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My bike was at a inspection repair shop they inspected it all said all was good but 3 thibgs


A week later and probally 20-50 miles later sounds like a screw bouncing around come to find out the thing had no oil at all and the repair shop said they might have forgotten to check the oil out in the inspection


So my motor might be dead....what should i do
 

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Don't take this the wrong way but how did it not occur to you to check the oil?
Anytime I by something used the first thing I do is change the oil because a seller will always tell you he recently changed it but I never believe them.
I don't think you can hold the shop responsible for not checking the oil if it was running fine when they checked it.
I'm hoping you didn't spend much money on this bike I don't think you have much of a leg to stand on if it is in fact dead.
Maybe you will get lucky and it is not ruined. Have you tried to add oil and turn it over? Is the engine locked up?
 

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1. Before you ride any machine take the time to learn how to operate it. That includes learning how to do the basic pre-ride checks that every rider must learn to do if he hopes to survive.

2. Don't take your bike back to the shop you just mentioned.

3. Don't ride it until you've figured out what's wrong with it.

4. Don't waste time conversing with strangers on the Internet about how you should bring legal action against the shop.
 

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How were you able to ride 20 to 50 miles with no oil in the engine?
Trying to interpret your writing.. you said "repair shop they (that?) inspected it said all was good but 3 thibgs (things?) What were the 3 things?

Best advice from Eye. "Don't waste your time conversing with strangers on the internet." I hope your bank account is flush.
 

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How were you able to ride 20 to 50 miles with no oil in the engine?
Trying to interpret your writing.. you said "repair shop they (that?) inspected it said all was good but 3 thibgs (things?) What were the 3 things?

Best advice from Eye. "Don't waste your time conversing with strangers on the internet." I hope your bank account is flush.
3 things was front tire. Engine gasket. Motor mounts

My bank account is not


And it ran fine no issues just today sounded like a screw banging around inside





As for other issues i didnt check oil cause i didnt ride it at all i took it right to shop day 2 from buying it i am familar with riding bikes and stuff and i paid the shop for a FULL inspection so it should be on them for this


And i talk legal action because the comment of. "Oh i guess we just missed that" cost me a motor possiblly and to replace that is $1300. I am not paying that for a bike i just bought just recentlly or ever for something they dropped ball on
 

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How were you able to ride 20 to 50 miles with no oil in the engine?
Trying to interpret your writing.. you said "repair shop they (that?) inspected it said all was good but 3 thibgs (things?) What were the 3 things?

Best advice from Eye. "Don't waste your time conversing with strangers on the internet." I hope your bank account is flush.
3 things was front tire. Engine gasket. Motor mounts

My bank account is not


And it ran fine no issues just today sounded like a screw banging around inside





As for other issues i didnt check oil cause i didnt ride it at all i took it right to shop day 2 from buying it i am familar with riding bikes and stuff and i paid the shop for a FULL inspection so it should be on them for this


And i talk legal action because the comment of. "Oh i guess we just missed that" cost me a motor possiblly and to replace that is $1300. I am not paying that for a bike i just bought just recentlly or ever for something they dropped ball on

im not riding it yet i am going to wait till a mechanic friend says it should be safe

But i am wanting the shop to fix this......
 

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"A week later and probally 20-50 miles later sounds like a screw bouncing around come to find out the thing had no oil "

"3 things was front tire. Engine gasket. Motor mounts"

How did the bike get 20-50 miles on it with a bad front tire and motor mounts? This may seem like a crazy question but what was wrong with the Engine gasket????? Was it leaking oil????
Did the shop make any of these repairs? If they replace said gasket then you have a case if they simply told you that the gasket was bad and you choose to put 50 miles on it I can take a guess what happened to the oil!
The primary function of this gasket is to keep the oil inside the motor!
I hate to break it to you but no one is going to find in your favor you have a better chance of going after the old owner for selling you a bad bike but I'm sure you bought it as is. This said I would break open the piggy bank and either buy a new bike or make the repairs needed. You may want to look for a new shop to do the work.
Best of luck
 

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"A week later and probally 20-50 miles later sounds like a screw bouncing around come to find out the thing had no oil "

"3 things was front tire. Engine gasket. Motor mounts"

How did the bike get 20-50 miles on it with a bad front tire and motor mounts? This may seem like a crazy question but what was wrong with the Engine gasket????? Was it leaking oil????
Did the shop make any of these repairs? If they replace said gasket then you have a case if they simply told you that the gasket was bad and you choose to put 50 miles on it I can take a guess what happened to the oil!
The primary function of this gasket is to keep the oil inside the motor!
I hate to break it to you but no one is going to find in your favor you have a better chance of going after the old owner for selling you a bad bike but I'm sure you bought it as is. This said I would break open the piggy bank and either buy a new bike or make the repairs needed. You may want to look for a new shop to do the work.
Best of luck
I fixed tire same day i brought it back it was just a loose valve stem. And a friend was buting the motor mounts when he saw i didnt need them or a gasket

No oil leakages
No repairs they wanted $890 for those 3 repairs
Engine gasket they said was bad but it was brand new when bought

The shop still dropped the ball on the oil though badly
Not sure how i managed to get so far on no oil but never rode rough or anything
 

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I fixed tire same day i brought it back it was just a loose valve stem. And a friend was buting the motor mounts when he saw i didnt need them or a gasket

No oil leakages
No repairs they wanted $890 for those 3 repairs
Engine gasket they said was bad but it was brand new when bought

The shop still dropped the ball on the oil though badly
Not sure how i managed to get so far on no oil but never rode rough or anything
Sounds like the shop stopped looking for problems with the bike when they got up to $890 and found out they were not going to do the job.
Could the "brand new gasket" the shop said was bad be a source of an oil leak?
BTW, When all of the oil leaks out of an engine, it stops leaking oil...

No shop could be blamed for what's wrong with a bike they only looked at.
 

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Sounds like the shop stopped looking for problems with the bike when they got up to $890 and found out they were not going to do the job.
Could the "brand new gasket" the shop said was bad be a source of an oil leak?
BTW, When all of the oil leaks out of an engine, it stops leaking oil...

No shop could be blamed for what's wrong with a bike they only looked at.
Exhaust gasket is what i found out i meant sorry

And its not there job to just stop looking for problems when i asked for the full inspection

They even had the nerve to say "No bike shop in the world will ever check oil or fuel or any other fluids"

it makes me more mad when they said a biker should be held responsible for checking his oil even when leaving a shop because its not our fault if we forget to check it or put oil back in thats just the cost of business..


The engine is sized up now so i take it there is 0 hope for it.
 

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Something doesn't add up here!
This shop didn't do any work just look at the bike.
You didn't ask them to change the oil? Not sure why they would have check it?
checking fluids it on the pre ride check list in most owners manuals, I'm not saying the everyone does it but it's there.
How old is said tire that they recommended to replace? An old tire should be replace based on age even if it was not leaking.
What did they clam was wrong with the gasket that they felt it needed to be replaced this is critical! I don't understand why this was on the list unless it was leaking?
It is very hard to ride fifty miles with no oil, not saying it would be impossible frankly I don't know anyone that has tried it!
lastly you say that the gasket was new who changed it? Is it possible they never added oil when they did the work? This may be the person responsible but it still comes back to you for riding without checking the fluids.
As stated above oil stops leaking when it is empty. Have you added oil to the bike since you discovered it was empty? If so does it leak while sitting? It may have only leaked under load which would make sense why it was missed and as you drove it the oil leaked out and then seized.
This is a very unfortunate case but doesn't sound like you have a leg to stand on.

I an employee that just bought an SUV from a friend the car was well maintained and clean, after he bought the car he brought it to my mechanic to check it out. The mechanic told him he needed bearing and tires my employee said he would make an appointment to bring it in next week for service. A few days later the transmission died. The shop didn't check the transmission it drove fine into the shop should they be responsible for the transmission? After all they were asked to go over the entire car and let him know of any problems. They did tell he there was new fluid in the transmission so it was likely serviced recently but the car only drove maybe 200 miles after this inspection before it died. How did they miss this?
This is a true story I just found out about this yesterday while my employee is upset about this he is not blaming anyone he brought it to a transmission shop and was told it is a bad speed sensor should be between $800 = $1000 to fix if no other problems are found once trans is opened.
There is always a risk when buying a used vehicle! This is one of the reason the first this I always do is change the oil and filter it is a cheap easy thing to do to help prevent issues I also like to check the oil before I buy anything it is a good tell tale sign as to how well it was maintain be the owner.

best of luck I how you fond a reasonable solution but I don't believe the shop is going to reach into their pocket to help maybe they would give you a discount if you use them to fix it but I'm not sure I would trust them to do the work!
 

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Something doesn't add up here!
This shop didn't do any work just look at the bike.
You didn't ask them to change the oil? Not sure why they would have check it?
checking fluids it on the pre ride check list in most owners manuals, I'm not saying the everyone does it but it's there.
How old is said tire that they recommended to replace? An old tire should be replace based on age even if it was not leaking.
What did they clam was wrong with the gasket that they felt it needed to be replaced this is critical! I don't understand why this was on the list unless it was leaking?
It is very hard to ride fifty miles with no oil, not saying it would be impossible frankly I don't know anyone that has tried it!
lastly you say that the gasket was new who changed it? Is it possible they never added oil when they did the work? This may be the person responsible but it still comes back to you for riding without checking the fluids.
As stated above oil stops leaking when it is empty. Have you added oil to the bike since you discovered it was empty? If so does it leak while sitting? It may have only leaked under load which would make sense why it was missed and as you drove it the oil leaked out and then seized.
This is a very unfortunate case but doesn't sound like you have a leg to stand on.

I an employee that just bought an SUV from a friend the car was well maintained and clean, after he bought the car he brought it to my mechanic to check it out. The mechanic told him he needed bearing and tires my employee said he would make an appointment to bring it in next week for service. A few days later the transmission died. The shop didn't check the transmission it drove fine into the shop should they be responsible for the transmission? After all they were asked to go over the entire car and let him know of any problems. They did tell he there was new fluid in the transmission so it was likely serviced recently but the car only drove maybe 200 miles after this inspection before it died. How did they miss this?
This is a true story I just found out about this yesterday while my employee is upset about this he is not blaming anyone he brought it to a transmission shop and was told it is a bad speed sensor should be between $800 = $1000 to fix if no other problems are found once trans is opened.
There is always a risk when buying a used vehicle! This is one of the reason the first this I always do is change the oil and filter it is a cheap easy thing to do to help prevent issues I also like to check the oil before I buy anything it is a good tell tale sign as to how well it was maintain be the owner.

best of luck I how you fond a reasonable solution but I don't believe the shop is going to reach into their pocket to help maybe they would give you a discount if you use them to fix it but I'm not sure I would trust them to do the work!

On this bike no they just looked at the bike for the full inspection
I asked for a full inspection thinking it means oil since they did bote the gas tank is good condition no leaking gas
I know i should check but were talking same day breaking since inspection here preety much

The tire didnt even need to be replaced it was a valve stem and when i said it was a tubeless tire they said they never heard of it but was glad to know it wasnt that bad

The exhaust gasket claimed it was leaking but the friend who looked at exhaust gasket who has since replaced it said he wasnt sure why im replacing it since barely any damage to it.

I managed 50 miles somehow cause i cant see how any other way

It was changed since we now added oil n let it sit (no oil leaks)
It hasnt leaked oil at all since we added it

I just dont feel i should need to come out of pocket because 2 of the 3 repairs were wrong that was listed but never checked the oil because i rode it off from there shop n did my riding around for work n it siezed up same day

The shop didnt tell me dont forget riding check up
They said dont wear sandals n ride
This is on them i feel they cant check oil on 1 bike and not the other and claim "its good will gesture" and then charge me for it
 

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Your story is all over the place. You claim they inspected it but didn't do any work. You also state in one post that they should have put the oil back in it.

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it makes me more mad when they said a biker should be held responsible for checking his oil even when leaving a shop because its not our fault if we forget to check it or put oil back in thats just the cost of business..
WHY did they take the oil out? or what makes you think they did? Something doesn't add up here.
 

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Your story is all over the place. You claim they inspected it but didn't do any work. You also state in one post that they should have put the oil back in it.



WHY did they take the oil out? or what makes you think they did? Something doesn't add up here.
No i said this whole time JUST A FULL INSPECTION

Never did i ask them to do repairs or work on it

Thats what they told me but they said they never looked at the oil at all


But they said if we are paid for an oil change and we forget to put oil in then its not our fault you are suppose to check thst out before you leave
 

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No i said this whole time JUST A FULL INSPECTION

Never did i ask them to do repairs or work on it

Thats what they told me but they said they never looked at the oil at all


But they said if we are paid for an oil change and we forget to put oil in then its not our fault you are suppose to check thst out before you leave

Well I don't agree with the last statement, but it really has no impact on what happened as they didn't change the oil. Sometimes you just have to learn to accept responsibility for your own mistakes.

Man up, you screwed up and now have to pay the price for your own mistake.
 

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Well I don't agree with the last statement, but it really has no impact on what happened as they didn't change the oil. Sometimes you just have to learn to accept responsibility for your own mistakes.

Man up, you screwed up and now have to pay the price for your own mistake.
how did i screw up i bought it at midnight on the may 29th
I took it to them on may 29th

got it back on the 8th
rode it on the 8th from the shop

checked it out 3 or 4 days ago and it wouldn't start come to find out engine sized

How is this not there fault that they screwed up if i had rode it everyday without checking it out from the time i got it back i can understand
but i left the shop i front of them and they said everything was checked
but they forgot to check oil
its entirely there fault.
 

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I wonder what Judge Judy or Judge Wapner would say?

They might say, "If it is part of a pre-ride to check oil, then this would NOT have happened if you checked it before riding it when you left the shop. Even though they were paid to do a 'full inspection' if you were going to ride the bike from the shop, you should have checked the oil. The judge would probably say, "The whole story about the gasket being bad or 'was new ' seems murky, then it seems it was an exhaust gasket. It almost seems like there was oil in the engine and got blown out through a bad gasket and then the 'so called shop did not bother checking it, also for them to say,"No bike shop in the world will ever check oil or fuel or any other fluids" That seems pretty strange to me and THAT right there tells me, "The shop is SO NOT worth going back to with that attitude."

Maybe it is sadly 'The perfect storm for losing a bike, too many things culminated at a point of time, low oil in the crank case, a bad gasket, a louzy attitude towards inspections and checking fluids, things said. ' It might just be a case of the BIG 'IF" if you always checked the oil before starting the bike. I remember trying to get out of trouble with Dad ( a lot of my younger years ) something was to have been done, 'But Dad, if. . . Dad said, "Yeah an if the dog didn't stop to take a ****, he would o' caught the freaking rabbit."

Things have happened earlier in my life an it really got me mad an yeah I tried to place blame elsewhere, but I was 16 and I did know better, just too damn lazy at THAT time to do what I should have and at the time NEVER would have admitted it, sooner or later though, I knew I 'EFFED UP' and had to grow up and start to accept responsibility. BUT by doing that and being able to say, "I know there was the proper amount of oil in the engine, every time I started it,
well that changes things a little bit anyways, and since the shop did NO work and you checked the oil before you left the shop and there was the right amount of it as shown on the dipstick, then maybe you could go after the previous owner, some states have a so-called lemon law.
 
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