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There's never a LEO around when you need one, right?

After struggling to try and connect my Sena SMH-10 to my Valentine One radar detector for weeks now I decided to try another path to avoiding tickets in the meantime.

I purchased a wireless system that puts a VISUAL warning of radar right inside my helmet --- a flashing red LED on a bendy wire RIGHT NEXT TO MY EYEBALL.



It looks just like a microphone on a bendy wire, but it's a LED.

When my Valentine One radar detector goes off, this little LED lights up bright. I mean BRIGHT. They even suggest pointing it away at night.

So I'm definitely going to test this thing out before I go out on my bike and risk a ticket....

I happen to be going to town.

In my car.

Now, I felt kinda stupid wearing my motorcycle helmet driving to town, but, what the hey. This way I can see AND hear my Valentine One, AND see if the helmet-up display works.

I head for Ignacio, where the local constabulary almost ALWAYS sits at the entrance to town and the speed limit drops precipitously from 65 to 45 to 35 to 25 over less than 1/2 mile.

He ain't there.

Next I get on the Bayfield Highway, a great road to speed, hoping to see a LEO. Sure enough I do. Coming right at me. I'm doing 63 in a 55, surely enough to at least get his attention.

He doesn't have his radar gun turn on. The V-1 remains silent.

So I finally get closer to Bayfield and my V1 starts screaming and the forward arrow lighting up. I don't see any cops though. No cars at all, in any direction.

Well it turns out they've installed one of those "Your speed is XXX" fixed radars on a stick since the last time I've been up this road.

I had the H.A.R.D LED a little TOO far to the side. If I look now, I can see it is lit up, but it takes intentional effort. I bend it an inch closer and wow, it really IS bright.

So I U-turn a couple of times and come back at the fixed radar, this time with the V-1 volume turned off, and not watching the arrows on its display.

Sure 'nough, the helmet display, properly positioned, gives excellent warning. IMpossible to miss. Perfect for when your attention is NOT on the dashboard, speedometer, radar detector, but looking down the open road.

I play with the controls. When you turn it on, it flashes a code. When you turn the helmet mounted receiver off, it flashes a different code. When the battery is dying, it gives yet another.

Moreover, you can at any time TEST the system with a single, short press of the button on the receiver. If it's on and working, one blink. If you correctly turned it off, no blinks.

Dayum, this is a cool system! Installing it in the helmet took all of 5 minutes, taking out the liner and stuffing the wires in, velcroin'g the receiver to the left side (so you don't have to take hand off the throttle to control).

The transmitter plugs right into your radar detector --- several models are supported, most notably the V1.

I'm still working on getting audio tones into my bluetooth headset, but this visual warning is going to work GREAT until I make that happen, despite all the obstacles SENA keeps putting in my way, additional boxes I gotta buy, essentially turning what was supposed to be a wireless headset into a wired one.

(Although I found a Bluetooth TRANSMITTER I may be able to interface to the V-1, although THAT may eat up my audio channel I wanted to use for music)

I got the H.A.R.D "helmets-up" display system from a guy with a radar/anti-radar business on the web It may be available elsewhere but this guy's a former LEO and takes time to take calls AND answer emails, kind of unusual these days. (Although he's in Sturgis this week --- @ Black Hills H.D. if youer' going that way...)

He sells all sorts of detectors and jammers. (Would I really spend $500 on a laser jammer? Well, what would a ticket at 100 mph cost me...?)

http://www.powersportsus.com/Radar-Detectors-Laser-Jammers-s/2236.htm

I'm helping organize the Kawasaki Concours Owner's Group (COG) rally in Cortez Colorado June 15-19 2015, and we're gonna have a panel on radar, detectors, jammers, etc if you're in the area or interested. Roy will be here too.

For me the whole cat & mouse aspect of speeding, radar & radar detectors is just another fun part of riding.

When I'm actually out riding over the speed limit and cross paths with an actual LEO trying to clock me, I'll update this report on whether the encounter was H.A.R.D or E.A.S.Y
 

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Discussion Starter #2 (Edited)
Head's Up Radar Display

Ok, here's an image taken:

With the camera held INSIDE my helmet
My helmet INSIDE my car
So you're seeing what you'd be seeing through the visor of the helmet;
Showing both the in-helmet LED, and my Valentine One on the dash of the car, and the view out the windshield
The transmitter plugged into the V-1, (but not velcro'd to it, yet...)
With an alert due to the stick-mounted radar up ahead



That's tape along the bottom of my visor...

The pole-mounted radar is barely visible in the bushes up ahead-- four phone poles up, near the bottom of the bug smear on the visor.

And no, I am NOT going to go try and re-take this picture on my Motorsickle, (with the speedo showing triple digits) what, are you trying to kill me? ;)

 

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I have to agree, there is just so much out there to see and enjoy, why fly through it.
 

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...Why fly through it.
No answer I could give could possibly satisfy you nor could it explain the joy I experience hearing a magnificent inline-4 engine revving at 7000-10,000 rpms along an beautiful, but mostly empty, twisty road.

How guys can ride bikes with nothing but gobs of low-end torque which demand to be shifted at 4000rpm-- like diesels --is beyond me.

I got a stiffie the other day just from seeing an R6 tachometer with a 16,000 redline.

I guess at heart I"m a sportbike rider. I love to see what I can wring out of the bike --- and myself, even with my limited riding skills. I can't wait to take several classes and get better.

I just don't feel I deserve a $300+ ticket for enjoying myself and only OCCASIONALLY endangering anyone BUT myself.

Tickets and deer are the only things I'm truly afraid of. That and not TRULY living.
 

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"No answer I could give could possibly satisfy you nor could it explain the joy I experience..."

Trust me, friend, there's no answer you could possibly give that many of us haven't given before as well. :) You're new to this whole motorcycle thing, and you seem to have a good heart, but don't assume that just because you recently discovered this whole new great wonderful world, that those who cruise along and enjoy the ride have any need to have the very many joys of motorcycling explained to them. :biggrin:
 

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How guys can ride bikes with nothing but gobs of low-end torque which demand to be shifted at 4000rpm-- like diesels --is beyond me.
Well that is a good fundamental difference. Sport bikes need to be wound up to high RPM's to hit that sweet spot of power & the bike into it's design element. Something that's usually hard to do except at a track, or under the cover of darkness or on deserted roads all the while X'ing your fingers the Fuzz don't find you :(

Contrary to that, I can enjoy the massive low RPM torque of my 1850cc V-twin pretty much every day :71baldboy:

=> In all honesty every time I see a superbike, it is beyond me to think why that guy bought that bike. A machine built for the track, but is now droning along in rush hour traffic.
 

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Contrary to that, I can enjoy the massive low RPM torque of my 1850cc V-twin pretty much every day
Sure, I can understand that. That's why I sold a mint condition, 1991 turbocharged 4 cylinder MR-2. Nothing off the line. Until I had an empty road and could get it up into the powerband the motor was useless.

Meanwhile my 280ZX with a FI straight six loved to pull away from lights leaving everybody else behind --- except the guy on the big V-twin :)

Different strokes. I own my motorcycle to get it out on empty 2-lanes, not to battle traffic, split lanes, and win stoplight wars. You may commute or ride every day, I take trips, ride out to places where I can ENJOY riding the way I like.
 

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How guys can ride bikes with nothing but gobs of low-end torque which demand to be shifted at 4000rpm-- like diesels --is beyond me.
Someday, you may understand. It isn't what you ride, it's that you do.
 

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Ok, so the HARD went off today for the first time FOR REAL.

Helmet ...something.. Radar Display...

I'm headed into Ignacio, with a downtown speed limit of 25 that's vigorously enforced.

Up ahead nearly 1/2 mile or more out, at the main "T' intersection in town, I spot a white vehicle flipping a bytch. Hmm, I think, COULD be a LEO.

Sure enough, the HARD lights up it's little LED, an inch from my eyeball, the LEO is radiating.

This is one of those places where the limit goes 55, 45, 35, 25 over a half mile. Today I'm not going to try and sneak an extra 5-10 over those limits as I coast downhill into town.

I'm not sure whether I'm more impressed with the Valentine One or the HARD in-helmet display, but without the HARD, it would be awfully hard to SEE the Valentine going off, and near impossible to hear it.

The HARD is superbly engineered. It turns itself off if you forget. You can test to see if it's on with a single press of the button. It flashes 3 times to turn on, 5 times when you turn it off. Transmitter plugs between the V-1 and the power cord, receiver stuck to outside of helmet. Just a bloody brilliant design.

I do under the limit in neighborhoods, I don't bother speeding in city traffic, but out on the open roads where I live, yeah, I do 10-15 over a lot of the time. So do most people who live out here. It's the same speed LEOs do on these empty roads when they think nobody is watching. **

I'm just not willing to pay $300 for the privilege and higher insurance rates for years to follow. I'd rather invest the same $ in electronic defenses...
 

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most of us with twist the throttle at certain times ... on certain roads.
usually in places where the road is open and other traffic is nonexistent.
I'd bet you that most experienced riders here have red-lined their bikes.

but personally, I would never ride with that radar detector.
especially when riding high speeds.
the reason is ... I want 100% focus on what I'm doing.
nothing extra in my eyes or in my ears.

that's just me ... and other folks can be different.
I've got no problems with that.

dT
 

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most of us with twist the throttle at certain times ... on certain roads.
usually in places where the road is open and other traffic is nonexistent.
I'd bet you that most experienced riders here have red-lined their bikes.

but personally, I would never ride with that radar detector.
especially when riding high speeds.
the reason is ... I want 100% focus on what I'm doing.
nothing extra in my eyes or in my ears.

that's just me ... and other folks can be different.
I've got no problems with that.

dT
Yup ...what DT said.
 

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I use to spend a great deal of money on those devices, funny thing is, I was always getting tickets. At 11 pts on my NJ license a job that depended on my having a valid NJ license, I threw them all away and lightened up on the throttle.
Last year I blasted through a 25 mile zone in my Dodge Ram 1500, bright read btw, and got caught was thinking about the work day ahead of me. The officer requested my papers and asked me when the last time I got a ticket was, not being sure I said probably been 10 years. He walked back to his car and I resigned myself to getting a ticket and paying the fine. He comes back to my truck, and says do you know how long it has really been since you received a summons? I shook my head no. He replied 22 years, I think that is pretty damn good and I am not going to break your streak, have a great day and do not let me catch you speeding here again. I thanked him for his kindness as he had me nailed, no contest! I now take a different route to work! Do yourself a favor loose the detector, you will probably live longer, save a boat load of cash that you can be apply towards better "farkles" for your bike, and enjoy the ride more. I definitely enjoy driving/riding more with out it, they give you a false sense of security.
 

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Thanks for the advice, but no thanks. I haven't had a ticket in 15+ years either. Nor an accident. I speed where it's appropriate -- -and fun!

And honestly, I kinda enjoy the game of cat-and-mouse. The radar detector just levels the playing field, that's all.

If I were a LEO and wanted to go after the 911's, Corvettes, and crotch rockets into triple digits the FIRST thing i would do would be to turn OFF all the radar, laser, etc. Start using my brain, my eyeballs and a stopwatch.

But hey, if the goal is revenue generation and not safety, radar guns are a great income booster.

If you were "always getting tickets" it sounds to me like you weren't paying much attention to your driving/riding. Sorry, but that's the cold truth. My radar detector "saves" me from getting pulled over far less than paying attention and looking waaay down the road.
 

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a friendly response.

I just don't feel I deserve a $300+ ticket for enjoying myself and only OCCASIONALLY endangering anyone BUT myself.
If the speed limit is 60, and you do more than that, you deserve a ticket.
That's the law, your choice to break it, you are aware of the consequences.
No issue there, if you got the dime, spend it on what you want. Besides, most cities could use the revenue ..


I would however like to address the second part of that, the endangering anyone but yourself.
I've worked the scene where this just wasnt the case, and have seen so many more....
You slam that sports bike head on, you're hitting their windshild, or at least your bike is, your hurting them. You t-bone, you're going to kill the driver if you hit the door right.
You lose control and slide into someone on the side of the road...

Before you go all out... just remember, I have a wife and two beautiful little boys that travel these roads.

You should look into AMA Pro Sportbike if you're looking for a rush.

Of course, my advice is exactly what you paid for it...
 

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I speed where it's appropriate -- -and fun!
Interesting, a couple of years ago I remember a guy saying the exact same thing. He found that a California Oak tree will take you from 90 to 0 in 0 seconds.

We on the volunteer fire department had to help pick up the body parts.
 

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Around here most cops use either laser radar or "instant on" radar, and radar detectors can't detect those..
Sure they can. You pick up their signal when they clock the car 1/4 mile ahead of you.

No matter how fast you ride/drive, there's always SOMEONE who wants to go faster. You simply let him around and loosely "tail" him out on those big wide opens. And keep an eye on the "back door."

Didn't you learn ANYTHING from "Smokey and the Bandit?" ;)
 

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Thanks for the advice, but no thanks. I haven't had a ticket in 15+ years either. Nor an accident. I speed where it's appropriate -- -and fun!

And honestly, I kinda enjoy the game of cat-and-mouse. The radar detector just levels the playing field, that's all.

If I were a LEO and wanted to go after the 911's, Corvettes, and crotch rockets into triple digits the FIRST thing i would do would be to turn OFF all the radar, laser, etc. Start using my brain, my eyeballs and a stopwatch.

But hey, if the goal is revenue generation and not safety, radar guns are a great income booster.

If you were "always getting tickets" it sounds to me like you weren't paying much attention to your driving/riding. Sorry, but that's the cold truth. My radar detector "saves" me from getting pulled over far less than paying attention and looking waaay down the road.
I had the best at the time, Escort, Passport and something from Bell, they were great in the day. But I got caught with the instant on every time that is why I gave them up. That is the cold truth! Some of the state troopers are really good at it, and if they have an airplane above you.....Screwed!
I paid attention to my riding / driving, I must have been driving much faster than you! In all seriousness, I really dont think they are worth the purchase and give many a false sense of security to ride above their ability. If I were that into speed, I would spend that same money on a track day, far greater safety, coaching and no fear of getting arrested. Looks like a better investment all around.
 
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