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Hello all,
I am currently 16 years old and intend on getting my motorcycle license. I already have my normal car license (with restrictions because of my age). I live in Maryland and the law states that because I am under the age of 18 I must take the Motorcycle safety course before I can get my permit or license. I intended to do this anyway simply because I have very little experience riding dirt bikes/motorcycles. In the manual that it suggests you read before taking the course it says that If you pass the course you get a piece of paper and you can go to the MVA and get your license without and additional skills testing. So does this still apply to me if I am under the age of 18 or do I still have to go through the whole process of getting my permit and then going on to get my license. And if I can skip the skills test is there still a written test I have to take? Every time I ask this question everyone gives me answers based on their states laws which doesn't really help me and I don't really understand the wording on the Maryland website so any help is highly appreciated.
 

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It appears to me from what I read that you must first take the Motorcycle safety course and pass the skills test. Then you will have a provisional license that you must use until you have 18 months of experience or turn 18. It appears that Maryland makes it difficult to understand the law, at least for a hick from Nebraska. What I would suggest is that instead of relying on info from an open forum, you should just go to your DMV and ask them. You can ask them every question that immediately comes to mind and they will be able to answer them correctly. Otherwise you can look here like I did and just scratch my nose and know nothing more than I did before I opened the page.

http://www.mva.maryland.gov/About-MVA/INFO/26300/26300-24T.htm#provisional
 

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Otherwise you can look here like I did and just scratch my nose and know nothing more than I did before I opened the page.
Yeah I tried to link everything but I'm not allowed to since I'm a new user. The Maryland Motorcycle manual directly seems to conflict with the website stating how to get a motorcycle permit. So I guess I will just have to go in to the mva since the Maryland website is just terrible
 

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You might be able to get an answer by calling them. Also, the BRC folks might be able to tell you.

Good Luck!
 

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You might be able to get an answer by calling them. Also, the BRC folks might be able to tell you.

Good Luck!
Thanks for the encouraging words. I was really trying to avoid going to or calling the DMV because I really hate that place but, it seems to be my only option at this point.
 

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Welcome to the forum.
If your state is one that accepts the MSF BRC certificate as equivalent to an exam at the state facility,I would expect that to be all that you need. Whoever runs the BRC where you live will definitely know the answer so ask them first. Hey, they are on your side.
From what you have quoted from your manual it sure sounds like the BRC will get you get a class M endorsement with no further testing but do ask the MSF people who absolutely will know what the local rules are.
 

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In my state, if you pass the BRC, you don't necessarily have to get the permit, but you "have" to pay the 40 bucks to take the permit test. (vision and additional 16 question test).And then the additional costs of them adding just an M to the endorsement. I just think its a way for the state to make money. Everyone has to take the BRC in my state, and it's 200. So all in all, it costs about 300 smackers in my state to add an M to your license....and they wonder why so many people ride without.....Atleast take away the stupid permit test, you already passed the test at BRC!!!!
 

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Thanks for all the responses. I finally just gave the MVA a call and they said that as long as I already have my provisional license and I bring them the certificate from the BRC saying I passed they will add it to my license for a nice little charge of $50. So all in it will cost me $250 but it's definitely worth it!
 

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In Illinois, those under 18 must take the BRC, then take the DMV tests as well. Those over 18 will get a waiver from the DMV tests for completing the BRC.
 

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Yikes. I didn't realize that Dods and I live in Illinois. I guess at 66 years old I can't be expected to understand the "under 18" age restrictions but it does seem unfair. If I pass or a 17 year old passes the same course we have both demonstrated the same skill level. Why do I get a waiver with it but the 17 year old does not? It just doesn't seem fair to me. He/she showed exactly the same skills that I did in the BRC test.
 

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They figure the 17 year old aren't as mature....though I know plenty of over 50 guys that have resorted back to their childhood antics for fear of aging....
 

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So Zippy, if we each pass the same test why do the local driver's license people care about my age? That 17 year old and I both took the same darned test and had the same outcome. What value is added by retesting the younger driver? They certainly cannot test for maturity. It is even worse than that. Here in Illinois they assume that older drivers are totally incompetent and require them to return each year to keep a driver's license current. When I asked about it I was told that they would also require me to take that bike driving exam annually when the age restriction kicks in. Again, what is the real point? Is it to keep me from riding?
 

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I think its more about revenue making. Here in my state, even if you pass the BRC, you still have to pay for a learners permit, even if you are just getting the M endorsement added on. Just the gov way of making more dough...I don't agree with older drivers having to be retested unless it is deemed necessary on a case by case basis. My gramm was 94 when she stopped driving, let me tell you, she could pass Mario Andretti any day....
 

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More like 3 hours if I am driving to O'hare, the only thing that would make be drive to Chi town on purpose. More like 6 blocks over but that is OK too. My point was more about testing vs reasonable issues. Can you, I know you have been a BRC instructor, really support a double standard for younger riders? I am certain that I cannot. Age discrimination really sucks in my book.
 

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...................... I live in Maryland and the law states that because I am under the age of 18 I must take the Motorcycle safety course before I can get my permit or license............
THAT'S an interesting twist on it! I don't know how many States are on board these days, with a "requirement" to take the MSC, but I hope ALL of them eventually pass that Law!

For the State of Maryland to require ONLY if "under 18" is the interesting part. I'd like to see it "Mandatory" for any "new" Motorcycle Operator!!!

For THAT matter, I'd like it to be "Mandatory" that all "Licensed Drivers of Motorcycles" must take an Advanced Riders Course, (offered by whatever skilled Agency or Organization the State wants to sanction) after five years of being Licensed, with the risk of LOSING your License if you don't pass a "Skills Test."

Don't "skip" anything, my young friend!! There are no shortcuts that are worth much in life. You end up missing something that is critical for your own good, and screwing up. Then you look backwards in time, and remember how you "could have done it right, but didn't." Usually the "look back" is done with some part of you broken or damaged, and THAT stays with you for THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!

-Soupy
 

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So Zippy, if we each pass the same test why do the local driver's license people care about my age? That 17 year old and I both took the same darned test and had the same outcome. What value is added by retesting the younger driver? They certainly cannot test for maturity. It is even worse than that. Here in Illinois they assume that older drivers are totally incompetent and require them to return each year to keep a driver's license current. When I asked about it I was told that they would also require me to take that bike driving exam annually when the age restriction kicks in. Again, what is the real point? Is it to keep me from riding?
It's all about control. Not of a vehicle but controlling you. It is the end goal of everyone now. I personally think a driving/riding proficiency test should be required every 10 years at the very least. So testing every year, okay, but do it for everyone. Would I like it? No. But I see way too many out there that have no right to be there. Now, can you just see motor vehicle departments being able to handle that? They can't handle what they do today and most of that work is computerized!:thumbsdown:
 

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I would like to see less government controlling everything we as a free people can do. Once government requires a little bit, they will go after it all. Next we will have a government telling us what size soft drink or how much salt we can have to go with our fast food meal. Oh, I guess we already do. So much for being a free country.

Careful what you ask for!

I wish more self responsibility was the rule and people wanted to get the optional training instead of forced to. That should be taught by parents from birth, but it is left up to the schools because the parents no longer have the desire to be burdened with it.
 

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I would like to see less government controlling everything we as a free people can do. Once government requires a little bit, they will go after it all. Next we will have a government telling us what size soft drink or how much salt we can have to go with our fast food meal. Oh, I guess we already do. So much for being a free country.

Careful what you ask for!

I wish more self responsibility was the rule and people wanted to get the optional training instead of forced to. That should be taught by parents from birth, but it is left up to the schools because the parents no longer have the desire to be burdened with it.
Yeah, it would be nice if everyone was more self responsible but, you basically countered your own argument by providing examples of when people aren't. And it's one thing for people to endanger themselves but when they have the potential to endanger others that's when the government has to step in. Wishful thinking doesn't provide results.
 

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Yeah, it would be nice if everyone was more self responsible but, you basically countered your own argument by providing examples of when people aren't. And it's one thing for people to endanger themselves but when they have the potential to endanger others that's when the government has to step in. Wishful thinking doesn't provide results.
The governments job is not to protect us from each other, it's job is to protect us from outside our border, and they are not doing that little part of their job. There are already so many rules and regulations that cannot or will not be enforced, adding a bunch more will not make us any safer, it doesn't matter to the people any more, nobody is held accountable for their actions any.

If people wish to live in a communist or socialist environment, they have the right to go to one of those countries. Murder is illegal, but it happens anyway, does that mean it's the governments job to see that it doesn't happen? I'll bet a lot of people speed too, but the government cannot control that with a law. Maybe there should be a cop on every corner, how about cameras everywhere, RFID injections comes to mind too.
 
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