We need a gun thread

[rexmitchell]

I know we have a few shooters on the forum and we don't have a centralized gun thread. I know that Anime will be in here shortly but I will start out with my small arsenal.

Pistols:

Springfield Armory XD-40 4 in.
.22 remington semi auto

Rifles:

Rock River Arms AR-15- cryo treated barrel, 1-8 twist, air gauged stainless 24" with a wylde chamber. Free float handguard, RR rubber grip, armalite base with a Leupold 4.5-14x40 AO scope. The lower has an upgraded parts kit installed and a JP competition trigger. The stock is a Magpul PRS that is adjustable for cheek height and LOP.

STW- 8MM mag necked down to a 7MM, accubreak to make it extra loud
22 mag lever action
.17 Remington- This is my favorite gun besides the AR. Accurate as hell and great for headshots
30-06 pump-family gun, old and kicks like a mule
.20 gauge Benelli automatic-Best shotgun I have ever owned. Lightweight and really fun to shoot.

Soon to be: S&W M&P15 Sport as my bush gun/GF's gun

I've got pics of some of them but will have to dig them up. Lets see what ya got people

Here is a pic of the RR arms AR



Here is part of the arsenal. Some of these are my friends but my pistols are there along with the benelli and STW up top

[Hawkeye]

Nice, I just picked up a Glock 19 Gen 4. Nothing special yet, I take my CC course on Thursday. I really like the look of the Kimber 1911, specifically the Pro Carry edition. Might have to pick one of those up after I snag a decent shotgun.

[Tankhead]

Already had uploaded a few of my handguns in my gallery. But I can post some more pics later tonite.

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Nice, I just picked up a Glock 19 Gen 4. Nothing special yet, I take my CC course on Thursday. I really like the look of the Kimber 1911, specifically the Pro Carry edition. Might have to pick one of those up after I snag a decent shotgun.

I love 1911's, my dad has one that I have been trying to snag for a while now.

Originally Posted by Tankhead

Already had uploaded a few of my handguns in my gallery. But I can post some more pics later tonite.

Do it!

[Wild Bill]

I have a Mossburge 12 gauge shotgun A Marlin 30-30 and the wife has a tuarus .22 Pistol.

Soon to come Tourus 45/410 Home defender

[bull_156]

Green is my favorite color

[rexmitchell]

Gotta love the XD's Mine is green with silver slide. What kind of site is that on the AR up top?

[bull_156]

truglo holographic green/red site. Its pretty neat but more for close range than anything.

[rexmitchell]

The new AR I am getting is going to be a bush gun / personal defense gun. I am looking for something good to probably 100-150 yrds max.

[bull_156]

Nice Im gonna be focusing more on training this year. My EDC is a Glock 19 and I took one handgun class last year but planning on taking several this year.

[rexmitchell]

Where did you get that XD paddle holster from?

[4Raven]

I have handguns. I have a 380 Bursa Thunder (that I really don't like and will trade in, had to have it rebuilt after firing 500 rounds); 32 SW Revolver w/4" barrel; 9mm Ruger P95....which I love!

Have my carry permit, but don't carry alot due to work rules. But carry on the road.

[bull_156]

Got it from Gander Mountain. I like it a lot better than the holster that came with the XD

[Tdubb]

Nice guys, looks like y'all got a good start on being prepared.

[primalmu]

From top to bottom, then left to right:

• CZ 452 Trainer .22 LR - EXCELLENT rifle, worth its weight in gold almost
• Ruger 10/22 - fun plinker
• Ruger Single Six with .22 mag cylinder - my first gun that my step dad got me when I was... 13 I think. It is still more accurate than I am, haha.
• Taurus .38 Special - actually my girlfriend's, but I shoot it more
• Glock 26 - This is my CCW gun, and what a great gun it is. I had a Springfield XD-40 before this, but I'm definitely a Glock guy now. The holster is a Don Hume that is a great value for the money.

[Tankhead]

Springfield Armory 1911's Loaded models w/ Adams Holsters Ostrich Leg and Shark Skin rigs.






Ruger Redhawk 4" 44 mag w/ custom painted LeverGunLeather Holster.




S&W 3" 686+ Deluxe 357 mag and an Adams Holster shoulder holster that will be here any day now!



Weatherby Deluxe SS Sporter 300 win mag and Leupold VX-3 4.5-14x40.




TC Omega 50 cal. Muzzleloader

[bull_156]

Very nice love the matching 1911's

[ReconLdr]

Here are some of mine:

Remington 700 tactical (.308)
Hi Point Carbine (9mm)
Colt Commander 1911 (.45 ACP)
Sccy CPX1 (9mm)
Sig Mosquito (.22LR)
Glock 32 (357 Sig)

Note: The Beretta 96 (.40 S&W) isn't mine.

These pictures were taken just prior to my buddies bachelor party, I think I did a pretty good job as best man.

[murphyshuman]

You guys and your technical picture ability!

Okay, no pics but here's the list as it stands now.

Sig 239 DAK
Ruger SR9
Ruger SR9C
Savage 22 rifle

Sold my 8mm 1917 Mauser sniper rifle, my Steven 16 gauge side by side, and my Ruger Old Army cap and ball black powder. I'm looking for an AR but haven't found the one I want I'm also looking for a 308.

[Tankhead]

Not really sure what I want next. Was looking at an M1A but I just haven't committed.

[Tankhead]

Rex, can u give more info on that RR Arms AR. Long range? thanks.

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by Tankhead

Rex, can u give more info on that RR Arms AR. Long range? thanks.

That gun is good out to at least 400 yrds with that scope. I have shot it fairly accurately at around 220 yrds with some wind with a 1 inch group off the top of my truck. I have yet to put it on bags but at 100 yrds off my truck with the bipod I was hitting under 1/2 inch groups with some wind. My buddy built it and he can shoot it accurately at 400 yrds so I know it can be done, not necessarily by me though lol. Anything else you are looking for? I threw all the specs I have up earlier. Let me know if this answers your questions.

[Biker Dash]

Rex, what is the rate of twist in the barrel of that AR? O know a good AR-15 based rifle should be accureat out to way further that 400 paces. With the M-16A2 using the basic peep sight (and dealing with the *****st trigger I have experienced on a rifle) I was able to consistantly keep 10 rounds within a 6" circle at 500yds. And thats with cheap-azzed military ball ammo.

Now, I would imagine that your AR would have a higher quality barrel, a MUCH better trigger, and I know that scope aint junk or just for looks, so I would think that it should be good for much better than your giving it credit for.

[rexmitchell]

cryo treated barrel, 1-8 twist, air gauged stainless 24, Leupold 4.5-14x40 AO scope. The lower has an upgraded parts kit installed and a JP competition trigger.

I have no doubts as to getting out farther than that but I personally have not tried yet so I hate to speculate. I try not to brag too much on stuff that I can't personally do but I know damn well that rifle has put rounds accurately well past 400 yards, I just can't personally say I did it. I always shoot on the low side when throwing out numbers like that and I know for a fact the 400 yrd mark was easily achieved. I believe I remember him throwing out numbers around 600-800 yrds for an effective range but I might be blowing those numbers up and honestly I can't remember. It has performed at 400 though for sure. I don't do a lot of distance shooting so I'm not into shots I can't see the result of lol. Headshots out to 200 yrds are easily capable either way though.

[Biker Dash]

With good quality ammo using something in the upper 60 grain weight class, I bet that rifle would be accurate out to 800 yards.

The one weakness to the AR-15 based rifles in my opinion is the hammer style lock mechanism. Due to the design, there will be more of a delay between when the sear releases and the firing pin hits the primer than with most modern bolt actions using a striker style system, where as the sear releases a spring loaded striker which serves as the firing pin. The longer the delay, the more time the rifle can drift.

[ValorSolo]

I only have three at the moment.
Sig p226 9mm
Belgian made Browning Auto 12 gauge, not sure of the model
Stevens "Junior" Model 11 22 LR Single shot

I'm a few post from being allowed to post pictures and links, so no pics.

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by Animedevildog

With good quality ammo using something in the upper 60 grain weight class, I bet that rifle would be accurate out to 800 yards.

The one weakness to the AR-15 based rifles in my opinion is the hammer style lock mechanism. Due to the design, there will be more of a delay between when the sear releases and the firing pin hits the primer than with most modern bolt actions using a striker style system, where as the sear releases a spring loaded striker which serves as the firing pin. The longer the delay, the more time the rifle can drift.

Interesting.

Originally Posted by ValorSolo

I only have three at the moment.
Sig p226 9mm
Belgian made Browning Auto 12 gauge, not sure of the model
Stevens "Junior" Model 11 22 LR Single shot

I'm a few post from being allowed to post pictures and links, so no pics.

You're almost there. Just 2 more posts or use a file sharing website like photobucket to embed them.

[ReconLdr]

Originally Posted by Animedevildog

With good quality ammo using something in the upper 60 grain weight class, I bet that rifle would be accurate out to 800 yards.

The one weakness to the AR-15 based rifles in my opinion is the hammer style lock mechanism. Due to the design, there will be more of a delay between when the sear releases and the firing pin hits the primer than with most modern bolt actions using a striker style system, where as the sear releases a spring loaded striker which serves as the firing pin. The longer the delay, the more time the rifle can drift.

This ^^^^.

The issue with .223/5.56 ammo has never been accuracy. I've hit man-sized targets well beyond the USMC/US Army advertised max effective range of the M16A2 rifles. I was ringing Iron Maidens at 600 without too much effort. Beyond 600 that bullet is loosing velocity pretty quickly. The loss of velocity causes the bullet to be more affected by the environment (wind/air temp/air density) I know guys who shoot precision bolt guns in that caliber way beyond 600yds.

Anime is completely correct in his description of the short comings of the AR platform. It takes a lot of skill/practice to shoot these rifles beyond 500yds/meters. Beyond that range the level of dificulty increases exponentially.

The AR platform is a solid battle rifle and is capable of more than the Army and Marines give it credit. It just takes more practice/training to get it to perform beyond that range. As far as I'm concerned the caliber is "adequate" for battle but if given the choice I would carry something a little heavier.

I would suspect the reason the military doesn't train everyone to utilize the rifle to its fullest potential is the small light weight bullets require direct hits to the vitals at that range (beyond 500 yds) to be lethal. Where as the .30 cal bullets still carry way more energy (produce better wound channels) at greater distances.

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by ReconLdr

This ^^^^.

The issue with .223/5.56 ammo has never been accuracy. I've hit man-sized targets well beyond the USMC/US Army advertised max effective range of the M16A2 rifles. I was ringing Iron Maidens at 600 without too much effort. Beyond 600 that bullet is loosing velocity pretty quickly. The loss of velocity causes the bullet to be more affected by the environment (wind/air temp/air density) I know guys who shoot precision bolt guns in that caliber way beyond 600yds.

Anime is completely correct in his description of the short comings of the AR platform. It takes a lot of skill/practice to shoot these rifles beyond 500yds/meters. Beyond that range the level of dificulty increases exponentially.

The AR platform is a solid battle rifle and is capable of more than the Army and Marines give it credit. It just takes more practice/training to get it to perform beyond that range. As far as I'm concerned the caliber is "adequate" for battle but if given the choice I would carry something a little heavier.

I would suspect the reason the military doesn't train everyone to utilize the rifle to its fullest potential is the small light weight bullets require direct hits to the vitals at that range (beyond 500 yds) to be lethal. Where as the .30 cal bullets still carry way more energy (produce better wound channels) at greater distances.

Why hasn't the army looked at something like the .300 BLK then? Compatible with what they have and a lot more knockdown power.

[ReconLdr]

Originally Posted by rexmitchell

Why hasn't the army looked at something like the .300 BLK then? Compatible with what they have and a lot more knockdown power.

I'm quite certain they have looked into it. The problem is cost. If they pick a new caliber with comercial history/applications, the cost associated with the change is significantly reduced. This is why the M1 Garand was chambered in 30-06 rather than .276 Pederson (which the original rifle was chambered). The US military already had huge stock piles of 30-06 left over from WWI. This surplus was possible becuase every ammo manufacturer in the US had the capablity to produce the ammo. The surplus could easily be sold off to the civilian market since a lot of Americans had guns that could shoot it. The military learned to not change caliber if they didn't have to with the M1---> M14 ---> M16 transitions inside a 12 year period caused ammo supply problems during Vietnam.

If we switched to .300 BLK (which IMHO, is a better choice than .223/5.56) the cost to produce/stockpile sufficient quantities would be enormous. Since we have been using 5.56 since the 1960's we have a metric **** ton of it stockpiled. Not only the cost but supply. Currently most of our allies produce 5.56/.223 ammo so in a pinch, our troops could be resupplied by allied forces. In order for this ammo compatability to exist, we would have to convince other nations (with economies that are worse off than ours at the moment) to re-tool and produce a new caliber.

Now, if we did change calibers, it would benefit me greatly. The government would release the ammo for civilian consumption which means the market would be flooded with inexpensive quality ammo and I could stock up for pennies on the dollar.

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by ReconLdr

I'm quite certain they have looked into it. The problem is cost. If they pick a new caliber with comercial history/applications, the cost associated with the change is significantly reduced. This is why the M1 Garand was chambered in 30-06 rather than .276 Pederson (which the original rifle was chambered). The US military already had huge stock piles of 30-06 left over from WWI. This surplus was possible becuase every ammo manufacturer in the US had the capablity to produce the ammo. The surplus could easily be sold off to the civilian market since a lot of Americans had guns that could shoot it. The military learned to not change caliber if they didn't have to with the M1---> M14 ---> M16 transitions inside a 12 year period caused ammo supply problems during Vietnam.

If we switched to .300 BLK (which IMHO, is a better choice than .223/5.56) the cost to produce/stockpile sufficient quantities would be enormous. Since we have been using 5.56 since the 1960's we have a metric **** ton of it stockpiled. Not only the cost but supply. Currently most of our allies produce 5.56/.223 ammo so in a pinch, our troops could be resupplied by allied forces. In order for this ammo compatability to exist, we would have to convince other nations (with economies that are worse off than ours at the moment) to re-tool and produce a new caliber.

Now, if we did change calibers, it would benefit me greatly. The government would release the ammo for civilian consumption which means the market would be flooded with inexpensive quality ammo and I could stock up for pennies on the dollar.

Lol, yea that would be nice to start having 5.56 ammo for cheap. I usually spend a bit extra and buy quality stuff but nothing like stocking up for when the zombies come. I have decided on the S&W M&P15 sport. Hopefully will pick one up on Friday. I need something for around the house and to beat around with.

[curtis41]

ALL of my guns were lost in a tragic boating accident over the Marianas Trench. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-) However, to keep in practice, I still reload .32, 380ACP, 38 SPL, 357 magnum, 45 ACP, 40, 223 and 308, just to keep in practice, on a Hornady Lock-N-Load progressive press. That is if you do not count shotgun shell reloading. It is fun, and if you are good (and careful), you can make ammo every bit as good or better than you can buy. NO, I don't save a lot of money, but I get to shoot a lot more. Any reloader can probably tell you how valuable some old tire weights are in a pinch. You can even make your own, corrosive gun powder. Just remember, the limiting factor is going to always be the primers. Gee, I hope 25,000 or so will be enough. Enjoy your shooting and reloading and be sure to check your cases carefully and do velocities on your new rounds.

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by curtis41

ALL of my guns were lost in a tragic boating accident over the Marianas Trench. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-) However, to keep in practice, I still reload .32, 380ACP, 38 SPL, 357 magnum, 45 ACP, 40, 223 and 308, just to keep in practice, on a Hornady Lock-N-Load progressive press. That is if you do not count shotgun shell reloading. It is fun, and if you are good (and careful), you can make ammo every bit as good or better than you can buy. NO, I don't save a lot of money, but I get to shoot a lot more. Any reloader can probably tell you how valuable some old tire weights are in a pinch. You can even make your own, corrosive gun powder. Just remember, the limiting factor is going to always be the primers. Gee, I hope 25,000 or so will be enough. Enjoy your shooting and reloading and be sure to check your cases carefully and do velocities on your new rounds.

I heard a story from the local gun store here about after Obama got elected and everyone was freaking out about him taking guns away. The owner said people were trying to buy obscene amounts of powder(like 50 lbs for one guy). They wouldn't sell it to them and started laughing.

[curtis41]

You can, in fact, buy 48 pounds of gunpowder in a single shipment and pay a single hazmat fee. Primers are shipped separately, kind of makes real good sense. I do know folks with 10s of thousands of primers, who reload regularly, and were smart and got them at very low, reasonable prices from what they are now. What President Obama does not believe in is civilian carry. He is apparently okay with military and police, and of course, Secret Service agents. You are correct that there were a LOT of gun purchases and supplies bought early on, and the freaking out was simply not justified. What I do remember is even Ghandi regretted the disarming of his people, and this is from a highly religious figure, about as non-violent as they come. Concern (but not obsession) over disarming a civilian population suggest that these types of acts often precede a more militant, restrictive government over the people, and has been repeated many times throughout history. Perhaps our forefathers and framers of the Constitution had a better idea of the potential dangers of civilian disarmament and the tyranny of the government over the people. We know that in several wars, a good reason the U.S. was not invaded is that much or most of the civilian population was armed. So, it is an ill wind that blows no one any good and armed is better than not armed in my view.

[ReconLdr]

Originally Posted by rexmitchell

I heard a story from the local gun store here about after Obama got elected and everyone was freaking out about him taking guns away. The owner said people were trying to buy obscene amounts of powder(like 50 lbs for one guy). They wouldn't sell it to them and started laughing.

Is there something wrong with having 50lbs of powder??? I probably have close to that in the garage right now.

I do agree, Obama was the gun salesman of the year for 2008. Not only did he cause panic purchases, he drove the prices of guns/ammo/components up on the assumption that he was going to do something anti-gun in his first term. Here we are 3 1/2 years later and the prices are starting to go up again..... This is why I try to keep 1k rounds per gun and components to make another 1k on the calibers I reload in "stock".

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by ReconLdr

Is there something wrong with having 50lbs of powder??? I probably have close to that in the garage right now.

I do agree, Obama was the gun salesman of the year for 2008. Not only did he cause panic purchases, he drove the prices of guns/ammo/components up on the assumption that he was going to do something anti-gun in his first term. Here we are 3 1/2 years later and the prices are starting to go up again..... This is why I try to keep 1k rounds per gun and components to make another 1k on the calibers I reload in "stock".

Lol, no it was just funny that people were running out all at once trying to clean out gun stores. A buddy of mine literally has around 50k rounds of .223 because he gets bored and reloads. I think it is funny, he thinks it is necessary lol.

[Biker Dash]

Currently, I do not own a firearm. I might look for a halfway decent deer riflr sometime soon. I'm thinking maybe a Marlin lever gun in a halfway decent calimer would be nice. Something a bit more potent than the 30-30, because you never know, I might might have an opportuinity to go for bear or moose as well.

When I was livig in San Diego, I owned a pair of .357 Magnums. One Rossi and one Taurus. Both were excellent guns. I sold them both when I got out of the Corps, and when I got to Florida, I bought myself a 10mm.

Sadly, if I do but, it will have to be a private sale. I guess I was good enough to carry while in the service, but I'm too crazy to carry now... FKING SUX AZZ!

[rustydog]

here's a pic of my 50cal. in line black powder rifle with this past years harvest

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by rustydog

here's a pic of my 50cal. in line black powder rifle with this past years harvest

Very nice!

[Schneiderman]

I'm not a big fan of listing all my guns in a post but I've got a few, and recently received this beauty from the CMP: