i have a telescoping magnet, the magnets just too big to fit down there and i need to bend corners. and yes the cam chain is in the middle of the engine. i couldnt find a flexible magnet at any local store so i ordered 1. just means 3 or more days not riding. :frown: if that doesnt work, then the exhaust is coming off so i can reach a pan without taking the engine out. hopefully. and i guess im lucky but unlucky. the bolt is steel, but its 1 of the oil passage bolts. what difference does brass and steel make? and the engine turns over without any crunching, grinding, or seizing after several turns. so i assume its not in the cylinder or the engine would get stuck just before tdc. which leads me to believe it fell all the way down to the bottom and didnt get stuck in a gear. the bolts about an inch long and a 10mm. would it be possible to access it from the clutch or signal generator?