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Old 05-05-2011, 01:07 PM   #1
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I've been doing a lot of research to buy a used bike. I have always stayed away from any sale that the bike does not have a title. Is there a way to get a new title for a bike properly? I am in New Jersey.
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Old 05-05-2011, 01:08 PM   #2
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Sometimes, but its not worth the hassle
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Old 05-05-2011, 03:24 PM   #3
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You may not have the paper but, unless the bike was smuggled into this country, there is a title registration somewhere in the DMV computer for your VIN. In any case, the bike belongs to somebody and that somebody has to sell it to you. Depending on the state where you reside, a bill of sale signed (and sometimes notarized) by the seller is enough. In other states, you will need the owner to sign a request for a duplicate title form transferring the ownership to you. With the bill of sale and the duplicated title form request (if required) go to the DMV and register the bike.
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Not necessarily the case. That bike could have switched hands 5 times without being registered, so the person you are buying the bike from with a bill of sale is and never was the legal owner, so a bill of sale means nothing. That or it could just be outright stolen.
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:05 PM   #5
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You can get a bonded title, but it's a huge hastle, and it's going to cost you an extra couple $100 depending on the value of the bike. Then the original owner can still step up and say thats my bike, and then your chit out of luck.
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Old 05-05-2011, 04:49 PM   #6
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Not necessarily the case. That bike could have switched hands 5 times without being registered, so the person you are buying the bike from with a bill of sale is and never was the legal owner, so a bill of sale means nothing. That or it could just be outright stolen.
You are right. When I mentioned a signed bill of sale I was referring to the official owner according to the DMV records. If the bike changed hands a few times it was only a change of riders. The owner remained the same.
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Old 05-05-2011, 05:19 PM   #7
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Not necessarily the case. That bike could have switched hands 5 times without being registered, so the person you are buying the bike from with a bill of sale is and never was the legal owner, so a bill of sale means nothing. That or it could just be outright stolen.
I think generally that is true ,but Alabama only requires a Bill of Sale to register a bike, IIRC. My Savage came from Dothan, AL, and that is what I remember (the title was lost, but the PO eventually got a duplicate from the state), but I did get a title with it so the point was moot for me. Plus, I needed that title because I was registering the bike in Florida. There may be other states that allow a bill of sale to register a bike; but I really don't know which, if any, others.

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Old 06-17-2011, 11:30 AM   #8
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If the bike is old enough you might be able to get an antique title off a bill of sale.
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Old 06-23-2011, 01:23 AM   #9
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There are different hoops to jump through for each state. Call your local DMV. They will get you through to a special cases title person. Just found out today what is required in WI. Sending pictures in of bike, sending in bill of sale, statment of how bike was received, Officer has to come to the house to verify VIN. Surity bond insurance must be had for 5 years after title is given. This is in case title holder shows up, you still keep the bike, but the other title holder still gets something.
Bottom line, they want you to title and register the bike and then register it again and again and again. They just wanna make sure its not stolen, salvage vehical, wrecked, flood damaged ect ect...
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Old 06-23-2011, 11:42 PM   #10
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No title, no bike. It does vary by state but ask yourself that if the bike was ever stolen at some point, do you want to take the risk of being stuck with stolen property after paying hundreds of dollars. Also if someone ever shows up with the title while you are waiting, they can take the bike from you legally and there is nothing you can do. Even free I wouldn't take a bike with no title.
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Old 11-09-2011, 03:02 PM   #11
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My general rule is to not buy a bike/vehicle without a title. Its a hassle in Oregon. I have a 73 CB500 that was given to me with no title. My buddy says he lost it. Funny part is that it has California plate and registration. When I call the Cal DMV, they claim to have no record of it by VIN or plate number. I also checked into getting a replacement title though a title service and it was going to cost about $400.00. Glad I didn't pay anything for the bike.
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Old 11-09-2011, 03:08 PM   #12
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I went through a title hassle when trying to buy a green 650R a while back (this whole story is how I ended up with the blue one I later wrecked). I wasn't totally familiar with the rules involved with buying and selling, so when he presented me with the title, which had the previous owner's name on it, I THOUGHT it would be ok. I found out after standing in line for 30 minutes that there was yet another name attached to the VIN, and that I couldn't buy the bike until the guy I was buying it from came in and paid the sales tax on it and titled it over to himself. Needless to say, I drove straight back to his house and got my money back. Before I was done, I'd spend an entire day on this deal and ended up buying another 650R from someone else. On the bright side...the one I ended up with was blue, and in better shape for the same money. :-)

It's just not worth the hassle. If there is no title, you won't be sure of the bike's background until you attempt to title it, and if everyone before you didn't have their ducks in a row, you may not even be able to do it at all. Now, I ask to see the title, and the seller's state ID.
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:53 AM   #13
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Alabama requires the title and an inspection if the bike came from another state. If you have a bill-of-sale, you can apply for a lost title bond, (1/3 of the value for 3 years) and the state will re-issue you a title. Bond premiums are usually $100/year. In short a really big pain in the ASS. 30+ yo bikes qualify for flatrate tags as 'Vintage".

I have sworn, no more non-running bikes and no more Non-titled bikes.

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Old 11-20-2011, 04:01 AM   #14
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Where do you live? Here in GA, all you need is a bill of sale if it's more than 25 years old. Then all you have to do is get it insured and they take a look at the VIN at the tag office.
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Old 05-27-2012, 09:18 PM   #16
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I'm going through the title battle now. In the end we're getting a duplicate to sell it.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:44 PM   #17
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If a loan for a bike has been defaulted on the title wont be released from the bank either. Some people around here do that then sell the bike to a shop the chops them up for parts, or does some sort of surgical removal of the serials and trades them out for others that are legit.
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Old 06-06-2012, 01:44 PM   #18
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Has anyone used salvage title to register a bike and I live in pa to so every little thing sucks
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Old 06-06-2012, 08:27 PM   #19
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Haven't been around it for years. When I was you needed to do the reconstruction paperwork and have it inspected by a certified reconstruction mechanic to register it .
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:41 PM   #20
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Haven't been around it for years. When I was you needed to do the reconstruction paperwork and have it inspected by a certified reconstruction mechanic to register it .
someone was just telling me about this today, and here it cost $250, not sure if that included inspection or just new title, but i think maybe both seems like alot of money
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Old 06-14-2012, 09:17 AM   #21
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^^ Yea I could see $100. On the paperwork thru a notary and the fee I was quoted on a trailer would have been $150. for the inspection.
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Old 06-16-2012, 05:39 AM   #22
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Two things to ALWAYS stay away from when buying a vehicel, No Title, and Salvage Title. They are never worth the hassel. The only way I will get a No Title vehicle is if the seller will pay for the price of a new title and do the paper work, then I will pay the remainder of the price of the vehicle once the title is in my hands. It took my almost two months to get a replacement title for the Jeep I sold, due to the fact that it was lost during hurricane katrina. Cost me $80 for the title and $25 to notarized the paperwork the title company sent me. I was luck and still had the info for the Notary Office I used in New Orleans was still open and had the records of them titling the vehicle for me years before.
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Thats what this guy does only is salvage because he gets them cheap and having a father that is a dealer he said makes it easier.
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:33 AM   #24
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I don't know if I would say never. Depending on what you paid for them you could part them out and make money. But depending on damage and cost they still can be worthy for road use.
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Usually when something has a salvage title is because soemthing happened to it that the insurance company wanted to total it and the owner bought it back, or it was pulled out of a junkyard and fixed.
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I agree a little bit with your post. I would differ and say most salvage titles go to auction and are purchased there for either yards/parts or repair/reconstruction purposes. I would say most are purchased for parts. Some could have bolt on/off parts that were damaged to be totaled and a much easier fix than others.
If purchasing one I would want to see before pictures of the vehicle. Also it would have to be from a reputable business.
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Anothe thing about Salvage Titles, some insurance companies wont insure them, and if the do it is a lot more expensive.
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Not sure on bikes, but for cars it's not all that hard in some states. I've bought a number of Jeeps off craigslist over the years without titles and as long as I've had a clean bill of sale it's been fine. I've just had my insurance company run VIN numbers to make sure they're legit, not stolen, ect prior to buying. I also won't pay cash in those situations. Post office money orders only since they can be tracked and verified.
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Not sure on bikes, but for cars it's not all that hard in some states. I've bought a number of Jeeps off craigslist over the years without titles and as long as I've had a clean bill of sale it's been fine. I've just had my insurance company run VIN numbers to make sure they're legit, not stolen, ect prior to buying. I also won't pay cash in those situations. Post office money orders only since they can be tracked and verified.
NJ is insane! I bought a 2000 KLR last year, the two previous owners did not title it, the original owner signed the title in the wrong place, on the line where the lien holder would sign and the lien holder signed by the owner. Motor Vehicle in NJ would not accept this, I was like it is a 11 year old bike that has not been registered for the past 5 years, the lien holder signed as well as the previous owner. I think their intent was to sell the bike.
I spent 2 months tracking those two individuals down, had to pay the last titled owner $100 to come to MV with me. fortunately he lived locally.
I finally found him after I had given up, I put his name in the search box on Facebook and that is how I was able to get him to help me.
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Hello all, Ok so heres what i have,,a guy was selling a bike and said he will get the title,so i bought it,like a fool i know,so 2 days went by and i called him to see where the title is,he told me no luck,so i ran the vin# with police dept. to make sure it wasnt reported stolen,which it wasnt,so then i told the guy bring my cash back and take the bike,no luck with that,then i got a P.I. that run the vin and got the title owner,here to find out the guy that sold me the bike still owed the title owner a balance,and never paid it,i know guys this is a wreck,im just wanting to hear from you what my options are,thanks.
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How much is owed on the bike? Sounds like you spent a few bucks already. Is the titled owner willing to work a deal, he gets some of the money and you loose a little more. I know that is a Loose loose deal, but its worth a shot.
Not sure but you and the title holder may be able to pursue this in small claims court.
If you know a lawyer you may be able to get him to write a letter that will possibly shake a little cash out of a shady character. My guess is he has some big money problems and possibly addictions that may have taken priority over doing a honest deal. Not sure if this is a police matter, but you may want to go back to the police and see if there is anything they could help you with. The seller did misrepresent the deal.
Sorry to hear that you got such a raw deal!
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I have the title owner telling me that he doesnt want the bike back,and the title doesnt mean much anymore,kinda got the feeling that hes wanting to move on,we shall see..i still feel that im gonna get the short end of this.
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Ok,so now the title owner is saying he wants to run this by his attorney,and i was told by the title owner that the guy that sold me the bike got the bike impounded and he(the title owner) went and paid for the bike to be released and gave the guy back the bike that day...wtf????? and 2 months later this guy sells me the bike..Any thoughts?
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Sorry Klrlindy, the title owner wasnt sure how much was owed,he said hed have to look.
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Sorry Klrlindy, the title owner wasnt sure how much was owed,he said hed have to look.
Hopefully it won't be too much. Then, you simply pay the title holder what he is owed, you get the title and a learn valuable lesson.

And we get to learn a lesson through you.
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Hopefully it won't be too much. Then, you simply pay the title holder what he is owed, you get the title and a learn valuable lesson.

And we get to learn a lesson through you.
EXACTLY! I WISH YOU THE BEST!
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Hey guys,well its been 2 loooooooooong days of waiting to hear from the title owner on what hes wanting to do,and i guess ill keep looking at this bike sitting in my garage wishing to just ride,lol.Sure is depressing.Thank you for your help.
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Keep bugging him!! Keep after both of them dont be afraid to become a problem, sometimes it is necessary!
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Yeah Klrlindy63,just put another call to the title owner hes waiting for his buisness attouney to get back to him on what he should do....this sucks,,,lesson learned...ill never do this crap again.i should be riding ummm, like in the summer of 2017..
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Hang in there and at em! It took me 3 months to get my title straightened out.
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