I'd say about the same. They seemed better than the E3's that were stock on my current bike but I had an American Elite to replace the E3 with a quarter in hole. They all seemed about the same to me and my riding style. Now the E4's that have replaced the E3 are much better but that doesn't help in you question. I'm not sure if American Elites have gone through an upgrade like E3's or not is the reason I mention the E4. I thought there was one other Dunnie that was upgraded though. Be worth investigating.