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I wonder what Judge Judy or Judge Wapner would say?

They might say, "If it is part of a pre-ride to check oil, then this would NOT have happened if you checked it before riding it when you left the shop. Even though they were paid to do a 'full inspection' if you were going to ride the bike from the shop, you should have checked the oil. The judge would probably say, "The whole story about the gasket being bad or 'was new ' seems murky, then it seems it was an exhaust gasket. It almost seems like there was oil in the engine and got blown out through a bad gasket and then the 'so called shop did not bother checking it, also for them to say,"No bike shop in the world will ever check oil or fuel or any other fluids" That seems pretty strange to me and THAT right there tells me, "The shop is SO NOT worth going back to with that attitude."

Maybe it is sadly 'The perfect storm for losing a bike, too many things culminated at a point of time, low oil in the crank case, a bad gasket, a louzy attitude towards inspections and checking fluids, things said. ' It might just be a case of the BIG 'IF" if you always checked the oil before starting the bike. I remember trying to get out of trouble with Dad ( a lot of my younger years ) something was to have been done, 'But Dad, if. . . Dad said, "Yeah an if the dog didn't stop to take a ****, he would o' caught the freaking rabbit."

Things have happened earlier in my life an it really got me mad an yeah I tried to place blame elsewhere, but I was 16 and I did know better, just too damn lazy at THAT time to do what I should have and at the time NEVER would have admitted it, sooner or later though, I knew I 'EFFED UP' and had to grow up and start to accept responsibility. BUT by doing that and being able to say, "I know there was the proper amount of oil in the engine, every time I started it,
well that changes things a little bit anyways, and since the shop did NO work and you checked the oil before you left the shop and there was the right amount of it as shown on the dipstick, then maybe you could go after the previous owner, some states have a so-called lemon law.

well i have a big thing that will turn this into my favor even more

I called the shop they said it ran good because they test drove it around the property and stuff

so that means they did not check the oil before test riding it
which means they didnt do the pre check either
which means i am going to win this if i fight it because IF THEY checked it pre check up then then would have seen the oil and said something but because they didnt check it either then they rode it with no oil
 

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Hello James,

I could be wrong but You did ride the bike to the shop. . .right? IF SO, I bet they will say,"He road the bike to the shop, so we had to figure he checked the oil before he left his house." They probably just ran it around the parking lot then brought in in and inspected it. What was the story with the gasket? Did the engine show signs of leaking oil?

Now, It is still a shaky deal and I think it depends on what you told them and what they put on the 'work order' Even if you told them, don't start and run/ride it, that would have seemed strange, how in hell are they gonna be able to inspect it?

I think the end game is this, "You rode it from the shop back to your house' and maybe a bit more, 20 to 50 miles? did they write the miles down on the work order? I think that regardless of what was checked or not checked, you rode it home and a week later it is seized up, you did not hear the engine 'knocking on heavens door? as it was?

James, you are the ONLY one who knows whether the oil was ever PROPERLY checked before the bike was started when you left the shop, and even though they said no bike shop in the world will/would ever check fluids, it is your bike. . .
 

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Damn, this story is a 'pigs breakfast' all over the place. James, why on God's green earth did you buy a bike at mid night May 28th? James, How did you get the bike to the shop? Did you ride it there? I don't understand a shop saying, "No bike shop is ever going to check a bikes fluids." That makes no sense at all.

Just out of curiosity, did you go to the shop wearing shorts and sandals? You should not have to be told by the guys at the shop to check engine fluids!

I don't think you know anywhere as much about bikes as you say or would like to think, I can't see a bike doing five miles with very low oil and quite frankly, I say Critter is right. Oh it is time for a cold beer.
 

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Hello James,

I could be wrong but You did ride the bike to the shop. . .right? IF SO, I bet they will say,"He road the bike to the shop, so we had to figure he checked the oil before he left his house." They probably just ran it around the parking lot then brought in in and inspected it. What was the story with the gasket? Did the engine show signs of leaking oil?

Now, It is still a shaky deal and I think it depends on what you told them and what they put on the 'work order' Even if you told them, don't start and run/ride it, that would have seemed strange, how in hell are they gonna be able to inspect it?

I think the end game is this, "You rode it from the shop back to your house' and maybe a bit more, 20 to 50 miles? did they write the miles down on the work order? I think that regardless of what was checked or not checked, you rode it home and a week later it is seized up, you did not hear the engine 'knocking on heavens door? as it was?

James, you are the ONLY one who knows whether the oil was ever PROPERLY checked before the bike was started when you left the shop, and even though they said no bike shop in the world will/would ever check fluids, it is your bike. . .
Damn, this story is a 'pigs breakfast' all over the place. James, why on God's green earth did you buy a bike at mid night May 28th? James, How did you get the bike to the shop? Did you ride it there? I don't understand a shop saying, "No bike shop is ever going to check a bikes fluids." That makes no sense at all.

Just out of curiosity, did you go to the shop wearing shorts and sandals? You should not have to be told by the guys at the shop to check engine fluids!

I don't think you know anywhere as much about bikes as you say or would like to think, I can't see a bike doing five miles with very low oil and quite frankly, I say Critter is right. Oh it is time for a cold beer.


The shop said no bike shops check a bikes fluid
I trailer it to the shop
The reporg says inspection
I rode it leaving shop
Pants n sandals
They said exhaust gasket replace and i did
Engine showed no signs of leaking oil
Bike still does not leak oil
I didnt hear rattling till i tried to start it
 

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I don't know what Pete Seeger and Peter, Paul an Mary will think of this twisted rendition of 'Where have all the flowers gone?"

Where has the crank case oil gone? long time passing.
Oh where has that oil gone? I just don't know
Where has that oil gone? through a screw-up, that's my own!

Oh when will he ever learn? Oh when will he ever learn?

James, if you ever do get around to riding and hopefully you will, as bad a screw-up it is, it could be worse if you don't learn from it. Also don't wear sandals if you are riding, it looks ridiculous and you could lose a foot.
 

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I don't know what Pete Seeger and Peter, Paul an Mary will think of this twisted rendition of 'Where have all the flowers gone?"

Where has the crank case oil gone? long time passing.
Oh where has that oil gone? I just don't know
Where has that oil gone? through a screw-up, that's my own!

Oh when will James ever learn? Oh when will James ever learn?

James, if you ever do get around to riding and hopefully you will, as bad a screw-up it is, it could be worse if you don't learn from it. Also don't wear sandals, if you are riding, it looks ridiculous and you could lose a foot.
Im not now i got boots

I hope i can ride again
 

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James, I want to apologize for making the end so personal, I went back to try and change it a bit but lost the edit button, anyway I hope things work out, maybe you can find another engine somewhere. I do hope so, biking is great.
 

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At this point is it safe to assume you have check all the fluids.?
Just to be on the safe side you better check the blinker fluid as well this is usually low so you may want to stop at the auto parts store and pick some up.
I hope this all works out
 

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I may be getting two different people confused here. Is this the guy that doesn't know how to use a file? And is this that same bike where some door won't lock? Or is this a different guy and different bike? I'm a little confused.
 

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And looking for a camera to record his exploits. I wonder if he even knows where or how to check his oil?
 

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Well Critter, if is is smart, he will know "He dropped the ball." What happened at the shop really doesn't matter, does it? He drove it from there and she seized up, to me, had he checked the oil and not depend on them having done it, he'd still have a bike that runs. As our country's first electrician, Ben Franklin said, "Lessons hardest bought are the lessons best taught." or 'Once burned, best learned.' Well I hope he gets a bike, knows how to do a proper pre-ride and gets to enjoy motorcycling.
 

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well i found out the shop took my bike out for a test drive around 2miles to see if any other issues were going on when i brought for the inspection

and they didnt check the oil so these repairs are solely on them

and yes i know where to check the oil but no matter what happens
they broke the engine there at fault
 

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I am not a lawyer, but I did score 94 on a contract law class.
You may have a case, but I fear it is a case of Caveat Emptor with your corpus delicti.
Check if your state has a small claims court. It will be too costly otherwise. A good rule to follow. If you think you are 100% in the right, your chances are 50 / 50. If you think you are 100% in the wrong, your chances are 50 / 50. You have know idea what the other side will present as evidence against you.

One of the good things about some old Commie countries, such as Yugoslavia, is you could take your case to the local judge, and have it heard in short order. You would need to study Roman Law tho, and not chat with anyone with a Casca name.

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Checking the oil level is on you. Even if you drove it straight out of the shop and straight home and checked it to find no oil it would be a battle to get restitution, it sucks, but is reality of the situation. You can try to sue, they might settle if your lucky. I had a similar situation at a Grease Monkey in Colorado on a transmission flush and that advice is exactly what he told me. (An attorney)

You see when you sue or demand a repair of neglect or mechanically failure due to a mechanics error their insurance company takes over and it is up to them, not the service or shop, usually. Good luck with you venture.
 

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Well James, It did not dawn on you to check mileage and write it down when you left the bike at the shop? You say,"They rode it around the parking lot? See if you knew the actual miles before you left the bike with them, then you would know they rode it around and you would not have to make it up later that they rode it around town. As I said in a previous post, I don't think it matters what happened at the shop, you did not check the oil before you left the shop, you say

" But I left the shop in front of them and they said everything was checked." So the guys watched you leave the shop? So what? James, If you were really with it you'd have checked the oil and would not be having this problem. You never heard the engine knocking? You might be better off forgetting about motorcycling for a while, you see James, Motorcycling is for riders who DON'T take chances with their bikes, so far as oil and other fluids and maintenance in general, riders who are MATURE and RESPONSIBLE and ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY, don't have your problems because they KNOW it is THEIR ride and they MAKE SURE they have CHECKED fluids before they start a bike as well AS doing A PROPER PRE-RIDE. I don't see you as being a 'Road Captain'
 
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