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I find myself in CA again for a few weeks, without my motorcycle. I must say that I am impressed with the general skill level of riders here. I am in the congested L.A. community, and the traffic is literally the worst that I have ever experienced, and that is after growing up in NYC and living near Chicago. Yet many riders, including many young women, seem to easily and safely filter between lanes of traffic on the city streets, and lane split on the highways. Overall, I think two wheel riders here are more skilled than those where I live in Illinois, maybe because riding is clearly more challenging in this environment. My hat is off to CA riders!
 
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I had to drive to LA quite a few years ago. I couldn't believe the traffic back then, but each time traffic slowed to a crawl on the interstate, here came the motorcycles filtering up between rows of crawling cars.

Everything in me was saying don't do that, but none of them seemed to have any problems. Yep, they're pretty darn good. :)
 

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Year round riding has major benefits vito.
Yep. Born and raised there. I really didn't think too much about it when riding. It was just something I was used to. Being able to ride year round really helps maintain your skill set. Now, high in the Mountains of Utah, I won't even come near a freeway.
 

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My brother lives and rides in San Diego. He and I were discussing the CA "lane sharing" law. CA is the only state to make it expressly legal to "lane split" or "white line". He said that as the law is written the details, like the 15 mph max. relative velocity, are more of an advisory than a requirement.

He also said that he thinks that there is a downside to the practice. Where previously he felt like he had ownership of his lane, now the car drivers' expectation is that motorcyclists will be flexible, and will move out of the lane as conditions allow. They don't expect the bikes to behave like cars, and one that does may be in greater danger.

Even in Illinois, where it's definitely not legal, bikers will ride the white lines. One thing that can happen, is when pulling out of a lane into the "grey space", you find another bike is rapidly moving into that space from behind. I've seen a very near collision of two bikes in this scenario. Be careful out there!
 

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One thing your brother forgot to mention, Jonnny, is the fact that if there is a 'mishap' while lane splitting, it is the bikers fault. At least that was the law as explained to me years ago by a Cop.
 

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As seen on YouTube, if a rider gets upset with a car it's customary to show that by slapping the mirror off of the car. I wonder how many have broke a hand by doing that. Hopefully that's not the normal every day thing there. Some show riders with big mph's splitting the lanes. You wouldn't get away with that here. I'm sure it's the rare few that get the video attention. Hopefully.
 

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Slapping a mirror off, kicking a door or breaking/cracking a window could get a rider hurt depending on the driver of the car.

I'm not unsympathetic to other riders, but I was just imaging a situation where I did something stupid around a bike like changing a lane and not seeing him in my blind spot.

He/she is okay. I'm sorry, I didn't do it on purpose. In nearly 50 years of riding, it's happened to me, but then he/she rides up beside me and starts kicking/slapping or otherwise trying to damage my vehicle.

Suddenly it's F.U. you S.O.B. and a twist of the steering wheel and suddenly your day/life is over.
You can't always just speed away.

If a semi truck driver does something and you get mad as heck, you don't "attack" the semi truck in your F-150. You lose. Same with cars and motorcycles.
 

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I saw in Texas a few years ago, a man deliberately ran a bike off the road with two teens on it. Too bad for him the bike behind the one he ran off the road had a go-pro. Even got the guy saying he didn't care (about running that bike off the road).

He didn't care, but I think the judge found it significant before sentencing that guy to prison.
 

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I saw in Texas a few years ago, a man deliberately ran a bike off the road with two teens on it. Too bad for him the bike behind the one he ran off the road had a go-pro. Even got the guy saying he didn't care (about running that bike off the road).

He didn't care, but I think the judge found it significant before sentencing that guy to prison.
I believe he got ten years in jail.
Maybe he'll care after sitting in there for a while.
 

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I was born in Calif, lived there for 50 years and from 1981 until 1992, Had my Office in the Financial district of West Los Angeles, which was only 20 miles west of my home in Bellflower, CA. The commute to work took 2 hours average and 2 1/2 to get home, using every way from city streets to Interstates. It is worse now, with traffic at all hours, seemingly everywhere:surprise:

CA drivers and riders are, out of necessity, very talented and good drivers. I bet I didn't see half a dozen wrecks/ fender benders in a years time.:smile_big:

Going into the major cities, it's 80 mph, still almost bumper to bumper, in the rain, talking or sexting on a cell phone, eating a doughnut while drinking a Latte, smoking their ***'s, while putting on their last minute makeup and there still is relative safety in pulling in front of someone, with just a few feet to spare, without even using turn indicators, an option that most of the expensive high end cars don't come equipped with.:grin:

Now my commute to my office is 10 miles away with 9 of those on beautiful rural country roads:grin:

Is it safer to drive in Missouri? Bubba driving his bail spear flat bed pickumup with loose **** like Far wood, Earl containers, old Tar's and the obligatory farm dog just standing in the back, say no it isn't much safer so one must still be vigilant for strolling Beeves, sheep, Chickens and Turkey's, turtles, Squirrels, farm dogs that have survived jumping off of Bubba's smoking diesel 3/4 ton pickup and the ever present piles of grass that is always discharged into the roads, not to mention 20 foot wide and slow farm machinery and impliment's :smile_big:

Oh and Bubba doesn't want to turn on his headlights until it is absolutely DARK, cuz he done wanna waste his headlight Bub's:grin:

Sam:nerd:
 

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Given that choice, I'll take Missouri. The known hazards outweigh the unknown hazards. Besides California is full of nuts. Bubba is still just a good 'ol boy that'll help load and haul your broke down bike to town. :)
 

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Had my Office in the Financial district of West Los Angeles, which was only 20 miles west of my home in Bellflower, CA. The commute to work took 2 hours average and 2 1/2 to get home
I don't know how people put up with that.

Years ago, corporate bigwigs took us out to dinner, guy from the East coast, same story...~2hrs to drive 15 miles...WHAT!?...I thought he was joking...13hrs a day donated to your job?...and guess what this fool did while sitting in traffic...he worked! guy was putting in 75hr weeks for 40hr pay....geesh...no way.

Went to a training center in Chicago...Hotel bus to take us to the facility left at 7:30...class didn't start till 9?...it was about 3 miles and it took an hour to "drive" there..
 

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And this is exactly why the most congested places tend to have the highest percentage of two wheeled transport. A bicycle or a small motorcycle doesn't need to wait in the queue that the 4 wheelers are stuck in. I'm not dealing with really horrible traffic, but for my commute here in Chicago, I can get to work just as quickly on a bicycle as I can in my car, and in half the time on a motorcycle. I still have to wait at the stop lights, but I don't have to wait to GET to the stop lights. At certain intersections, a car has to wait for 2 or 3 cycles of the stoplight before it gets close enough to the front of the line to get through, and even more if something has gone amiss, like road construction. This is how one ends up averaging 5 mph, or less on streets that allow 30mph traffic.

I'm surprised that more people don't ride 2 wheelers. I guess they just don't know the secret. Shhhh... Don't Tell!
 
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