiche detail diagrams. The K1300S/R/and GT bikes share a common platform with various exceptions.

To the right of the K1300R (K43) you'll see a menu of parts categories. Click 34-Brakes to get to the brake details.

I suggest you give them a call to identify the part numbers you need and they can verify the cross-reference to the models those parts fit.

Good luck.
 

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MORE AWESOME HELP fm the man behind the curtain

Here's a link to the STILL FORCED TO EDIT OUT DUE TO FORUM POLICY Oh Well!
To the right of the K1300R (K43) you'll see a menu of parts categories. Click 34-Brakes to get to the brake details.

I suggest you give them a call to identify the part numbers you need and they can verify the cross-reference to the models those parts fit.

Good luck.
THIS is why COMMUNITIES like we have here are such a positive step for ALL of us.:wink2:
 

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AW-W-W I was just funnin' ya

Umn ok. : Sometimes outside the box re-thinking and cross product knowledge is helpful.

I tried to offer help, a direction, that is all. Geez.
:wink2: I see that now. I understand and your HEART is in the right place.:smile_big:
 

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FINALLY 15 Posts! Here's what I've learned on this

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. . . AND {the elephant in this} they [the dealer & BMW] KNOW what the culprit is. IT's THE BRAKE LINES.

THEY ARE OF INFERIOR MATERIAL DESIGN**. AND. . . the best they can offer me in resolution is replacing them WITH MORE OF THE SAME.

BECAUSE there isn't any AFTERMARKET MFGR/SUPPLIER producing ANYTHING BETTER for THIS bike.


**I'd post the YouTube vids that support this but I haven't acquired the "15 posts" mark
https://youtu.be/L5OlMf4wq5U -----~> Be Sure to read the COMMENTS <~------
https://youtu.be/d1VRr1-FQaY
https://www.webbikeworld.com/stainless-steel-brake-lines/
Thank-you for your well wishes.[/QUOTE]
 
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