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Old 09-10-2011, 03:38 AM   #1
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Hey guys, whats up?

I took the bike into work today (work at a bar; no I didnt drink) and decided I would take the highway home (because it is 3 am and there is hardly anybody on the highway that late)

My plan of attack was to stay in front/behind of any pack of cars at all times. If I saw a car coming down a on-ramp, I sped up to make sure I was well in front of him before they actually merged onto the highway.

Anyway, I was doing about an average of 8 or so over. Noticed a car coming up on me REAL quick (10+ over the speed limit). It was a State trooper in a charger. He went right by me, didn't even put on brake lights or nothing. I was going at least 8 over the speed limit.

Do you guys find that bikes are allowed more lee-way with speed limits or something? Why would he not pull me over? I was a good ticket over the speed limit and he just went right by.

Any insight?
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Yeah, you can Google your state "Revised Statutes" regarding "speeding." Generally the law is written so that there is no fine specified for 10 MPH over the limit. Fines are mandated in 5 or 10 MPH increments. 11 mph to 15 mph over gets you a specified citation. 16 to 20 gets you another fine. 21 t0 25 gets you a specified fine. 26 to 30, a fine. 30 mph or more is classed as "reckless driving" -- a misdemeanor which will get you arrested and jailed.

Oregon has a "Basic Rule" clause in the speed limit: "Motorists must drive in a reasonable and prudent manner." -- 8 mph over can be "reasonable and prudent" at 3 AM on a deserted highway. By the same token, driving AT the speed limit in a dense fog or on icy roads will get you ticketed.

Police get to drive at pretty any speed they see "appropriate." (reasonable/prudent) They're not required to observe the speed limit, which allows them to catch up to traffic on the highway ahead of them.

I routinely set my cruise control on the open hwy for about 7 or 8 mph over the posted speed. 10 mph might get you "lighted up" by the constabulary, but 7 or 8 gets tolerated. (You can always explain that you have an over-sized tired on the rig and that makes your speedometer read "low" compared to your actual speed. (And you'll get cited anyway.)

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Hey guys, whats up?

I took the bike into work today (work at a bar; no I didnt drink) and decided I would take the highway home (because it is 3 am and there is hardly anybody on the highway that late)

My plan of attack was to stay in front/behind of any pack of cars at all times. If I saw a car coming down a on-ramp, I sped up to make sure I was well in front of him before they actually merged onto the highway.

Anyway, I was doing about an average of 8 or so over. Noticed a car coming up on me REAL quick (10+ over the speed limit). It was a State trooper in a charger. He went right by me, didn't even put on brake lights or nothing. I was going at least 8 over the speed limit.

Do you guys find that bikes are allowed more lee-way with speed limits or something? Why would he not pull me over? I was a good ticket over the speed limit and he just went right by.

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I feel like most cops will be leniant and let 8 over go on the highway. Especially if it's late night, no traffic, you're not driving reckless and they've got other places to be.
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If he came up on you at a high speed and blew past you, he probably had better things to do than pull you over.
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Have you checked your speedometer for accuracy? It's common for speedos to be up to 10% off, so that 7-8 MPH over may really only be 1-2 over if you had been clocked by the radar.
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If he came up on you at a high speed and blew past you, he probably had better things to do than pull you over.
Officer was obviously on the graveyard shift. Probably in a hurry to get to the local donut shop. :-)
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Officer was obviously on the graveyard shift. Probably in a hurry to get to the local donut shop. :-)
yea trying to get the freshest ones right out of the fryer lol
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Around here they ignore anything 10 over or less and I've routinely been ignored meeting cops on the road and parked in ditches for more than that.
My sister used to work in an attorney's office (paralegal) and once told me that in general, cops won't normally pull someone over for anything under 10 over. Said something about a higher fine threshold starting at 10 or 11 over or something like that. It's been years since she told me that but believe me, I've tested it to it's limits and it's true here. I normally set my cruise for 9 or 10 over in the car, never been stopped. I routinely run 10 over (indicated) on the bike but that's probably only truely 6 or 7 over.
I have been stopped, however, for 67 in a 50 and 56 in a 40. Yeah, those? They don't like.
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I ride and drive on the Interstates all the time, and never have a problem if I keep my speed to a real (not indicated) no more than 9 mph over the limit. And sometimes you just get lucky. I was riding home from a long work day and it was already dark. There were a few well spaced out cars in the right lane, and one car moving at just over the speed limit in the left lane. From a couple of hundred yards behind I flashed my high beams up and down to signal the car to move over and he did. I passed him at about 15 over the limit and was sort of surprised when I saw that the car I was passing was a State Trooper in a cruiser without top lights. I expected the worst, but amazingly he never stopped me. I slowed a bit but stayed ahead of him, and kept watch in my mirrors expecting the red and blue interior lights in his vehicle to start flashing, but I was lucky that night and got away without a problem. But if you keep your speed to 8 over the llimit, my guess is that you will never have a problem.
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Maybe he had to go to the bathroom! Then refill on coffee and donuts....I know I like those when traveling at those hours...If I see them on the highway, I immediately look at the speedometer...I don't always look at that, I go with the flow of traffic ...
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Old 09-10-2011, 10:41 AM   #11
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There are usually enough people going 15-20+ over the limit that they don't have to worry about the minor violators under 10 MPH.

You still can get a ticket at even 1 MPH over the limit, but it's not something that I've ever heard happen in the real world.

One place to really watch your speed is construction zones. The fines are usually higher and bring in more revenue than a standard ticket. Here in Illinois it's $375 minimum.
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I've been pulled over (in my car) going 7 over. But looking back, the real deal was, I was driving thru town after 1:00 A.M. and at that time, cops will pull you over for ANYTHING looking for a D.U.I. Sinse I wasn't drinking, and in Joplin, it's pollicy to find a reason to ticket for whatever they can find, if they go to the trouble to stop you, and Oh, they will find a reason to ticket you, however stupid or obscure the reason.

And Primalu is right, check, if you want to, with a G.P.S. you'll find you're really anywhere from 3 to 5 mph over actuall speed.
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If he came up on you at a high speed and blew past you, he probably had better things to do than pull you over.
This is my thoughts. Police are not supposed to speed unless they have a OFFICAL reason to do so. He was responding to something more important that 8 over the limit.
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The good thing about a motorcycle is if you back off the throttle, you slow down fairly quickly. I remember still what my dad told me. Try to keep the shiny side up and don't ride any faster than you want to fall off. Pretty good advice.
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The good thing about a motorcycle is if you back off the throttle, you slow down fairly quickly.
Unfortunately, not as fast as a well-placed laser beam aimed at your headlight.
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Unfortunately, not as fast as a well-placed laser beam aimed at your headlight.
Didn't you select the optional radar detector when you bought your motorcycle?
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Didn't you select the optional radar detector when you bought your motorcycle?
I skipped it and when straight for the stealth version with radar-absorbing panels, tank, and frame.
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My speedo is dead on the mark. We cross-checked it with a GPS and some markers on the highway.

I find generally, on the highway (interstate) that if I drive at 8 mph over posted speed I have cagers running up my butt, trying to get me to speed up.

Cruise control and I stay out of the left lane except if I'm passing -- which is what the signs on the highway say, is the intended use of the left lane. ("Left Lane For Passing Only")
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I skipped it and when straight for the stealth version with radar-absorbing panels, tank, and frame.
Just wrap your helmet in tin foil! Works great..... Trust me
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Hey guys, whats up?

I took the bike into work today (work at a bar; no I didnt drink) and decided I would take the highway home (because it is 3 am and there is hardly anybody on the highway that late)

My plan of attack was to stay in front/behind of any pack of cars at all times. If I saw a car coming down a on-ramp, I sped up to make sure I was well in front of him before they actually merged onto the highway.

Anyway, I was doing about an average of 8 or so over. Noticed a car coming up on me REAL quick (10+ over the speed limit). It was a State trooper in a charger. He went right by me, didn't even put on brake lights or nothing. I was going at least 8 over the speed limit.

Do you guys find that bikes are allowed more lee-way with speed limits or something? Why would he not pull me over? I was a good ticket over the speed limit and he just went right by.

Any insight?
It could be because they're either generous or that your speedo is off by 5-10% and you're only actually running about 3-5 over. Seems most bike speedo are inaccurate to the high side, doing 56 when shoing 60 and the like. Some tests used to show speedo error, I haven't looked lately to see if they still do.
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My speedo is dead on the mark. We cross-checked it with a GPS and some markers on the highway.

I find generally, on the highway (interstate) that if I drive at 8 mph over posted speed I have cagers running up my butt, trying to get me to speed up.

Cruise control and I stay out of the left lane except if I'm passing -- which is what the signs on the highway say, is the intended use of the left lane. ("Left Lane For Passing Only")
Years ago, I heard of someone being pulled over in California for doing the speed limit. They were told to either run with traffic (75-80) or get off the freeway, they were creating a dangerous situation.

I think someo speed stuff is relative to what is the norm.
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I pulled into a local ice cream place on my bike. While I was sitting there a state police car pulled in next to their lot and me. He set up his radar on the road coming into town, well inside the speed limit of 30 mph.

We chatted about my bike and then! You could here a bike with loud pipes three miles away winding out.

We are exactly three miles from the bridge and the point where the speed limit goes from 30 to 55 in the next town.

Looks like I have a customer, he said as he walked over to his car. Sure enough a bike comes flying over the hill and the lights came on. I have used my watch to clock loud piped bikes every summer.

Cars trucks and bikes seem to think that the speed drops some where else and not at the signs entering the village. He had to be 300 yards or more past the speed limit sign when he crested the hill! Nice to announce your arrival!
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Typically 14 or more over is where you get busted around here. Except just a couple weeks ago a local PD clocked me at 61 in a 45, (my speedo said 65) and all he did was tell me "slow down, this isnt a freeway!"
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Hey guys, whats up?

I took the bike into work today (work at a bar; no I didnt drink) and decided I would take the highway home (because it is 3 am and there is hardly anybody on the highway that late)

My plan of attack was to stay in front/behind of any pack of cars at all times. If I saw a car coming down a on-ramp, I sped up to make sure I was well in front of him before they actually merged onto the highway.

Anyway, I was doing about an average of 8 or so over. Noticed a car coming up on me REAL quick (10+ over the speed limit). It was a State trooper in a charger. He went right by me, didn't even put on brake lights or nothing. I was going at least 8 over the speed limit.

Do you guys find that bikes are allowed more lee-way with speed limits or something?
No, but troopers do occasionally get calls that are way more important than a bike going 8 mph over the speed limit.
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Typically 14 or more over is where you get busted around here.
California has (or had) a law restricting the highway patrol from issuing radar or aircraft tickets unless a vehicle exceeded +10 over limit so they couldn't use it to set up speed traps. City PD can set up the radar traps, but CHP can't.
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Years ago, I heard of someone being pulled over in California for doing the speed limit. They were told to either run with traffic (75-80) or get off the freeway, they were creating a dangerous situation.
I think that's an urban legend, nobody has been pulled over for doing the speed limit. Maybe if they are going 55 in the left lane. They might get told to move right. I used to drive an old Plymouth Valiant that sounded like it was going to blow up at 65 mph so I often cruised at 55 mph (speed limit was 65) in the right lanes. Only once did a CHP pull alongside and clock me then took off without even a look.
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A lot of cops don't look twice at someone doing 8 over in any vehicle. Plus, if you were drunk at that time you probably would have not been speeding (most people think if they try and drive perfect they will have no reason to get pulled over and it is safe to drive).

Allison, here you can get a ticket for any amount over. I know our pre-defined tickets start from 6-10mph over the limit but there are some cities that write tickets for 1-2 over for "safety" reasons.
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You shouldn't make general statements when there are 50 different states.

Ohio has no points and minimal fees for speeding less than 5 mph over the limit. BUT I have heard of someone getting a ticket for 3 mph over. If a cop is in a bad mood or has a quota....

Many cops won't bother with a little higher speed on a lightly traveled highway in the middle of the night. OTOH, there is always the exception.

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Yeah, you can Google your state "Revised Statutes" regarding "speeding." Generally the law is written so that there is no fine specified for 10 MPH over the limit. Fines are mandated in 5 or 10 MPH increments. 11 mph to 15 mph over gets you a specified citation. 16 to 20 gets you another fine. 21 t0 25 gets you a specified fine. 26 to 30, a fine. 30 mph or more is classed as "reckless driving" -- a misdemeanor which will get you arrested and jailed.

Oregon has a "Basic Rule" clause in the speed limit: "Motorists must drive in a reasonable and prudent manner." -- 8 mph over can be "reasonable and prudent" at 3 AM on a deserted highway. By the same token, driving AT the speed limit in a dense fog or on icy roads will get you ticketed.

Police get to drive at pretty any speed they see "appropriate." (reasonable/prudent) They're not required to observe the speed limit, which allows them to catch up to traffic on the highway ahead of them.

I routinely set my cruise control on the open hwy for about 7 or 8 mph over the posted speed. 10 mph might get you "lighted up" by the constabulary, but 7 or 8 gets tolerated. (You can always explain that you have an over-sized tired on the rig and that makes your speedometer read "low" compared to your actual speed. (And you'll get cited anyway.)
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I assume that if I am going 6 or more over I am getting a ticket if a cop clocks me. Its very easy to speed on that motorcycle. And you are right, release of the throttle will take 73 to 61 almost instantly with out touching the brake.

thank for hte input guys. Im just gonna assume he had better things to do then chase a bike down an open highway at 330 am
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I assume that if I am going 6 or more over I am getting a ticket if a cop clocks me.
I'm not sure there is anything that we can assume other than that we are pretty safe if not exceeding the posted limit ;-) and fairly safe at 3-4 over. The more you push it, the higher the risk. That's why I like cruise control when appropriate.

IMO it's also a problem that many cycle speedometers are difficult to quickly read with a glance. I wish they would make the 35-70 range more readable and skip the 120-180 mph range!

I did get pulled over this past spring doing 53 in a 40. The cop was very pleasant and just gave me a written warning

Here locally, cops are about non existent except on a couple of major state highways. Beyond that, many of the local roads are difficult to exceed the speed limit (very curvy, lane and a half, no shoulder, 10' drop offs).

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Okay...Old fart alert! SLOW DOWN! Your a newbie and yeah I hear you about riding in clean air, but what the hay! You've got a lot going on without worrying about speeding.

Alert over.

My bike reads 10% over the indicated speed. I've got a zumo that confirms that. 99% of the time if you keep the speed under 10mph over the speed limit you are okay. Good on ya for seeing the leo come up on you in your rear view mirror too. Shows you are riding heads up.
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Yep, Honda speedos usually read about 10% slow. You probably weren't speeding.
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Yep, Honda speedos usually read about 10% slow. You probably weren't speeding.
It is not wise to trust such generalizations. The speedometer on my 2009 Honda Goldwing is within 1 mph of what the GPS indicates.
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It is not wise to trust such generalizations. The speedometer on my 2009 Honda Goldwing is within 1 mph of what the GPS indicates.
That's not a wing. Honda doesn't need their car speedos to lie to meet noise or emissions standards. But a lot of their street bikes do. Google it.
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...Honda doesn't need their car speedos to lie to meet noise or emissions standards. But a lot of their street bikes do. Google it.
So that's the reason! Sounds plausible enough.

Going up a front tire size will bring the speedo more inline with triangulation speed.
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Oops, after reading my last post I just noticed that it looks like I called the Goldwing a car. It wasn't intentional I haven't had my Monster yet.
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... I haven't had my Monster yet.

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No, but a lot of people tell me I'm full of Bull.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:11 AM   #39
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Whether its a monstor, rockstar, or bull, they all make us question the accuracy of our speedos!
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Had a trooper pull me over for going 10 over a posted 65 limit he gave me a warning and said he usually would let anything under 10 slide.
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