I guess I don't fully understand how someone can hate cars with a passion. I mean, yeah they present most of the dangers to people on bikes, but I sure like my car when it's 10 degrees outside, or raining really hard, or hailing, or if I have to look nice in a suit and might have product in my hair, which is hard to do on a bike when you want to live by ATGATT......fact is i dont want a car,I hate them with a passion....