Ive seen that before, I don't think that the cop meant to hit him, it looks like he was swerving because his brakes locked. That guy got up pretty quick though.

 

depends on the state but in California you can try to sue the cops...its crazy though ****ing cop had no regard for the guys life!

 

Actually, I think it's a case of the guy having no regard for his own life. If it would have been an innocent pedestrian or something bigger like a tractor/trailer he hit, it could have ended a lot worse for him.

 

most don,t!

 

Yah it didnt look like that was intentional. cool action though

 

I couldn't believe that the guy got up that fast, like it was no big deal.

 

He was probly high or something.

 

If u watch closely it looks like both the bike and the cop car were already hard on the brakes by the time they hit. It doesnt look like they were going very fast when they actually hit, also judging by the fact that the rider didnt fly very far

 

I'm thinking the cop blocked his way expecting him to stop. He should have stopped.

 

The way I see it, the guy should have stopped. If he had done so, he wouldn't have crashed in the first place. I don't think that it's the cop's fault.

 

Dang... I seriously doubt (or could be wrong?) there's few in here that have had as many 'encounters' (differences of opinion?) as I've had with Police Officers (mainly due to Motorcycles but a few other things… )? But in reflection whether I like it or not (I don’t…) most likely 99.99% of the Cites I received were following the Letter of the Law – like it or lump it on the books. The bottom line IS follow the rules OR pay the price – if you choose the latter – don’t whine! True of a lot of things really… NO, I won’t bore you with the list (hurrah! ). In any rate, the punk RAN and LOST – end of story far as I’m concerned – Cops 1, Crim 0. Say NO more…

LRG

Footnote: Main thing is try not to hold a grudge (good advice - now just need to follow it! ). Some of my best past buddies (use to go camping and to M/C runs with) were a bunch of Cops! Heh-heh, they were seriously cool....

 

WOW....sure looks a bit extreme to me. The rider didn't seem too badly hurt and more dazed than anything else. I wonder what he had done.

 

Ha, that's f*cked up

 

It all boils down to how we bikers need to make a positive impact on the image of motorcycling on the general public as well as the cops. With a better image then maybe we will be treated better by all. Then maybe not. A lot of damage has already been done.

 

To each is to their own... opinions are opinions, and not 1 single opinion is ever the end-all-say-all of things....

With that said, i guess its my turn: (shades make it easier for me to talk... makes me avoid the eye contact )

Crash or no crash, I wouldn't really care what happened to that person evading the police. Just because I ride a motorcycle and the runner was on a motorcycle doesn't mean I should sympathize with him. EVERYONE here on this board that rides a motorcycle realizes the potential hazards and consequences of riding a motorcycle. It is up to him/her to decide how to react to it (ie. flip-flops vs. boots, t-shirt vs. jacket, gloves vs. hamburger, etc).

This rider obviously understood the consequences since he wore a jacket, gloves, helmet, boots, etc. So, why did he decide to run? Makes no sense to me.

So whether it was a car or a motorcycle or somebody just running on foot... they deserve the tackle, the bump, the push, whatever. THERE is NEVER a reason to run from a LEO. I've come to believe that it's already a handful riding a motorcyle; having to watch other drivers, be aware of the riding environment, look for road hazards, etc. Adding a need for a rider to constantly look back or make critical decisions/turns while under INCREASED stress due to the chase is definitely not needed.

The only valid reasons I could ever think of running from a LEO is:

1. I know 100% it's a crooked cop, and I'm not stopping unless I see another hopeful straight cop
2. it's a fake/imposter police, and until I see another matching cruiser/LEO, then I'll quickly lay down and explain later
3. the LEO is shooting at somebody, hopefully not me, and I'm not trying to get a cap busted in my asX

Anyway, that's my 2 pennies. Like or hate it, I mean no offense to you and yours. That's just how I feel. Not being stubborn either... if there are more valid reasons why the rider should have ran and the cop was wrong, I'll definitely listen... that's why we're all here! to discuss

 

Super32: Dang, I was just about ready to violate (gasp?! ) forum rules and just give you a 'thumbs up' only on this post BUT... when you got to the "phoney cop" part, how the (no disrespect intended but..) frack am I or anyone suppose to know a phoney cop from a legit one?! Yikes? I can just see the Judge's (ugh... seen TOO many...) face when I say "gee, but I thought he (or she) was a phoney Cop..."?! You tell me Partner - I'd seriously like to know (I am here to learn! )!

LRG

...Anyway, that's my 2 pennies. Like or hate it, I mean no offense to you and yours. That's just how I feel. Not being stubborn either... if there are more valid reasons why the rider should have ran and the cop was wrong, I'll definitely listen... that's why we're all here! to discuss

 

I have only one thing to say if the rider violated the law
Do the crime do the time.
I get so very sick of all the people around here doing dumb things and getting tasered, shot, beat up,etc by a cop who all the hole tiime was saying over and over and over some thing like drop the gun , drop the knife face down on the ground, and they don't lesson so they get what they have coming and want to sue the cop.
If I was a cop and you broke the law and I asked you repeatedly to do something like drop your gun, My life is very important to me and aparantly there's is not or they would obey. so I don't blame them all the time.
Yes there are times cops get crazy this is very true.
like to shout1 time put the gun down and then shoot the person 10 times befor they can put it down well that is over kill.
But had they not done the crime they would not be shot in the first place.

I'm Just saying.

As to impostors we don't have very many of those around here.
I have only seen 1 time where a woman from here was abducted and raped by a fake cop and he was arrested in a few hours after the crime.

 

I have only one thing to say if the rider violated the law
Do the crime do the time.
I get so very sick of all the people around here doing dumb things and getting tasered, shot, beat up,etc by a cop who all the hole tiime was saying over and over and over some thing like drop the gun , drop the knife face down on the ground, and they don't lesson so they get what they have coming and want to sue the cop.
If I was a cop and you broke the law and I asked you repeatedly to do something like drop your gun, My life is very important to me and aparantly there's is not or they would obey. so I don't blame them all the time.
I'm Just saying.

I agree with you. They run they deserve what they get. for all we know he may have just shot some kid.

 

I have no sympathy for anyone who runs from the police. I've been approached/stopped/pulled over, in vehicle and on foot. I treat them with respect and they return that respect. When they find that I am not in violation (and once when I was in violation) they let me on my way with a "have a nice day".

 

I try not to judge without knowing more of the story. What did the rider do to cause the stop? We see a few minutes of what may have been a very long story.

 

True... but we always look at the darker side of things, right

i think the guy was wearing shorts, and sneakers...(squid.)

oops. missed that one. m'ehh... at least he hand a jacket on... that was a jacket right?

imo the cop used excessive force to stop the rider. he could have killed the guy!

I'm sorry to say, and I feel a bit guilty saying this, but, "Sterilize Stupidity". hehe. I mean, geez, if they wanna be dumb or act illogically when it can be simply resolved by just complying... then society doesn't need them. Now, I've done my stupid things in the past, don't get me wrong . But, if ever anyone (actually, not anyone, just ppl with guns) told me to quit or stop and desist, trust me, I'd be smart enough to stop.
Unless I was incapcitated, which was mentioned as a possibility in the discussion. But, that doesn't excuse it.

there are better/safer ways to stop a bike.

Oh yes! i agree 100%. But then we all wouldn't have this opportunity to review and reflect

PS
Sorry for the overly use of 's. I want to make sure that it's clear I'm not trying to offend anybody, but to hold a good discussion with substance. No yelling or blaming or name-calling or watevers.
Good discussions are great! Too bad I can't do the same in person. All the good words and phrases always comes to me when I leave a face-to-face discussion. Oops, I digress.

 

I watched the video several times and from my perspective, the police car turned into the rider intentionally to stop him. It does look bad on the cops part. They might as well have just shot him and ask questions later, it looked like the same thing when the cop turned into him. Don't know what he was running from. The thrill of the chase I guess. When I was once young and stupid, I myself ran from them on my fast motorcycles, and I guess I was just lucky I wasn't caught.

 

no offense taken super. after all we are sharing opinions. so no one is wrong.

i do agree with the sterilize stupidity... and law enforcement does have a tough, and thankless job to do. i just dont see any reason for a head on collision... unless maybe he was a real danger (meaning armed...)

 

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Occupation Fatalities per 100,000
Timber cutters 117.8
Fishers 71.1
Pilots and navigators 69.8
Structural metal workers 58.2
Drivers-sales workers 37.9
Roofers 37
Electrical power installers 32.5
Farm occupations 28
Construction laborers 27.7
Truck drivers 25
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cops are some where around 14-15

 

And What about pizza delivery guys. They get robbed and sometimes murdered here. Hey Slim; Speaking of young and stupid and running from the cops, The wingman did it on your SLC streets back in the 90's.

 

With out knowing what when down who knows if it was excessive force or not, but it sure did look like it.

Did the guy just shoot some one maybe a police man? washe running from a drug sting? Did he just run a light?

or did he forget to signal? or have a tail light out?

Ya I know most were unlikely but It would depend in my opinion on what he did to have them chasing him in the first place.

To bad for him he was not rich and famous lets say like maybe a famous black boxer who drove for several min with out being stopped by the police they just followed him on the express way and got off scott free with murder . Ok well at least he is now in jail where he belongs if he don't get out of that as well money talks that is for sure.

 

yeah... acquitted of murder in criminal court. found guilty in civil court.. aint america grand?!

 

Man, I just had to select all and delete that post I spent about 20 minutes typing. It seems like situations like this happen all too often.
Bart
RK
I don't blame cops I blame human nature to act first regret it later. Just with law enforcement, its often a high price to pay. Since I work in #9 on Dave's list, I know what danger at work is, but the public is generally not involved when we make our mistakes. Maybe I've just had a lot of bad experiences with the police (don't read into that, I've never been arrested, just all too often disrespected and poorly served by people whose salaries are taken from my paycheck) But, I just don't trust them with my safety.

 

From the looks of the video it doesn't look like he was running away very fast. When the cop turned in front of him, the bike went right down and the rider slid about 20ft. Thats about no more than 30mph. He was wearing a helmet, wearing levi shorts and a windbreaker and tennis shoes. If he was going at chase speed, he would have been killed and the cop car would have recieved extensive damage to the front end. The push bumper didn't even get bent.

 

regardless of any ones opinion about this video (no offense meant to any one here) we have no idea what led up to this, it is taken out of context, there have been (more then enough) times where the police have used excessive force, no one is doubting that, but think about it...when was the last time you heard a news story about a cop letting some one off with just a warning? We only hear about the bad stuff....and usually we don't ever get to hear it all, just what is put out there by either the news stations (what the cops want released) or by someone that knows (or was the person) that was wronged by the cops (and they are just trying to get back at the cops)