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Preliminary estimates from the National Safety Council (NSC) indicate motor vehicle deaths were 8 percent higher in 2015 than they were in 2014 – the largest year-over-year percent increase in 50 years.


The group estimates 38,300 people were killed on U.S. roads, and 4.4 million were seriously injured.

Meanwhile Congress worries about "terrorism." What did we have, a whopping 14 killed but a couple of Muslim nuts out in California?

38,300 versus 14.

>A survey released by AT&T in May showed that roughly 70 percent of respondents use their smartphones while driving.

Texting was most common, with 61 percent saying they’ve read, sent or replied to texts while driving, but respondents also indicated they use email, Facebook, Twitter, Snapchat and Instagram while driving and even conduct video chats, shoot videos and snap selfies behind the wheel.

The NSC estimates that texting while driving raises the likelihood of a crash by eight times, and that crashes involving texting or talking on a cellphone (hands-free or handheld) account for 27 percent of all accidents.
 

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Meanwhile Congress worries about "terrorism." What did we have, a whopping 14 killed but a couple of Muslim nuts out in California?

38,300 versus 14.

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This is just a bad analogy no matter how you look at it Wade.

As for statistics

They’ll also have dropped by more than 40 percent since hitting a peak of 54,589 in 1972. As recently as 1978 more than 50,000 Americans were killed each year in highway crashes. The figure dropped below 40,000 in 2008 – for only the second time -- dipping to 37,423.

To compare terrorism to car wrecks, lightening strikes, shark attacks is just redirection. Per car wreck how many people die? Per terrorist attack how many people die? If you choose to stop all terrorist attacks world wide OR al fatal car accidents, which would you choose.

Oh, and it's better to get a handle on a problem before it gets big rather than wait until it is insurmountable.
 

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I think Wade's analogy is bang on.

People get all heated up over here about terrorists when they are a blip on the scale. I am not saying their deaths are not tragic but step away from the pic a bit and look at it objectively. There are probably more innocent people killed yearly as a result of the Russian mob than by terrorists.

Heart disease is tragic, cancer is tragic, meaningless accidents cause by idiots not paying attention is beyond tragic.
 

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In 2014 there were abut 32,500 innocent people murdered by terrorists world wide. Roughly half of those were by ISIS and Boko Haram. That's a pretty sizable blip.
 

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It's time to require strict background checks for driving cars, as well as much more expensive licensing and training. Also a common-sense ban of anything that can exceed 20 MPH would save lives.
 

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A common sense ban on Terrorist would also be great, foreign and especially domestic. Brain dead college students come to mind.

A ban on drugs (Mary Jane too) and alcohol and any electronics device that isn't built into a vehicle should be somehow deactivated.

Ban those that cannot see well or are to old to drive safely.

Sam:biggrin:
 

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So what I interpret Wades post to say is, We shouldn't worry about trying to stop those who commit deliberate acts of violence in the name of religious ideology, until the death count rises closer to the number of people killed in automobile accidents?

In my opinion, if we don't curb the rise in violent Islamic terrorism we will eventually see the death toll rise much closer to mva death numbers. There is no group out there trying to increase the number of deaths due to motor vehicle accidents. The same cannot be said when it comes to Islamic extremist violence. They would be more than happy to see a US death rate of 300+ million per year accredited to terrorism. And are striving to accomplish exactly that.
 

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Take all the electronic toys out of cars and ban their use while driving. Make it a first offense license suspension for a minimum of 5 years, whether there is an accident or not. Second offense is a lifetime of no driving. No radio, no GPS, and no phones, driving is a full time job when you are behind the wheel.

And for goodness sakes, lets get rid of the terrorists. They are not needed in this country, and we don't want them. Even if that means banning a religion of peace, especially since it's not a religion anyway.
 

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Wade is just showing he hasn't dropped his socialist thinking, in fact he doubles down on it every chance he gets. Absolutely meaningless drivel. Wade does serve a purpose, we need him to remind us of the utter failure of his much loved socialism. Like the pigs in Orwell's Animal Farm, socialist believe that all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.

For Wade, promoting socialism is his overriding concern, so process, rules and regulations mean different things for different people. Easy to see today as those with money are always treated differently than the hoi polloi.

Fidel Castro may have been the leader of a Communist revolution against the evil rich, sound familiar, but he has a net worth today of around $900 million dollars. And we watch mystified how our members of Congress seem to always leave office, after milking the system dry, with millions in their bank account, when they took office as a mere pauper. Apparently we are not devoid of our own form of socialism/communism after all.

I think wade would be happier if we all tasted the fruit of government mandated Soylent Green.
 

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I think Wade's analogy is bang on.

People get all heated up over here about terrorists when they are a blip on the scale. I am not saying their deaths are not tragic but step away from the pic a bit and look at it objectively. There are probably more innocent people killed yearly as a result of the Russian mob than by terrorists.

Heart disease is tragic, cancer is tragic, meaningless accidents cause by idiots not paying attention is beyond tragic.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, we Americans are more of a threat to ourselves, than ISIS could ever hope to be. I mean, if those guys really want us all dead, they need only sit back and watch us drive.

Between drunk / high drivers, cell-phone addicts, the ladies that steer with their knees while they use their rearview as a vanity to apply makeup at 45mph, "Fast and Furious" wannabes, and people who just think they don't need to actually LEARN how to drive....we're basically suicidal...
 

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Take all the electronic toys out of cars and ban their use while driving. Make it a first offense license suspension for a minimum of 5 years, whether there is an accident or not. Second offense is a lifetime of no driving. No radio, no GPS, and no phones, driving is a full time job when you are behind the wheel.
I can support most of that, but GPS is typically not problematic. Most of them have vocal turn by turns, which do not distract the driver any more than a casual conversation between passengers. You might have to glance at it once in a while, but you also have to glance at your gauges, too. And for about the same amount of time. So as long as you're not being dumb about it, GPS gets a pass, for me.

And for goodness sakes, lets get rid of the terrorists.
If only it were that easy...

They are not needed in this country, and we don't want them.
Thank you, Captain Obvious?

Even if that means banning a religion of peace, especially since it's not a religion anyway.
Yeah, we've heard this talk before. In the 1940s. It saw 110,000 Japanese Americans taken from their homes at gunpoint, stripped of their GUARANTEED basic human rights granted by our prestigious US Constitution, and thrust into horridly conditioned "internment camps". All out of blind paranoia, and the idea that "We don't know who is with us, and who is against us. So take them all, to be sure!"

Funny enough...we don't remember this as a "high point" in our history. And for good reasons.

Bottom line: Islam is a religion. The First Amendment to the United States Constitution PROTECTS human beings from religious persecution. You are promoting a DIRECT violation of that basic human right, in exactly the same way as any politician who dare suggest "maybe we should get rid of guns" violates the 2nd. Funny enough, you use the very same logic to promote it that they do. "They're dangerous, and we don't know who's good and bad, and that makes me nervous!"

TL;DR version: You can't ban Muslims in the US, for the same reason you can't ban guns. Get over it.

And what you say means nothing to anyone but yourself.
The same could be said for you as well. Honestly, it could be said for any and all of us, actually.

But, just the same, your crass attempt to dodge a reasonable point you don't want to confront, is noted.
 

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Yeah, we've heard this talk before. In the 1940s. It saw 110,000 Japanese Americans taken from their homes at gunpoint, stripped of their GUARANTEED basic human rights granted by our prestigious US Constitution, and thrust into horridly conditioned "internment camps". All out of blind paranoia, and the idea that "We don't know who is with us, and who is against us. So take them all, to be sure!"
Learn from history. This is where leftism always ends up, sooner or later, without fail.

Bonus question: Which president, known as a Progressive hero to this day, oversaw this?
 

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It's too bad this thread was derailed by the OP's unhinged, amoral equating of mass murder to the tragic but rare danger of highly beneficial transportation technology. Because the NSC's scaremongering needs to be seen for what it is.

Preliminary estimates from the National Safety Council (NSC) indicate motor vehicle deaths were 8 percent higher in 2015 than they were in 2014 – the largest year-over-year percent increase in 50 years.
From 2007 to 2009, US road deaths fell by 22%--the sharpest drop in the 40 years US DOT has been publishing data. Was that due to sudden embrace of better driving habits? Well, no. It was due to the Great Recession. Less cash jingling around in our pockets means less driving. Traffic deaths remained low through 2014, but then the economy began to pick up and gas prices dropped. According to NHTSA (PDF), the fatality rate per hundred million vehicle-miles traveled jumped 5% in the first 9 months of 2015 compared to 2014 (which was the all-time low). But it is still below the 2012 rate and far below pre-recession rates.

US roads have been getting safer and safer for many years. If it weren't for the occasional uptick, the National Safety Council's business model of scaring the crap out of people for charitable donations would fail utterly.
 

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Here we go again:smiley_mornincoffee:smiley_mornincoffee:smiley_mornincoffee:smiley_mornincoffee:smiley_mornincoffee

Sam;)
 

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Sheesh, 4.4 MILLION Americans SERIOUSLY injured in auto/mc accidents last year and you guys want to worry about Muslims?

And go on rants and raves about Wade and his liberalism???

The terrorists only killed 2977 Americans on 9-11!

We are losing 10 times that many EVERY YEAR on the highways, at least 1/4 of those because of cellphones and alcohol!

It's clear that DISTRACTED DRIVING is a far greater danger to Americans than all the Mooslims in Mooslimville!

(Nevermind that WE are the ones that went over there and stirred up the hornet's nest... invading Iraq, when 15 of the 17 hijackers were Saudi citizens... something even DONALD T-rump! acknowledges!
 

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It's clear that DISTRACTED DRIVING is a far greater danger to Americans than all the Mooslims in Mooslimville!
Statistically speaking you are correct, but that doesn't mean one problem should be ignored because of the other. To ignore the very real threat of people that are actively trying to kill you because your neighbor might run you over would be stupid.

So, how distracting is that radar detector you have built in to your helmet which allows you to drive faster then the posted safe speed limit and not get caught?:biggrin:
 
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