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I found this article interesting on Motorcycle.com. I always enjoy when they compare metric bikes to Harley's. This article pits a Star Raider S against both the Harley Rocker C and Victory Vegas Jackpot.


http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/mainstream-chopper-shootout-69801.html
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I was a little disappointed to see that the Raider was air-cooled and pushrods at first, I didn't realize that the most of their other V-Twins were also. I just figured they left the obsolete technology with HD, and used what they were good at, OHC and liquid cooling, as a competitive advantage.
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I found this article interesting on Motorcycle.com. I always enjoy when they compare metric bikes to Harley's. This article pits a Star Raider S against both the Harley Rocker C and Victory Vegas Jackpot.


http://www.motorcycle.com/shoot-outs/mainstream-chopper-shootout-69801.html
Oddly enough I just read this article yesterday comparing 06 Road King to Royal Star. Harley was best sound, but came in last in every other comparision. This oughta turn your crank (HDers will just be cranky)

www.motorcycle-usa.com/Article_Page.aspx?ArticleID=3729

I found this article while searching for the HP on an 06 Road King.

Ride safe & long,
Colorado Fats
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King Cranky checking in! :D You're misleading the populace, a bit. The RK was also lighter, more compact, had a more comfortable seat, and better fuel economy(surprised me on that one). And most importantly, which you either get or don't, nothing wrong with either position, it had the best personality, which is really what you buy a HD for other than image.

It all goes back to what's important. You buy a metric with your head, you buy an HD with your soul. Or your butt if you're into that whole vibrating thing. I'm the same way with cars, I've driven a few Camrys, and the ride was so bland that it annoyed me. My vehicles have always been a little more raucous, which I enjoy. Heck even the Volvo has a 5 cylinder which is anything but smooth, and sure sounds wild when you kick in the turbo.
I have to weigh back in on this one. Truth be told, I like the looks of the H-D Rocker - it has a unique style. I'm not knocking it in the least. If I had a bunch of extra money to throw around, truth is I'd probably have at least one Harley in the garage myself. I do find it interesting though that a bike can be manufactured for roughly half the price, that in most categories not only looks as nice but also out performs their Harley counterparts. Seems to me that Harley Davidson needs to take a long overdue lesson from their competitors.

Must be something to the Harley mystique though. My father passed away 12 years ago, but he had 3 motorcycles in his life - 2 Harleys and his last bike was a Yamaha. He raved about the performance of the Yamaha, but always continued to make favorable comments when he saw a Harley on the road. Must be something about it that gets in your blood.
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I have to weigh back in on this one. Truth be told, I like the looks of the H-D Rocker - it has a unique style. I'm not knocking it in the least. If I had a bunch of extra money to throw around, truth is I'd probably have at least one Harley in the garage myself. I do find it interesting though that a bike can be manufactured for roughly half the price, that in most categories not only looks as nice but also out performs their Harley counterparts. Seems to me that Harley Davidson needs to take a long overdue lesson from their competitors.

Must be something to the Harley mystique though. My father passed away 12 years ago, but he had 3 motorcycles in his life - 2 Harleys and his last bike was a Yamaha. He raved about the performance of the Yamaha, but always continued to make favorable comments when he saw a Harley on the road. Must be something about it that gets in your blood.
It's all about supply and demand. As long as they sell every bike they can make, there's no incentive to change. I think now that sales are cooling off a little, you'll see more and more improvements. ABS and a six speed are recent examples.

I love mine, I can see getting other bikes, but I'd never sell this one.
Uesque, you have to get into foreign bikes to get modern things like overhead cams! :D I hope you all know I'm joking. That article was so long that I finally gave up reading it as not worth my time. From my own experience in looking for a bike to buy last spring, techojunk didn't mean anything to me at all. (I know it should have!) I was more interested in how the bike looked, how big the engine was, and how comfortable it was to ride. Well, I guess it did, because I wanted fuel injection rather than carbs, and something that would take a beating and keep going. So, I stuck with the only brand I knew, Suzuki. And, I never had one thought in my head that one brand was better or worse than the other. It just didn't enter in. These folks can compare all they wish, but they're wasting their time for an old guy like me who just likes to get on and ride. I'm just happy to have a new motorcycle!
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Uesque, you have to get into foreign bikes to get modern things like overhead cams! :D
Au contraire, mon TFee! The V-Rod and the 1125R are both OHC!

If anything, my brand loyalty goes to Yamaha. I can't see sticking HD emblems all over everything, but I did have a Yamaha sticker on my old Explorer. I still like the FJR1300 and both of the FZ's. That's not to say that I don't like my HD, but I'm not an HD guy. Chaps chafe.
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I think the Raider is one UGLY scoot. The Rocker isn't too far behind.
The Vegas is the only bike in that article I like the looks of. I don't really care how they perform since their looks are a complete turn off to me. I might be able to digest the Rocker if they did something with that passenger seat deal...that thing is fugly. Now with the Raider...sorry, there's no hope. That thing just looks bad all over...kinda generic/cheap looking to me.

The Yamaha/Road King article is waaaaaay too long for a motorcycle comparison of 2 bikes. But, I was actually looking at these two exact bikes when I was in the market for a touring bike earlier this year. The yamaha is a nice scoot. I've got nothing bad to say about it. I went with the Road King though. There was just no comparison. The Road King felt like more of a motorcycle by my definition.

As one of the writers in that Road King/Yamaha comparison wrote: The Yamaha is faster, smoother, more comfortable, more stable and ultimately less enjoyable. It's a different experience on the Road King. "LESS ENJOYABLE" is a great way to describe it. But I understand it's not for everybody.

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I'm kinda in a limbo spot here...I can't sit long on anything that splays my feet way out front, since that puts me back on my broken tailbone. Not a good scene.

That being said, I've always had a soft spot for Honda. Mostly, I can say that Honda brought out the concept of 'every time you hit the starting stud, the engine starts.' Not including wear and age-oriented repairs that had to be made (c'mon! The bikes were over 15 years old when I got 'em), I've had precious little that had to be done to keep the jokers on the road.

Nowadays, though, most marques have about the same reliability...which is NOT to say that the others have become MORE reliable. That kinda tweaks me a bit.:mad:
Good articles and comments.
I wonder why Harleys sell so well in Japan?
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Chevy Astro vans used to be one of the most popular vehicles in Japan, you tell me.
It seems that Harley dealers are working hard over there to do things differently and get them hooked. New clean large show rooms and someone to welcome customers and show them the bikes without pressure to buy.
The Harley mystic, sound and looks is doing the rest to sell bikes two to one over Honda in the above 750cc class.
Chevy Astro Vans??? I wouldn't drive one of those if you paid me. :p
The Harley mystic, sound and looks is doing the rest to sell bikes two to one over Honda in the above 750cc class.
You hit on it right there. Harleys are, in pretty much every country on the planet, a STATUS purchase. They aren't being bought because of high reliability, cutting-edge technology or anything like that. They are the ordinary non-American's way of connecting with the excess and celebrity of America.
Maybe I'm too old to understand the mystique of owning a Harley. It just doesn't make sense to me to pay much more for a lesser bike just to be "one of the boys." And let's face it, folks - that's exactly the reason some of you young guys buy Harleys. If your "soul" is telling you to buy Harley, I think you need a soul adjustment! Souls have nothing to do with purchasing a good vehicle.
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Maybe I'm too old to understand the mystique of owning a Harley. It just doesn't make sense to me to pay much more for a lesser bike just to be "one of the boys." And let's face it, folks - that's exactly the reason some of you young guys buy Harleys. If your "soul" is telling you to buy Harley, I think you need a soul adjustment! Souls have nothing to do with purchasing a good vehicle.

There's no mystique, you just get on it, ride, and it makes you feel good. If it doesn't, then you buy something else. My wife's Shadow is a great bike. I'd never own it myself, I just don't enjoy riding it. What wouldn't make sense would be to buy something you don't like just because it's more fiscally responsible. That would be penny wise and fun foolish.

You'll notice I avoided the stereotyping accountant jokes there. :D
Aw heck, Uesque, whip it on me - I don't mind! :)
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