Can employers fire those who ride motorcycles?

[JetFalcon]

So after I graduate, I plan to go work for my dad's company and learn about the company. I asked him if I would be getting an actual pay check so that means it was my money and that I was free to decide what to do with it. Well, because I want a motorcycle, and my mom would NEVER allow me to have one.

So then he says he will fire anyone in the company that buys a motorcycle. Well, I it's BS and he is just saying I can't have one because I'm his son. It makes no sense to fire someone on their mode of transportation, maybe he should consider firing those who want to take the bus to work. But I don't know how to get my parents over the fact I want a motorcycle. It's not some stupid fad, I wanted one for over 4 years and now that I will be making my own money soon, they still want tell me what I can't do.

I know I can go live on my own and get a job with someone else, but the problem is I could not find a job (even min wage) due to the economy being so ****ty and not having any job experience. I could have had 5 years of job experience if my mom did not force me to quit my movie job in 2006 and allowed me to continue working, but she thought sweeping popcorn was a waste of my time and she doesn't value the idea of me working for my own money. Hell, I probably could have had enough money if I kept working to get a motorcycle.

So if I was doing my job and there was no reason to fire me, could my dad legally fire me from my job because I chose to get a motorcycle that was paid with my own money? I don't know if he would really do it, but he said he would. If he really wanted to fire me for a motorcycle, I would want to get a lawyer to protect my rights to ride a motorcycle if I choose to.

[mikevillena]

Originally Posted by JetFalcon

So after I graduate, I plan to go work for my dad's company and learn about the company. I asked him if I would be getting an actual pay check so that means it was my money and that I was free to decide what to do with it. Well, because I want a motorcycle, and my mom would NEVER allow me to have one.

So then he says he will fire anyone in the company that buys a motorcycle. Well, I it's BS and he is just saying I can't have one because I'm his son. It makes no sense to fire someone on their mode of transportation, maybe he should consider firing those who want to take the bus to work. But I don't know how to get my parents over the fact I want a motorcycle. It's not some stupid fad, I wanted one for over 4 years and now that I will be making my own money soon, they still want tell me what I can't do.

I know I can go live on my own and get a job with someone else, but the problem is I could not find a job (even min wage) due to the economy being so ****ty and not having any job experience. I could have had 5 years of job experience if my mom did not force me to quit my movie job in 2006 and allowed me to continue working, but she thought sweeping popcorn was a waste of my time and she doesn't value the idea of me working for my own money. Hell, I probably could have had enough money if I kept working to get a motorcycle.

So if I was doing my job and there was no reason to fire me, could my dad legally fire me from my job because I chose to get a motorcycle that was paid with my own money? I don't know if he would really do it, but he said he would. If he really wanted to fire me for a motorcycle, I would want to get a lawyer to protect my rights to ride a motorcycle if I choose to.

I'm not a counselor nor do I pretend to be but it sounds like you are dealing with multiple issues here. Your parents are being very protective (or even a little over-protective) which is their prerogative. I also understand why because I too am a parent. The other is that motorcycling is an INHERENTLY RISKY activity. That's a fact. Although we cannot eliminate ALL of the risks, we try to mitigate them as much as possible by:
a) Getting basic instruction and training (through the Motorcycle Safety Foundation)
b) Starting off on a motorcycle that is "beginner friendly"
c) Buying and ALWAYS WEARING proper gear (it's useless if it's hanging in the closet)
d) Buying motorcycle insurance
e) Always adjusting to weather, road and traffic conditions AND ALWAYS RIDING DEFENSIVELY.
f) Constantly practicing and improving on the basic skill set that was acquired through the MSF Basic Rider Course. I said SET because you will need ALL of them and more.

My advice is for you to try and understand their point of view but to also start showing them that you have the maturity to make SOME of the decisions for yourself. This might take a while so don't push it. Begin by buying and reading books about SAFE motorcycling. Leave them around the house for your parents to find. Why? Because parents will always be curious and will want to know what their kids are reading. The fact that you are truly interested in motorcycling but with the emphasis on safety will stick in their minds. Next, enroll in the MSF Basic Rider Course if you're old enough. Again, the emphasis is on SAFETY. Most states offer them at very low costs. In Illinois, it's just 20 bucks (registration fee) and even that is refundable. You don't need a motorcycle or even a helmet because they provide both. Have your mom or dad take you. Even if it's just to watch. Have them talk to the instructors. It's good to have someone on your side. Finally, start making even small decisions that reflect some maturity on your part. Except for hiring a lawyer to fight your parents. It will only turn your folks against you even more. Be patient. It will take many small things to convince them that you are mature enough. Worse case scenario is that they still won't let you get a motorcycle. Accept it and move on with your life. Eventually, you will be living on your own and will be able to make your own decisions. Until then, give your parents the respect that they deserve. This alone is a sign of maturity. Don't worry, motorcycles will still be around when you are ready. Hope this helps.

[Dodsfall]

In most circumstances, (unless there is a binding contract) a company can fire an employee for any reason they wish, or no reason at all. Eligibility for unemployment insurance will depend on the circumstances of the severance, but beyond that, a company can do as they wish.

You might want to re-think working for your dad, or any company,that puts arbitrary conditions tied to what you do outside of work that doesn't effect the work itself.

[TennesseeZ]

Originally Posted by Dodsfall

In most circumstances, (unless there is a binding contract) a company can fire an employee for any reason they wish, or no reason at all. Eligibility for unemployment insurance will depend on the circumstances of the severance, but beyond that, a company can do as they wish.

You might want to re-think working for your dad, or any company,that puts arbitrary conditions tied to what you do outside of work that doesn't effect the work itself.

I agree with Dodsfall.......here in Tennessee, technically if an employer does not like your haircolor...they can fire you..its called a ...."Right-To-Work State".
Not saying its right or wrong just stating the obvious! I also agree with previous advice about going to a MSF Basic Rider course, they are a good idea, I went to one in 1974 because I was in the USAF in S.C. , wanted a bike ( Weather is awesome where I was stationed!) and you could not bring your bike on base unless you had completed the course!!, at first I was a little "Raw" because I thought I was being "Forced" to attend, but I still remember many tidbits that were given to me while attending that course and several times over the years ( been riding for over 38 years ) they have saved me from crashing!! Hang in there!! Whatever you do ride carefully and thus prove it is a safe hobby.
Regards
TZ ED

[Badlands-4-2]

North Dakota is also a right to work state. I find the title odd since it is really a no rights if you are fired state. A buddy of mine works for a car dealer and they require you drive a vehicle from one of the makes that they sell. I guess they do not want the salesmen showing up driving the competitions vehicles. If it is a rule and applied to all employees, not just you, then it is a rule you will have to deal with. If it is just you then you will have to deal with your parents, or just get a different job.

[cbdallas]

Dodsfall said a mouthful. "You might want to re-think working for your dad, or any company,that puts arbitrary conditions tied to what you do outside of work that doesn't effect the work itself."

Next thing you know, your dad will decide it's ok to fire anyone that grows a goatee. I know the job market is tough right now, but I think you can do better than this. Sounds like a ticking time-bomb to me.

[ChuckBee]

Right to Work Law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law

At-Will Employment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment


Wrongful Termination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongfu...#Right_to_work

[Dodsfall]

Originally Posted by ChuckBee

Wrongful Termination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongfu...#Right_to_work

That is citing UK law, which is different than US law where employment is considered.


At-will employment, which is what the majority of companies in the US follow, has very narrow circumstances that an employer cannot fire an employee:

Discrimination - The employer cannot terminate employment because the employee is a certain race, nationality, religion, sex, age, or in some states, sexual orientation.

Retaliation - An employer cannot fire an employee because the employee filed a claim of discrimination or is participating in an investigation for discrimination. This "retaliation" is forbidden under civil rights law.

Contractual Employees - Generally, an employee with an employment contract can only be terminated for the reasons stated in the contract. Employment contracts for specified periods of time or permitting terminations only for specific reasons are rare today.

Illegal Acts - An employer is not permitted to fire an employee because the employee refuses to commit an act that is illegal.

Family or Medical Leave - Federal law permits most employees to take a leave of absence for specific family or medical problems. An employer is not permitted to fire an employee who takes family or medical leave for a reason outlined in the Family and Medical Leave Act.

Not Following Own Termination Procedures - Often, the employee handbook or company policy outlines a procedure that must be followed before an employee is terminated. If the employer fires an employee without following this procedure, the employee may have a claim for wrongful termination.

[ChuckBee]

The first part of the Wrongful Termination link mentions the United States as not having a single wrongful termination law and California being at-will.

The UK section wouldn't apply of course.

[V8Thrasher]

You sir seriously need to get a job, and get away from your parents. Seems like they are the weight holding you down from living your life. It's very sad and I'm very sorry about the situation your in. I read one of your previous posts, and this seems to be a serious issue ( along with other issues here such as being waaaay too over protective). Like others said, yes he can fire you for just about anything, hell any employer can. I suggest, highly suggest finding another job elsewhere, where employers will actually care about Job performance and not whether or not their employee rides a motorcycle. Sad to say the relationship your parents have with you is unhealthy, and will only get worse with time. Do you wanna raise your kid? Or have them do it? Oh and your mom "forced" you to quit your previous job? Wow..... I have no words to express the sorrow I have for you man.

[Squally]

Here's an idea...tell them that you think they're too over-protective, and you want to make it on your own so you can buy what you want with the money you earn. So tell them you're going to join the army, navy, air force, marines, coast guard, etc...Learn a skill, save money for college, etc.

It's an adult decision that a lot of young men and women decide to do as a way to gain a little maturity, a little life experience, different career paths, and last (and certainly not least) a way to serve your country.

My guess is, that if they are as over-protective as you say they are...the thought of their little boy being put in harms way on foreign soil will make them back down on the motorcycle issue.

But honestly though, it sounds like it might do you some good if college or employment elsewhere aren't options for you.

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by V8Thrasher

You sir seriously need to get a job, and get away from your parents. Seems like they are the weight holding you down from living your life. It's very sad and I'm very sorry about the situation your in. I read one of your previous posts, and this seems to be a serious issue ( along with other issues here such as being waaaay too over protective). Like others said, yes he can fire you for just about anything, hell any employer can. I suggest, highly suggest finding another job elsewhere, where employers will actually care about Job performance and not whether or not their employee rides a motorcycle. Sad to say the relationship your parents have with you is unhealthy, and will only get worse with time. Do you wanna raise your kid? Or have them do it? Oh and your mom "forced" you to quit your previous job? Wow..... I have no words to express the sorrow I have for you man.

Personally, I find it very stupid that my mom would probably rather me be a 30 year old guy with no job and still plays video games all day and doesn't work out. She wouldn't like that either, but I'm saying she probably rather me suffer a fate like that instead of allowing me to live life and have a motorcycle.

I have been going through this phase in my life when video games started getting really boring. I think it's because I got this female roommate who is living on her own and pays rent to my parents, and she told me alot about life outside of my gated community and what it's like to be middle class. Somehow, I think this played a big affect that got me bored of video games because I had less self esteem when I was playing video games all day and then I see her coming home from work. To me, she made money at work while all I got done was rank up in my video game.

I should have been pumped up for MW3 and playing it all day trying to get to prestige 10. But now, I can't play a video game for over an hour anymore and it makes me want a motorcycle even more. I even told this to a guy on the chair lift snowboarding one day, that I suddenly got bored of video games and is why I'm out snowboarding and he gave me a fist pound. I thought my parents would be happy to see I have been playing less video games, but they didn't even notice even though my parents hated seeing me play video games. So now that video games are boring, I want a motorcycle even more and I have been pushing them harder about it.

I feel my some of my friends care more about partying, clubbing, raves. I don't think it's bad, but they do it excessively to the point that is their life and I don't really feel that's living. I've done it, but doing it all the time gets boring to me fast and I don't see how they think it's worth spending everything they got to support this. I rather find friends who are into motorcycles, who may be more inclined to doing stuff like snowboarding, jetski, skydiving, and any other adrenaline junkie stuff.

Also, since my parents said if I get the motorcycle, then I would have to live on my own as well as never to see them again. I am fine with that, but I have to be realistic when I have none of my own money. I tried to get a job in the summer as an attempt to start being on my own and hoping to save money to pursue being independent.

But I got my first job as a high school student with no experience, and it was pretty much handed to me. I wanted to run the cash register at concessions, but I guess since it was my first job the manager decided to make me an usher to sweep up trash. I remember when I was in first grade and one of those morning announcements I had to say what I wanted to be when I grow up. I said I wanted to be a super market person running the cash register when all the other kids wanted dream jobs like pro baseball player for their favorite team. But I sucked it up and took his offer to sweep up trash and hope he would later give me a chance to run the cash register at concessions or box office. I thought this was really bad since my mom always said to never become those people sweeping trash and it's exactly what I did. I was a kid driving a luxury car (Mercedes or Lexus) to work to sweep up trash! I was told by the other workers I had a better car than the manager which was really made me feel worthless because I knew there was no way I would be driving a luxury car if I had to buy that on my own. I wanted to be independent and have my own money since I was in high school and before I really cared to have a motorcycle and got a job at the movie theater, but then my mom made me quit because she thought my job was pointless and would get me no where. She only cared about grades and nothing else that could define me as a person. I think she believed working with people outside our income level was not going to get me anywhere in life or prepare me for my future career. But my roommate strongly believes working since 14 years old (now 24) has taught her so much and she has so much to say about it, even though they all were low end jobs like dish washing and serving which can't make $100 grand a year. I had this belief too when I decided it is time for me to get a job and start my venture to become independent.

I recently asked my mom about living on my own and being independent, and all my mom did was question me why I wanted to do that so badly when I get money from them. Well, obviously is to get the motorcycle, so that's why my mom is not supportive about me living on my own either. I tried to steer away from that, but eventually I had to admit it was for the motorcycle reasoning: well, since you said once I live on my own and make my own money, then you can get your motorcycle. But I think she wants to prevent me from being independent and still wants control over me, regardless if I truly am independent. So she just says she will take me out of her will and disown me forever.

[murphyshuman]

Dude, how old are you? College? High School? Seriously, it sounds as though you may need to grow up a little (or a lot) If you're in college, graduate, get a job, and deal with life. If you're still in High School then go to step one get in college, graduate, get a job and deal with life. You sound like a spoiled little brat at this point.

[Squally]

Originally Posted by murphyshuman

Dude, how old are you? College? High School? Seriously, it sounds as though you may need to grow up a little (or a lot) If you're in college, graduate, get a job, and deal with life. If you're still in High School then go to step one get in college, graduate, get a job and deal with life. You sound like a spoiled little brat at this point.

I just read one of the OP's older posts and he said he was 23! I have to admit JetFalcon...I thought you were about 17.

Murphyshuman is right...Time to grow up, and I'll add that it's time to "grow a pair." I was born into nothing, and worked my way through college, and got a job. When I was 23, I was married and I hadn't lived with mom or dad for over 6 years. Moved my way up the ladder, and when I lived in So Cal, I had a house in one of those gated communities, too (but I bought it with my own money). Stop hiding behind your life in privileged suburbia as an excuse to stay tied to mom's apron strings and to remain attached to mom's teet. You're a grown-ass man at 23, start acting like one.

At the end of the day, your life is what you make it, so stop making excuses. The more I read your posts, the more I begin to think that maybe your parents are right about you not being ready for a motorcycle.

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by Squally

I just read one of the OP's older posts and he said he was 23! I have to admit JetFalcon...I thought you were about 17.

Murphyshuman is right...Time to grow up, and I'll add that it's time to "grow a pair." I was born into nothing, and worked my way through college, and got a job. When I was 23, I was married and I hadn't lived with mom or dad for over 6 years. Moved my way up the ladder, and when I lived in So Cal, I had a house in one of those gated communities, too (but I bought it with my own money). Stop hiding behind your life in privileged suburbia as an excuse to stay tied to mom's apron strings and to remain attached to mom's teet. You're a grown-ass man at 23, start acting like one.

At the end of the day, your life is what you make it, so stop making excuses. The more I read your posts, the more I begin to think that maybe your parents are right about you not being ready for a motorcycle.

Well, I'm very sorry but my mom was extremely against me sweeping floors as a high school student and attempting to become independent. I wanted to have a job and I was still willing to do it even though it was janitorial work. I was expecting to become a cashier so I didn't have to do janitorial work, but I still took the job and hoped the manager would move me into the position I wanted. But by the time a manager was going to help me out to work the cash register after three months, my mom told me I had to quit because school was starting up and sweeping floors is not respectable work. I thought she would have been proud of me for having a true desire to work, but since I was not making a $100 grand a year at some important job, she had no reason to be proud of a son who was willing to sweep floors as a first job.

My mom said she would cut me off if I disobeyed her and not quit when I said I wanted to continue working, so what was the point of giving up guaranteed money from the parents vs from a job that could potentially fire me. The economical choice will be to take the money from the parents without providing them any service. Even if I decided to retaliate, I'm sure my mom would react by taking my car away so I could not get to work. Or harass me when I get home from work about how grades are everything and working is meaningless.

But I tried to find a job since last summer and seems no one wants to hire in 2011-12 when in 2006 I got the job handed to me. I did look for a job, but it's very tough when every employer cares only about experience than those who are looking more than just a paycheck.

[curtis41]

One of the issues is control and refusal to let a youngster make his or her own choices. Other issues might include a genuine concern over safety, but really, at this age, it is not another persons' call. Be responsible and try your hand at the art of persuasion, and that is characterized by a responsible argument for a motorcycle and that yours is the choice to be made. Any more intrusion and it would be akin to the government forcing you to buy health insurance you may or not want to buy. Next, the old man might require you to buy a GM car. :-) You also have the option of where you work, as well as the fundamental right to make your own decisions. I agree with the previous posts that there are several issues here, most running right under the surface. Discuss this calmly and with reason. Occasionally, even the most butt-headed have lucid moments. I, and probably many motorcycle riders have seen this movie before, and are enjoying their motorcycles.

[Cheesy Rider]

JetFalcon, just get a f**king bike and stop whining!

[murphyshuman]

Originally Posted by JetFalcon

Well, I'm very sorry but my mom was extremely against me sweeping floors as a high school student and attempting to become independent. I wanted to have a job and I was still willing to do it even though it was janitorial work. I was expecting to become a cashier so I didn't have to do janitorial work, but I still took the job and hoped the manager would move me into the position I wanted. But by the time a manager was going to help me out to work the cash register after three months, my mom told me I had to quit because school was starting up and sweeping floors is not respectable work. I thought she would have been proud of me for having a true desire to work, but since I was not making a $100 grand a year at some important job, she had no reason to be proud of a son who was willing to sweep floors as a first job.

My mom said she would cut me off if I disobeyed her and not quit when I said I wanted to continue working, so what was the point of giving up guaranteed money from the parents vs from a job that could potentially fire me. The economical choice will be to take the money from the parents without providing them any service. Even if I decided to retaliate, I'm sure my mom would react by taking my car away so I could not get to work. Or harass me when I get home from work about how grades are everything and working is meaningless.

But I tried to find a job since last summer and seems no one wants to hire in 2011-12 when in 2006 I got the job handed to me. I did look for a job, but it's very tough when every employer cares only about experience than those who are looking more than just a paycheck.

So what you are really saying is your parents money is far more important to you than being your own person. Suck it up and do something or quit whining.

[ClassicVW]

Find even a lesser job than what your father's company would be, and when your parents ask you what you are doing, just tell them you are following your own mind because you want to be free to do what you want, and that includes buying a motorcycle. They will probably complain, so stick to this decision, and if they really want you in the family business, they may compromise and allow the motorcycle.

If there's still no solution, and your mother keeps whining and your father is still controlling, then follow the previous advice and join the Marine Corps.

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by ClassicVW

Find even a lesser job than what your father's company would be, and when your parents ask you what you are doing, just tell them you are following your own mind because you want to be free to do what you want, and that includes buying a motorcycle. They will probably complain, so stick to this decision, and if they really want you in the family business, they may compromise and allow the motorcycle.

If there's still no solution, and your mother keeps whining and your father is still controlling, then follow the previous advice and join the Marine Corps.

My mom wants to be control me until she is dead and I think it could be part of reason she wanted me to quit my job in high school. It's just a guess because I thought most moms would be proud if their son wanted to work for themselves at an early age, but my mom hated it. Maybe she wanted me to live off her money so she could continue to control me. Tried getting a job since last summer, but the economy is bad now and I have little work experience to convince anyone to give me a chance. If I could have saved money since 2006 and continued working when I had that first job, I could have enough to move out on my own.

So I may have to work for my dad and hope for the best. It will suck, but I have no choice since it will be time consuming getting rejection letters or not hearing back from employers. And there may me more potential for me working for the family business.

The only thing that sucks is that they may still want to treat me as their kid rather than an employee. Like if I am on break and I decide to go smoke outside, they probably will get angry at me just because it's their son doing it, but won't say anything if another employee does it. Not that I want to smoke, but it's the idea that they should not allow their personal beliefs affect me in the work place since other employees enjoy that freedom. I know one overweight employee who eats fast food everyday (burgers, fries, pizza) and they don't say anything to her, but if it were me doing it they would have a fit.

They say that I will be treated as an employee, not their son. If so, then they should not harass me over smoking during my break if other employees are free to do so. Or if I decide to have unhealthy fast food for lunch, then I should not get harassed for it at work because it's not relevant to work. And this includes choosing if I want to drive a motorcycle to work. But oh well, we'll see how it goes. I plan to do these things if they are serious about the whole working as an employee not their son attitude.

[orc4hire]

Dude, I registered just to tell you this. Your parents are NOT serious about you just being an employee, not their son. They're hiring you because you're their son, and they're going to treat you that way. That's what you're signing up for, so accept it or don't sign on.

Second, get over what happened in high school. The crappy job your mom made you quit was not going to give you any experience that would get you a job now, and you wouldn't have saved up enough to live on for more than about a week. It's in the past now anyway, so just get over it.

Third, stick your hand down the front of your pants and check to see if you've got any dangly-bits there. If you do, take a firm grip on them and nut up. Put on your big-boy pants and deal with it. No one is going to be very sympathetic because your parents are rich and you have to choose between living the same tough life as EVERYONE ELSE or being a good little boy, doing what you're told, and having everything handed to you.

You're an adult now and your life is in your hands. It's up to you to decide what you want to do with it, and if you mess it up it's your fault and your responsibility, not your parents. That's what being an adult means. Welcome to grownupland.

[Squally]

Originally Posted by orc4hire

Dude, I registered just to tell you this. Your parents are NOT serious about you just being an employee, not their son. They're hiring you because you're their son, and they're going to treat you that way. That's what you're signing up for, so accept it or don't sign on.

Don't get sucked into the JetFalcon vortex Orc4hire...Although, based on your post, I think I have a theory...I think JetFalcon is secretly working for our fine moderator, Dodsfall, since you are proof that JetFalcon is apparently increasing registered users and driving internet traffic to the site by his incessant whining.

Jet...Here's something else you may not realize...You're probably not getting any job offers because you probably don't interview well. If you conduct yourself in an interview the way you conduct yourself on this forum, I would bet that (and I'm only guessing here) you get about 5-10 minutes into the interview before you get insecure and start voluntarily trying to explain your lack of work history on your resume. This leads to your stories above, which then leads the interviewer to dismiss you as an immature, hen-pecked, momma's boy, and a bit of a whiner. In case you were wondering, these are not qualities that most employers are seeking in new employees.

You kinda worry me, Jet. Statements like "My mom wants to control me until she is dead" and your obvious frustration and anger at being controlled...makes me think things might be coming to a head on the home front, and I really think you and your parents ought to get some family counseling before things get really bad. A motorcycle is the least of your worries in all honesty.

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by Squally

Don't get sucked into the JetFalcon vortex Orc4hire...Although, based on your post, I think I have a theory...I think JetFalcon is secretly working for our fine moderator, Dodsfall, since you are proof that JetFalcon is apparently increasing registered users and driving internet traffic to the site by his incessant whining.

Jet...Here's something else you may not realize...You're probably not getting any job offers because you probably don't interview well. If you conduct yourself in an interview the way you conduct yourself on this forum, I would bet that (and I'm only guessing here) you get about 5-10 minutes into the interview before you get insecure and start voluntarily trying to explain your lack of work history on your resume. This leads to your stories above, which then leads the interviewer to dismiss you as an immature, hen-pecked, momma's boy, and a bit of a whiner. In case you were wondering, these are not qualities that most employers are seeking in new employees.

You kinda worry me, Jet. Statements like "My mom wants to control me until she is dead" and your obvious frustration and anger at being controlled...makes me think things might be coming to a head on the home front, and I really think you and your parents ought to get some family counseling before things get really bad. A motorcycle is the least of your worries in all honesty.

Well, I never would mention my mom. I come on forums to vent and see what responses I get. I don't need acceptance and I can consider everyone's opinion even if it's not in my favor. I have facebook friends that complain about their work such as not being tipped well, but they would never complain in front of the customer.

But now I finally got another job interview to possibly work at Cirque Du Soleil as a merchandise clerk. It's temporary work, but it works out for me since I will be graduating soon. And who knows, maybe I can ask if the company Adecco has anything to offer for college graduates when I'm done.

My resume sucks and my only job is the movie theater. But I believe the reason I got my foot in the door was the email message I sent because the guy on the phone said briefly he was impressed by it. In my resume, the movie theater is the only job experience I have. I did not include when and how long I worked there because it was 6 years ago and only for 3 months. So if you guys want to give me tips based on this email, feel free because I have to make the HR people look over my lack of work experience and give me a chance. Here is the email I sent:

Hello

I am a highly motivated SDSU student who is looking to work for more than a paycheck. I have worked in the movie theaters and the experience of working there has taught me things that I no school or parent could have.

When I started my first job, I knew I wanted to work at a place people were happy to be at. For me, seeing customers who are at a place that is fun is a stress reliever for me and it is why I chose to work at the movie theater. I never had to fake a smile at this job nor did I hate it because I felt it was an honor that Regal Entertainment Group gave me the power to make a guest's experience awesome or to make it suck. Being in the customer's position, it sucks having to pay over $10 per movie ticket, especially for those who have families. They are paying money that does not need to be spent so they can have one fun night out instead of staying home renting a movie. And with Cirque du Soleil, these people are paying an arm and a leg for these tickets so I want to do everything in my power to make each customer feel their visit is unique every night even though it is another work day for me. And for many, it can be a first time to go and they may be super excited so everyone must work together to ensure these people feel the same way when they get home after the performance and can't wait to go again.

I am also very good at keeping my own stress in check and I will never allow my personal life to affect my work. Because I'm sure the customers also have personal things going on in their lives and would like one night where they are treated with respect and have things go their way because maybe things aren't going their way at work or at home. I hope I can be considered for this opportunity. But If for any reason it cannot work out, I hope the people you choose will do everything in their power to make each guest feel that the money spent to attend Cirque du Soleil was well worth it.

Sincerely,

JetFalcon (obviously my real name though)

[Dodsfall]

Do they offer courses on how to write an effective resume in college anymore?

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by Dodsfall

Do they offer courses on how to write an effective resume in college anymore?

Well, we got career services and you can set up an appointment to create a resume. But we don't have an actual class for it. Only have RWS, which is persuasive writing. I used to suck at writing when I first got into college, but I eventually figured out the system and got an A in the last level writing class when I used to get Cs in the beginner stuff.

But ya I think persuasive writing can help alot in one's career, especially for in my position where I have to make people overlook my lack of work experience and give me the job versus someone else who could have many more years of experience.

And I printed some pictures of Ninja 250s and hung them in my study at home. Just to remind myself to work my way becoming independent. I had a long talk with my roommate and she told me what it takes to become independent and she said that getting a motorcycle can be used as a goal to becoming independent. She just left and moved back to Illinois, but she told me alot of her opinions about life and being independent and I think having her around has motivated me to make the step towards independence.

[Dodsfall]

As a person who has done a lot of hiring, a good tip I can offer is to keep your correspondence with potential employers professional, to the point, and not like you are writing on a friend's Facebook wall.

Also try not to use the word "suck" too much.

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by Dodsfall

As a person who has done a lot of hiring, a good tip I can offer is to keep your correspondence with potential employers professional, to the point, and not like you are writing on a friend's Facebook wall.

Also try not to use the word "suck" too much.

Oh, well I guess I was kind of in a hurry and on the whim when I made that email because I saw it on craigslist. I wasn't expecting anything, but I got a phone call today and they want to interview me. I have considered being professional and using the best words possible, but then I thought the people who read potential employees emails will get bored of it so I wrote what you saw. Are you saying my email sounds more like writing on a facebook wall than being professional? But you don't get bored of the same old professional email of people saying how many years they worked somewhere and how accomplished they are? Maybe every HR person is different.

But thanks for reading it. I guess I will try not saying "suck" too much in the interview.

[V8Thrasher]

Originally Posted by JetFalcon

Oh, well I guess I was kind of in a hurry and on the whim when I made that email because I saw it on craigslist. I wasn't expecting anything, but I got a phone call today and they want to interview me. I have considered being professional and using the best words possible, but then I thought the people who read potential employees emails will get bored of it so I wrote what you saw. Are you saying my email sounds more like writing on a facebook wall than being professional? But you don't get bored of the same old professional email of people saying how many years they worked somewhere and how accomplished they are? Maybe every HR person is different.

But thanks for reading it. I guess I will try not saying "suck" too much in the interview.

My god do you have ALOT to learn about life. Your response right there about a professional email shows how much you lack life experience. Your what? 19? 20? It's like we are all talking to a 13 year old.

[distantThunder]

JetFalcon ...

no offense dude.
But a response like that to an employer will be guaranteed NOT to get you a job.
Seriously.

Your first mission is to go enroll in a course that teaches you how to apply for professional employment. Don't even consider applying right now - you are not ready.

I know this may be painful to hear - but you've gotta know the truth dude.

dT

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by V8Thrasher

My god do you have ALOT to learn about life. Your response right there about a professional email shows how much you lack life experience. Your what? 19? 20? It's like we are all talking to a 13 year old.

Ok, explain yourself of how my response lacks life experience? I have no idea if you're just being a tough guy or you have something to offer to this conversation. If you don't like this conversation, than don't participate in it and go find another thread towards your liking. Maybe someone with more life experience you can relate to.

Well, now I am trying to get a job and I'm awaiting my interview on Tuesday.

[orc4hire]

Originally Posted by Squally

Don't get sucked into the JetFalcon vortex Orc4hire...Although, based on your post, I think I have a theory...I think JetFalcon is secretly working for our fine moderator, Dodsfall, since you are proof that JetFalcon is apparently increasing registered users and driving internet traffic to the site by his incessant whining.

Nah, I've been lurking here for a while. I just finally had to try and do something about that high-pitched whining noise coming from over here.


Speaking of which, Jetfalcon, are you actually studying anything in school? You're about get your degree, but you still have no job skills?

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by orc4hire

Nah, I've been lurking here for a while. I just finally had to try and do something about that high-pitched whining noise coming from over here.


Speaking of which, Jetfalcon, are you actually studying anything in school? You're about get your degree, but you still have no job skills?

I'm studying finance and about to graduate. Only 3 months working at the movie theater in summer 2006. Plus, I had alot of classes in college so I didn't really have time to think about a job. My job was staying in college and finishing up.

There really was no point for me to get a job since my parents were perfectly fine paying for everything and not encouraging me to get my own job. I think it's stupid, but kind of hard to refuse money that does not have to be worked for.

[orc4hire]

Originally Posted by JetFalcon

There really was no point for me to get a job since my parents were perfectly fine paying for everything and not encouraging me to get my own job. I think it's stupid, but kind of hard to refuse money that does not have to be worked for.

Yeah, how's that working out for you?

That close to graduating with a finance degree you should be looking for jobs in your field. Internships, real jobs, whatever. A cashier job at this point is probably going to be a negative on your resume.

[rustydog]

Mixing business with family and friends is never a good idea.

[V8Thrasher]

Originally Posted by JetFalcon

Ok, explain yourself of how my response lacks life experience? I have no idea if you're just being a tough guy or you have something to offer to this conversation. If you don't like this conversation, than don't participate in it and go find another thread towards your liking. Maybe someone with more life experience you can relate to.

Well, now I am trying to get a job and I'm awaiting my interview on Tuesday.

No, im not trying to be a tough guy or anything, just it doesnt seem like you know how to properly approach a possible employer. If you present yourself in person any way similar to the way you talk to us here on the forum, that employer will probably think youve been much too sheltered and are way too soft to handle the even most simpliest tasks. And in regards to "liking" the conversation...I dont think anyone here does, unless people like listening to a guy whine about his life?

Good luck on your interview, Im actually rooting for you, its time the boy turns into a man. Unless your mom makes you leave that job too?

[Squally]

Originally Posted by V8Thrasher

My god do you have ALOT to learn about life. Your response right there about a professional email shows how much you lack life experience. Your what? 19? 20? It's like we are all talking to a 13 year old.

He's 23, V8Thrasher...

Jet here's a great link on how to write a cover letter:
http://www.career.vt.edu/jobsearchgu...ersamples.html

Dods is right, keep it simple and to the point...I have interviewed and hired hundreds of people, and while I might call you in for a cashier job at Cirque du Soleil, if I were hiring for an entry level finance position I couldn't have hit delete fast enough on your email. Don't use the word "sucks" in a cover letter or email inquiry about positions, don't end a sentence with a preposition...For example, your sentence "When I started my first job, I knew I wanted to work at a place people were happy to be at." Instead you could have simply left the "at" off and gone with "When I started my first job, I knew I wanted to work at a place where people were happy." or "When I started my first job, I knew I wanted to be in a happy and fun workplace." Throwing the "at" in at the end is like fingernails on a chalkboard for me...Fine for an internet forum, but a complete no-no in a professional cover letter. I might have even let that go, but as soon as you started throwing in "sucks" you would have been deleted.

I could go on and on, but I won't. I would strongly encourage you to look into getting an internship and using your college placement services to proof read everything before you send it.

[orc4hire]

Originally Posted by Squally

Don't use the word "sucks" in a cover letter or email inquiry about positions, don't end a sentence with a preposition...For example, your sentence "When I started my first job, I knew I wanted to work at a place people were happy to be at." Instead you could have simply left the "at" off and gone with "When I started my first job, I knew I wanted to work at a place where people were happy." or "When I started my first job, I knew I wanted to be in a happy and fun workplace." Throwing the "at" in at the end is like fingernails on a chalkboard for me...Fine for an internet forum, but a complete no-no in a professional cover letter. I might have even let that go, but as soon as you started throwing in "sucks" you would have been deleted.

There is actually no general rule against ending a sentence with a preposition. The rule is to not end a sentence with a _redundant_ preposition. 'Who are you going with?' is okay. 'Where are you at?' is not. You're right, of course, that Jetfalcon is doing it wrong; I'm just being all nitpicky about the general rule.

Jetfalcon, you write like a high school kid who is depending on a spell checker to look at least vaguely literate and who can't be bothered to even proof read your emails. (The second sentence of your email doesn't even make sense. '[...]taught me things that I no school or parent could have.') You might get hired at some jobs with a cover letter that screams 'I can't be bothered' but almost certainly not at any kind of job that someone would actually want.

[Castle81]

Am I the only one that thinks this talk of "professionalism" is silly, because jet is dealing with Adecco? And their ad was on craigslist? I've had to work with adecco before. I had a pulse, therefore I qualified for a job.

I'm just gonna lay the rest of this out there, and hope some of it sticks. You need counseling. You are socially and emotionally underdeveloped. You don't know how to talk to people like a professional adult, because you lack the internal definition of what one is. That's why everyone thinks you're still in highschool. That's the level your at developmentally. You need to deal with this.

Also, you're spoiled. That bit about the roommate teaching you about "life outside the gated community" and "growing up middle class" made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. I would not want to work with you. Ever. Let alone for you or, god forbid, manage you. Already been there with way too many cats already. It just causes problems across the board. I work temp and project jobs because I NEED the money. When a rich kid like you shows up, we run him off as soon as we can. Why? Well, we get sick of arguing about how fair things are. Oh, and no life experience + soft hands usually = useless and slow. You hold us up, and are taking up space that someone we know could work faster and use the money more. Playin pauper just to see what it's like or to get life experience is just insulting.

I'm also pretty sure your mother has some kind of psychological.disorder. That s--- aint normal. And now neither are you because of it. Again, coun-sel-ing.

And you don't really want a motorcycle. You want what it stands for. You're chasing character traits you do not posess in outside objects, hoping to fulfill some inner need. It's something you've fixated on and idealized. A mask. A costume. It's stupid. Stop it.

Remember what the doormouse said:
FIX YOUR HEAD

[distantThunder]

Jet Falcon

It may sound like we are raggin' on your a**, but we're doing you a favor. The worst thing that happened to you was not working for a living ... in a series of jobs that really sucked. Most of us had to do that - so we could learn NOT to do that.

You are not even looking for the right kind of job.
If you get a dumb job on your resume - people will think you're an idiot when you go to apply for the next real job. It goes from bad to worse. You need the RIGHT kind of experience. That is what you should be focusing on now - where you will be going in the future, and how do you get the experience you actually need.

I was amazed when someone said that you've got a degree in finance. You do not sound like a guy who's got a degree in anything. What you truly need is a degree in real life.

dT

[JetFalcon]

Originally Posted by Castle81

Am I the only one that thinks this talk of "professionalism" is silly, because jet is dealing with Adecco? And their ad was on craigslist? I've had to work with adecco before. I had a pulse, therefore I qualified for a job.

I'm just gonna lay the rest of this out there, and hope some of it sticks. You need counseling. You are socially and emotionally underdeveloped. You don't know how to talk to people like a professional adult, because you lack the internal definition of what one is. That's why everyone thinks you're still in highschool. That's the level your at developmentally. You need to deal with this.

Also, you're spoiled. That bit about the roommate teaching you about "life outside the gated community" and "growing up middle class" made me throw up in my mouth a little bit. I would not want to work with you. Ever. Let alone for you or, god forbid, manage you. Already been there with way too many cats already. It just causes problems across the board. I work temp and project jobs because I NEED the money. When a rich kid like you shows up, we run him off as soon as we can. Why? Well, we get sick of arguing about how fair things are. Oh, and no life experience + soft hands usually = useless and slow. You hold us up, and are taking up space that someone we know could work faster and use the money more. Playin pauper just to see what it's like or to get life experience is just insulting.

I'm also pretty sure your mother has some kind of psychological.disorder. That s--- aint normal. And now neither are you because of it. Again, coun-sel-ing.

And you don't really want a motorcycle. You want what it stands for. You're chasing character traits you do not posess in outside objects, hoping to fulfill some inner need. It's something you've fixated on and idealized. A mask. A costume. It's stupid. Stop it.

Remember what the doormouse said:
FIX YOUR HEAD

Well, I worked at the movie theater and I have been disciplined a few times. But never close to being fired. Ya, some people saw I drove a Lexus when they saw me keys hang out, but no one started treating me differently for it. Why does it matter if a rich kid wants to work for his own money? You would give me **** if I kept living off my parents, but you also want to give me **** for wanting to work for someone else. You're just another middle class person who hates on the rich, yet probably buys lottery tickets hoping to strike at rich.

Hating on people won't get you far in life. You just end up not allowing yourself to meet great people. I would hate it if I have to work with people like you who have thoughts of running off rich kids who want to work. You just create a hostile work environment for everyone with this kind of attitude. You should have a more positive attitude so the customers don't feel awkward when they can see you're pissed about something, especially when you resent them for being better off than you.

I really do want a motorcycle. I have ridden them before and I know I want one. Can't just assume everything like you know so much about life. Even my roommate still admits she has things to learn even though she has worked since she was 14 (now 24). I thought it was kind of cool to live with someone from the middle class. It's different, but I thought it was a worthwhile experience. She drove her mom's old Dodge Intrepid while I drove a Lexus, but she still was willing to get to know me and I think I could consider her a good friend. She never got mad at me for having a privileged life and she still gave me a chance to get to know me. Nor did I try to shun her for her values being raised in a middle class family.

So sorry if you had a rough life. But in the end, this is the internet and there's really no point to take anything personally here since all of us are here to spew out whatever's pissing us off or on our minds.