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I appreciate your opinion! I just read something from David Hough the other day where he had a similar disdain for the MSF BRC and that's what spawned my initial question. I'd love to take some private courses as well but need to get my foundation in. Hough even suggests taking a road trip on the bike to take a course, of course this would be once I get through the local MSF ones. I know there are a few courses offered from private schools within a few hours of me and may try one of those, but would definitely like to do a more renowned course down the road.

Hough, in his books has some good stuff that many overlook. The last time I was with him we had a long discussion on small things like reasons why to be so cautious around blind curves. (It's not because you have to watch your speed and control your braking, and such, but because you could have some obstacle you hadn't planned on.) Most MSF courses don't teach a lot of things necessary to know, which I guess is why he doesn't speak so highly (at least to me) of them and doesn't teach for them any more. (Of course he's getting too old now to do a lot of biking anymore.)

It's nice to be able to see and read the ideas of different experienced instuctors as each has points they consider important.


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That's awesome that you've met him! I've secretly been hoping he's somewhere on this forum lol. But yeah that's the jist I've learned from him for blind corners. Maybe there's a crash ahead, vehicle parked, tree, rock, etc on that blind turn. We definitely have quite a few blind turns in my neck of the woods. A lot of the old state routes that weren't engineered are being altered to increase sight distance around corners and increase the radius of the turn. He helped me tremendously in staying proactive through corners and using a higher level of thinking (i.e. picking a line and being conscious of where weight is being distributed, which peg you're pressing on, etc .) And staying out of that fear Zone. One of the first days I was out riding I came into a corner on a downhill too fast for comfort and definitely panicked a bit. I made it through fine but if I had a newer bike with a better front caliper I probably would have lowsided. Luckily my old single rotor/ single piston front brake didn't cause too much of a traction loss and I was able to correct and lean my way through the turn. I've taken that same route a bunch more times now and feel much more comfortable with my approach.

And yeah that's what I gathered his problem was with the BRC. There's no real world experience incorporated into it and you're just doing circles, weaves and stops in a closed off parking lot at speeds no greater than 20-25. Next on my list of reads is Keith Code, I believe, A Twist of the Wrist although it sounds more like a racing centered book. While on the subject does anyone have recommendations for more books to read? I've checked the local library but they don't seem to offer anything and haven't yet checked the university library.

I'm going to look more into the BRC-RR as well. Either way I'm definitely going to be taking a course(s) in the near future.
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