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600cc too big for a beginner.... YES. No im not a beginner but anything that can do this without any other vehicle involved is too big for a beginner.

Sand on a highway on ramp, my new worst enemy. I obviously missed it bc I wasnt rocketing through the turn like I have b4 I was doing 45-50 when ive been through it at 70 (now I know how lucky Ive been getting) Again lucky for me I had been riding in only a t-shirt well when I crashed it was my 3rd time wearing my not so brand new any more jacket.

Cause: I think I was looking too far through the turn plus trying to match traffic speed for the highway and didnt look hard enough for road debree, front tire hit it and without warning down I went, wish it would have went slowly so I could have reacted but nope....
 

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Yeah I'm fine the gear all did its job, a little road rash here and there (even through the jacket and jeans, cant imagine if i didnt have nething on). Other than that I slid ontop of my head about 150 feet so my neck was a bit strained but its Alot better now. Thanks for the concern.

I got to looking at it today, if I replace parts myself I'm looking at about $1500, but the engine wont start and I plugged the guage in and it says FI and acording to the manual theres something wrong with the fuela injection system, NE one have an idea of what could happen to the fuel injection from rolling around a bit??
 
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Too Bad!

The fact you are ok and not seriously scrapped up is indeed fortunate and very lucky. As you implied, your protective clothing paid for itself on this one!

I am not sure if I agree with your assessment that it was CCs that caused the crash. Nearly any MC can do 45-50 so I doubt the CCs were the culprit.

It is difficult to tell from the pic, but your front tire seems pretty worn, and I'll bet you were in a lean on the ramp? Clover leaf? Could it be that MC AND road conditions as well as your speed were the primary factors?

Very glad you are OK and personal injuries seem to be mainly to your ego and pocket book.

MC can be repaired, clothing replaced, and you have learned from this experience and in fact will benefit as a rider from it in the long run.

Ride safe & long,
Colorado Fats
 
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Glad you're OK, but sad to see the bike.

I've had that front end washout happen on a 125 street and trail, and like you said, it happens so fast there's nothing you can do about it, and obviously, the smaller bike was just as likely to go down. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do, hence the need to proper gear.

Hang in there, it happens to everyone sooner or later. Check fuel lines and such to see if something crimped or maybe it even has an emergency shutoff like cars do. Seems to me I heard that some of the new bikes have a tipover switch on them.
 
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Tip over switch

Glad you're OK, but sad to see the bike.

I've had that front end washout happen on a 125 street and trail, and like you said, it happens so fast there's nothing you can do about it, and obviously, the smaller bike was just as likely to go down. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do, hence the need to proper gear.

Hang in there, it happens to everyone sooner or later. Check fuel lines and such to see if something crimped or maybe it even has an emergency shutoff like cars do. Seems to me I heard that some of the new bikes have a tipover switch on them.
Man, a T.O.S. would just about kill MCing, especially on crotch rockets! I mean their whole design is aimed at high speed aggressive leaning into curves.

For myself I like aggressive cornering on my cruiser and a T.O.S sure would reduce my enjoyment of riding. Nothing like losing power in the midst of a hard lean to take the wind out of a guys sail!

Hope what you are saying is not true. Makes some sense on ATVs perhaps, but not two wheelers!


Ride safe & long,
Colorado Fats
 

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+1 for checking for a fuel safety switch (might be inertia activated). ;) I'd be bragging on that gear! Doesn't matter what you ride "road buggers" can wash you out any time - ATGATT! :D Several years ago I saw 5 couples who I know, all on Gold Wings with probably centuries of riding experience, go to the pavement. 4 of the 5 pairs went down. It was a hot afternoon and they were pulling up to a red light - 10 - 15 MPH. We don't know what it was, antifreeze was one suspect - but there was not any liquid on the road - and no marbles. Shuff happens. :eek:

Were your engine cases hurt? Did you have sliders or bars? When you get around to it - body parts are all over the I'net.

Glad you were OK. Just jeans? Wow!
 

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Whats clover leaf and yeah i was leaning not knee dragging but its a loop so yeah.

I had sliders, didnt do much for the fairings but protected the frame well. Frames fine, engine is fine, but about this switch you are talking about it would be internal right?? And yeah Ive already found a full set of plastics on ebay for 600 bucks (not bad if u ask me) and ive also found a nice website full of oem parts so i can get the rear and front sections for a total of about 500 bucks so it should all be ok.

And like I said Ive been around that ramp at 70 b4 without feeling i was pushing my luck at all (all within my comfort zone) but there was a truck ahead of me this time and cars cant get through much faster than 45 so I wasnt rocketing this time otherwise I wouldve had to pass the truck on the ramp but I'm not super crazy like that.

And yeah the front end on my dirtbike always slid around fast hard corners, and Ive always hated that feeling but i didnt feel anything this time it happened too fast. The tires on my bike are stock with 3000 miles on them acording to the grooves they were still fine they probly look worn in the pic from bouncing around in the dirt.
 
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Not sure but some bikes stock tires are supposededly not that great with grip... I have heard for example that stock Dunlops on Ninja 250's lack grip and when they go... they just GO (like you described)... And I have heard that better tires will slip a little and warn you before totally letting loose, but then again that sounds like more of a rear tire thing...

Still glad to hear you are okay and that the gear did its job!

Atleast it was before you got on the highway, with the increase in traffic and speeds, roar rash could have been the least of your worries :/
 

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Switch information (whether or not it has one; and where, etc) should be in owner manual.
 
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Man, a T.O.S. would just about kill MCing, especially on crotch rockets! I mean their whole design is aimed at high speed aggressive leaning into curves.

For myself I like aggressive cornering on my cruiser and a T.O.S sure would reduce my enjoyment of riding. Nothing like losing power in the midst of a hard lean to take the wind out of a guys sail!

Hope what you are saying is not true. Makes some sense on ATVs perhaps, but not two wheelers!


Ride safe & long,
Colorado Fats
Don't forget, the purpose of leaning a bike over at speed is to direct the physical forces to gain the most traction, so centrifugal force would make the switch think the bike was upright. Think of the feather on a roach clip hanging from the rear view mirror of a 1987 IROC Z-28. When you go around a corner, it is on an angle, that angle is what the tipover switch would think was 90% to the ground and therefore, upright.
 

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So a hard lean at slower speed would make the bike possibly think its leaned over too far (just curious dosnt really apply to me)

Um I found the TO sensor (it was just dangling since I removed the broken rear end) but i sat it up right and every other way i could, still no engine start, I checked the fuel lines nothing is torn or pinched so no problem there. As soon as I get a tool to check im gonna check the fuses but I dont see why the would go bad in a crash. If thats not the problem though Im stumped.

I dont know if any one else had any input but, when I turn the key i hear everything wind and beep as normal then when I try to start up the starter turns but no engine start, guage tells me its the Fuel Injection and on the gixxer forum I'm told thats normal once the TO sensor is activated. Is it possible the plugs got fouled in the crash? Also the front break line up by the master cylinder is split is there any sensor there (since the thing seems to have more precautionary systems than a nuclear power plant)

And so far the manual has proven worthless unless I want to change the time on the dash, or to make sure the slack in my chain is proper if you get my drift.
 
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So a hard lean at slower speed would make the bike possibly think its leaned over too far (just curious dosnt really apply to me)

Um I found the TO sensor (it was just dangling since I removed the broken rear end) but i sat it up right and every other way i could, still no engine start, I checked the fuel lines nothing is torn or pinched so no problem there. As soon as I get a tool to check im gonna check the fuses but I dont see why the would go bad in a crash. If thats not the problem though Im stumped.

I dont know if any one else had any input but, when I turn the key i hear everything wind and beep as normal then when I try to start up the starter turns but no engine start, guage tells me its the Fuel Injection and on the gixxer forum I'm told thats normal once the TO sensor is activated. Is it possible the plugs got fouled in the crash? Also the front break line up by the master cylinder is split is there any sensor there (since the thing seems to have more precautionary systems than a nuclear power plant)

And so far the manual has proven worthless unless I want to change the time on the dash, or to make sure the slack in my chain is proper if you get my drift.
A hard lean at slower speeds would result in a fall, you lean the bike the appropriate amount for the speed you're going and the sensor reads that.

As for resetting it, if it's like a fuel injection shutoff in a car, it has to be reset somehow, just putting it upright may not work, but I've never dealt with one, so you should check with those in the know.
 

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Bank Angle Sensor

Glad you're OK, but sad to see the bike.

I've had that front end washout happen on a 125 street and trail, and like you said, it happens so fast there's nothing you can do about it, and obviously, the smaller bike was just as likely to go down. Sometimes there's just nothing you can do, hence the need to proper gear.

Hang in there, it happens to everyone sooner or later. Check fuel lines and such to see if something crimped or maybe it even has an emergency shutoff like cars do. Seems to me I heard that some of the new bikes have a tipover switch on them.
The manual would spell it out but I think your right,most bikes since 2000 do have bank angle sensors. My 01 Sportster is set at 55 degrees and the Ultra has one too. Even on this bike at some point it should kill the engine.
 

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i figured it out I had to self rig the bike into dealership mode to get the code telling me exactly what was wrong, which was the TO sensor exactly what i suspected but it turns out i could only reset it once i was in dealership mode (which is retarded if u ask me)

heres a pic of what i had to do to get it in dealership mode (i dont suggest anyone else try this on their own bike bc its probly possible to get shocked who knows)



then once it was in dealership mode and the code informing me the TO sensor was the problem appeard all i had to do was turn it off then back on and the code C00 appeared letting me know everything was ok tried to start it a walah fired right up (I love the internet you can basicly figure anything out with a little digging)
 

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Don't forget, the purpose of leaning a bike over at speed is to direct the physical forces to gain the most traction, so centrifugal force would make the switch think the bike was upright. Think of the feather on a roach clip hanging from the rear view mirror of a 1987 IROC Z-28. When you go around a corner, it is on an angle, that angle is what the tipover switch would think was 90% to the ground and therefore, upright.
10 points to Uesque! LMNFAO! Roachclip on mirror!

OK guys, its bad enough if you wreck on a gravity feed/carb bike and have a fuel leak. If you are able to you can shut it off at the pet****. If you're knocked out like a fish - you could have trouble - barbequed fish. A fuel injected bike has a fuel pump - gravity can't spray the fuel through the injector. If you go down and break a fuel line with the pump running....toast!
 
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