Oil and Lubrication Thread! - Page 8

Oil Doc · 08-06-2012, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bede5man

Good isn't cheap; it doesn't have to be a ripoff, either.

So, in your opinion, just what and where is the Ripoff?

Oil, is the Lifeblood of your engine. The oil filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean.

The Best isn’t cheap
Cheap isn’t The Best

Bob

Klrlindy63 · 08-06-2012, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oil Doc

So, in your opinion, just what and where is the Ripoff?

Oil, is the Lifeblood of your engine. The oil filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean.

The Best isn’t cheap
Cheap isn’t The Best

Bob

AMEN! Premium oil is worth the cost.

Klrlindy63 · 08-06-2012, 08:27 PM

You need to do your research and find the product that best suites you and your bikes needs.
I know that the engine on my KLR is little more than a souped up lawn mower engine that runs dirty. Even though I am running a premium oil, I am planning on changing it at 3500 mile intervals. As far as the motor on my 2000 KLR is concerned it is fairly young, I bought it with 5300 miles, I changed the very dirty oil when I got it, ran it 1000 miles and changed it again. I will change it again in about 1 week at 9800. If I keep this bike I want a dependable machine for trips, if I sell it I want to give the next owner a reliable ride.
I am saving on fuel cost's over commuting in my truck, even running an expensive oil like RP I am still saving money. 24 mile round trip commute Truck 2 gal.(avg 12 mpg) of fuel vs. KLR 0.5 gals. (avg 53 miles mpg)
Truck takes 6 qurts of oil per change, KLR 2.6 qurts.
Commuting on the bike for me is a win win situation I feel premium oil adds to the over all long term reliability of the motorcycle. Oil Docs posts seem to support my position.

ArmyAviator · 03-19-2013, 09:12 PM

Using dino oils in my ATVs and intend to do in my newest purchase, a used trail bike, Honda CFR 150. Local auto parts house says that Pennzoil is 97% pure while Castrol only 87%; thinking about synthetics as I have synthetics in my dually (farm truck) and wife's Tahoe; thoughts on synthetics in this trail bike?

mark jobin · 03-19-2013, 09:36 PM

Army,
I am an Amsoil dealer and thus use Amsoil in everything I own....Bikes, cars, generator, you name it it's in there.
You'll find several people in the forum that are also dealers and we all agree on synthetic superiority.

Oil Doc · 03-19-2013, 10:12 PM

Hi Army,

Local parts house really doesn't know much..

Pennzoil is the worlds largest reclaimer of motor oil. They also own Quaker State, commonly referred to as "Quaker Sludge"

It all depends on what you are looking for in an oil. I have AMSOIL in all 3 bikes, Diesel pickup truck that pulls a 30' loaded trailer often and also in all my lawn equipment.

I sell AMSOIL to several Motorcycle race teams that are Podium finishers and they punish their bikes more than most people could dream of.

I have been selling and using AMSOIL Since 1984. I don't say the things I do about AMSOIL to sell it. I sell it because of the things I can say about it.

That being said, there are several excellent oils on the market. If you would like an unbiased opinion, feel free to contact me and I will keep your choices to about 3 oils to keep it uncomplicated]

Oil, is the LifeBlood of your engine. the oil filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean.

Bob

aaronrkelly · 03-20-2013, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArmyAviator

Using dino oils in my ATVs and intend to do in my newest purchase, a used trail bike, Honda CFR 150. Local auto parts house says that Pennzoil is 97% pure while Castrol only 87%; thinking about synthetics as I have synthetics in my dually (farm truck) and wife's Tahoe; thoughts on synthetics in this trail bike?

I dont believe any of what anyone tells me about oil.....so feel free to take my advice and dont listen to me.

I think on any modern engine synthetic will always be a better choice vs dino. The question is it worth it?

For instance I use synthetic on my touring bike because I use it extensively.....it sees alot of miles and plenty between changes. If Im going on a 4K mile trip I dont want to be attempting an oil change in the WalMart parking lot.....so I run synthetic. Partly because of the above....also because thats what the manual specifies.

On all my other bikes.....regular dino oil. Ive got 2 dual sports, 4 street bikes, 4 quads, 3 dirt bikes etc. They dont get abused.....none of them are high strung performance engines or are used in an extreme situation.

As for what brand of oil.....ask 3 people and get 4 different answers.

Personally.....I use Shell Rotella T6 synthetic 5w40 in my Victory. I use Shell Rotella T dino 15w40 in everything else (from my 2011 BMW to my 1979 Yamaha).

Ive spent the $35 and sent off a few oil samples for analysis. I know its good oil for my applications.....Im not merely speculating. Is it the right choice for your application, maybe....maybe not.

Despite the fact its a "diesel oil" Rotella T is widely accepted as a good motorcycle oil - cheap, easy to find and its even JASO-MA and MB certified (those are the "motorcycle oil specifications").

Now personally I dont think the cost vs beneift would be worth putting synthetic in that Honda 150. If we were talking about a ball out motocrosser - synthetic for sure.

ArmyAviator · 03-20-2013, 05:43 AM

Very substantial replies, all. Thank you. While differing opinions may remain the only common ground, there are measurably good points made here.

Oil Doc · 03-20-2013, 06:28 PM

You Do NOT want a JASO MB rating for a wet clutch. Rotella has an MA Rating which is the Minimum Rating for a wet clutch application. MA 2 is the Highest Clutch Performance Rating available.

It comes down to more than just petroleum vs: Synthetic as each so-called synthetic can vary greatly not just due to various Base Stock but the main things that make it possible for oils to do what they do, the additive packs.

Rotella, whether the petroleum or the T-6 Faux Synthetic, is a good oil and dual qualified for some diesel and some gas applications. We refer to Rotella as a "Fit-All" oil. It will work better in some applications than others.

Will Rotella work in a bike? Sure it will but, there are better oils suited to the application. Again, it is a good oil for the price. There are some drawbacks to Rotella in a M/C application though. If you have non-riding periods for more than 2-3 weeks, there is a lack of protection on the metal surfaces as the oil does not have an anti-corrosion package for such which now creates a dry start and excessive wear. There are things that Oil Analysis can not show. Other oils may also have anti-rust and corrosion packages designed for those times, additives to provide smoother shifting, fewer false neutrals, easier to find neutral, better clutch operation, cooler oil temps, more HP and better fuel mileage.

AMSOIL provides Extended Drain capabilities, all the above mentioned benefits and, if you have storage periods such as through the winter, is safe to store on.

My choice of M/C oils would be, from the top down, AMSOIL, Mobil 1 Racing 4T and Motul 300V.

I don't run $9.50 per qt oil and $55.00 worth of filters on my pickup for the heck of it. I use them because of the added benefits.

Just as I had a $650 fuel pump/filter system installed on my truck, there are benefits.

Bob

KMWilliams · 03-26-2013, 09:06 PM

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Oil Doc · 03-26-2013, 09:13 PM

Boy... aren't we pissy... Things sure have changed since I was a Mod here and was told it was OK for me ..

The only reason this thread is here is because of me.

03-19-2013, 09:12 PM	#284
ArmyAviator Motorcyclist Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11	Purity counts..? Using dino oils in my ATVs and intend to do in my newest purchase, a used trail bike, Honda CFR 150. Local auto parts house says that Pennzoil is 97% pure while Castrol only 87%; thinking about synthetics as I have synthetics in my dually (farm truck) and wife's Tahoe; thoughts on synthetics in this trail bike?

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mark jobin Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 6	Army, I am an Amsoil dealer and thus use Amsoil in everything I own....Bikes, cars, generator, you name it it's in there. You'll find several people in the forum that are also dealers and we all agree on synthetic superiority. Last edited by KMWilliams; 03-26-2013 at 09:03 PM.. Reason: Remove commercial link

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Oil Doc Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 623	Hi Army, Local parts house really doesn't know much.. Pennzoil is the worlds largest reclaimer of motor oil. They also own Quaker State, commonly referred to as "Quaker Sludge" It all depends on what you are looking for in an oil. I have AMSOIL in all 3 bikes, Diesel pickup truck that pulls a 30' loaded trailer often and also in all my lawn equipment. I sell AMSOIL to several Motorcycle race teams that are Podium finishers and they punish their bikes more than most people could dream of. I have been selling and using AMSOIL Since 1984. I don't say the things I do about AMSOIL to sell it. I sell it because of the things I can say about it. That being said, there are several excellent oils on the market. If you would like an unbiased opinion, feel free to contact me and I will keep your choices to about 3 oils to keep it uncomplicated] *Oil, is the LifeBlood of your engine. the oil filter, is the Kidney that keeps it clean.* *Bob* Last edited by KMWilliams; 03-26-2013 at 09:03 PM.. Reason: Remove commercial link

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Klrlindy63 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 1,002	You need to do your research and find the product that best suites you and your bikes needs. I know that the engine on my KLR is little more than a souped up lawn mower engine that runs dirty. Even though I am running a premium oil, I am planning on changing it at 3500 mile intervals. As far as the motor on my 2000 KLR is concerned it is fairly young, I bought it with 5300 miles, I changed the very dirty oil when I got it, ran it 1000 miles and changed it again. I will change it again in about 1 week at 9800. If I keep this bike I want a dependable machine for trips, if I sell it I want to give the next owner a reliable ride. I am saving on fuel cost's over commuting in my truck, even running an expensive oil like RP I am still saving money. 24 mile round trip commute Truck 2 gal.(avg 12 mpg) of fuel vs. KLR 0.5 gals. (avg 53 miles mpg) Truck takes 6 qurts of oil per change, KLR 2.6 qurts. Commuting on the bike for me is a win win situation I feel premium oil adds to the over all long term reliability of the motorcycle. Oil Docs posts seem to support my position.

03-20-2013, 05:43 AM	#288
ArmyAviator Motorcyclist Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 11	Very substantial replies, all. Thank you. While differing opinions may remain the only common ground, there are measurably good points made here.

03-20-2013, 06:28 PM	#289
Oil Doc Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 623	You Do NOT want a JASO MB rating for a wet clutch. Rotella has an MA Rating which is the Minimum Rating for a wet clutch application. MA 2 is the Highest Clutch Performance Rating available. It comes down to more than just petroleum vs: Synthetic as each so-called synthetic can vary greatly not just due to various Base Stock but the main things that make it possible for oils to do what they do, the additive packs. Rotella, whether the petroleum or the T-6 Faux Synthetic, is a good oil and dual qualified for some diesel and some gas applications. We refer to Rotella as a "Fit-All" oil. It will work better in some applications than others. Will Rotella work in a bike? Sure it will but, there are better oils suited to the application. Again, it is a good oil for the price. There are some drawbacks to Rotella in a M/C application though. If you have non-riding periods for more than 2-3 weeks, there is a lack of protection on the metal surfaces as the oil does not have an anti-corrosion package for such which now creates a dry start and excessive wear. There are things that Oil Analysis can not show. Other oils may also have anti-rust and corrosion packages designed for those times, additives to provide smoother shifting, fewer false neutrals, easier to find neutral, better clutch operation, cooler oil temps, more HP and better fuel mileage. AMSOIL provides Extended Drain capabilities, all the above mentioned benefits and, if you have storage periods such as through the winter, is safe to store on. My choice of M/C oils would be, from the top down, AMSOIL, Mobil 1 Racing 4T and Motul 300V. I don't run $9.50 per qt oil and $55.00 worth of filters on my pickup for the heck of it. I use them because of the added benefits. Just as I had a $650 fuel pump/filter system installed on my truck, there are benefits. *Bob*

03-26-2013, 09:13 PM	#291
Oil Doc Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Maryville, TN Posts: 623	Boy... aren't we pissy... Things sure have changed since I was a Mod here and was told it was OK for me .. The only reason this thread is here is because of me.