Chick-fil-A

[OTD]

Someone..... Give the big guy a sam damwich!!!!!

[zmago]

A nice watercress sandwich with a side of sliced cucumbers.

[OTD]

Originally Posted by OTD

I just thought of one. A family member (Not immediate) with a drug problem. Aren't you for the legalization of recreational drugs?

I stand corrected, I see on the tweakers Facebook page he has a construction job and he's leaving for Tampa, Florida.

[Dodsfall]

I wonder if Chick-Fil-A had Muslim ownership, and was called say Chick-Fil-Affel, and the president of the company was interviewed Al Jazeera and stated his opposition to gay marriage, if there would have been a protest.

I think not.

[primalmu]

Interesting read...

http://www.alternet.org/activism/7-t...aga?page=0%2C0

[robow]

Complaining about 6$ an hour in the mid-90's??? In 2002 minimum wage was 5.15 and that is what I made. He got punished by having to scrub mold?? For 6 bucks an hour I would have already done that and been looking for other jobs to do. Sorry but that section of the article seemed to discredit him.

[goalie]

Article sounds like its written by someone who is pissed that she had to work at a fastfood joint while in high school.

[OTD]

Yeah, a bunch of whining in that article. You're not gonna get any sympathy here for having to work. I had to clean comodes in the grocery store I worked in and mop floors, for $2.80 an hour.
"Oh woe is me!!!!"

I feel dirty for even visiting that P.O.S. site.

[twowheelin]

I don't think people so mcuh have a an issue with their views... but the CEo was an idiot to publicly comment on them. I feel bad for his PR team.

[twowheelin]

haha, because you know, everyone else has awesome jobs in high school

[HotButt]

eww chickfila tastes so bad.
Id never eat there

[z9nine]

Cbdallas probably had the single best response to why people are no longer eating at Chik-fil-a.

I would like to expand on the ludicrous picture posted in the OP. No one can feasibly not buy gas and not support the middle east and THEIR ways of thinking, bombing them into submission quite obviously does not work they, on their own, must evolve their way of thinking.

This is not a free speech issue either, this is me, and others, not wanting our money to go to hate groups that this so called christian donates to.

[OTD]

Yeah.. Yeah.... Hate the Christians, ignore the Muslims.
S.S.D.D.

[Dodsfall]

Originally Posted by OTD

Yeah.. Yeah.... Hate the Christians, ignore the Muslims.
S.S.D.D.

The hypocrisy almost to the point of ridiculousness.

If a Christian doesn't agree with what constitutes a marriage, they are shouted down, protested, their property is vandalized, they are physically attacked, and they are labeled as hate groups and worse.

Many Muslim countries execute homosexuals on a regular basis, to the point of wiping them out completely (Iran and Palestine), but are either ignored or actually supported by the same people.

It's simply anti-Christian bigotry at work, and gay couples are being exploited to further those ends.

[OTD]

Originally Posted by Dodsfall

The hypocrisy almost to the point of ridiculousness.

If a Christian doesn't agree with what constitutes a marriage, they are shouted down, protested, their property is vandalized, they are physically attacked, and they are labeled as hate groups and worse.

Many Muslim countries execute homosexuals on a regular basis, to the point of wiping them out completely (Iran and Palestine), but are either ignored or actually supported by the same people.

It's simply anti-Christian bigotry at work, and gay couples are being exploited to further those ends.

What, are you saying a person who shuns a whole group because of a few bad apples, yet fails to see the overall good of said group, is a bigot?

big·ot·ry/ˈbigətrē/Noun: Bigoted attitudes; intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

Why yes... I guess they are.

[cbdallas]

The Christians aren't shouted down & protested against because of their beliefs, they're shouted down & protested against because they're taking action that attempts to remove a certain group's civil rights. They can gripe & moan about gay marriage all they like...that's free speech. But when they actually go out and try to force legislation & public opinion to prevent a certain group from enjoying the same rights that the rest of America enjoys, they can plan on continually being protested against.

The hypocrisy comes into play when self-proclaimed Christians start spreading hate & bigotry because of their own personal beliefs & feelings on any particular subject, which flies in the face of everything Christ taught.

[Dodsfall]

Originally Posted by cbdallas

The Christians aren't shouted down & protested against because of their beliefs, they're shouted down & protested against because they're taking action that attempts to remove a certain group's civil rights. They can gripe & moan about gay marriage all they like...that's free speech. But when they actually go out and try to force legislation & public opinion to prevent a certain group from enjoying the same rights that the rest of America enjoys, they can plan on continually being protested against.

The hypocrisy comes into play when self-proclaimed Christians start spreading hate & bigotry because of their own personal beliefs & feelings on any particular subject, which flies in the face of everything Christ taught.

Free speech, freedom to (peacefully) protest, and to petition the government for legislation are great rights to have no matter which side of an issue someone is on.

Trying to shut down the opposition by not allowing a business they happen to own in a locality, sending death threats and bomb threats, physical violence, intimidating patrons, and vandalizing property are not covered in those rights.


A couple of questions:

Why is expressing an opinion on the issue of what constitutes an marriage and even supporting legislation to define marriage one way or the other considered hate?

What civil rights exactly are being denied to anyone?

[cbdallas]

Interesting that you have paid no mind to all the non-peaceful protesting that's occurred outside of the gay-straight arena, but when gays do it (not condoning it, by the way) you suddenly stand up, take notice and start itemizing. Why is this outbreak of violence any better or worse than what any other group has done in the past? The bombing of abortion clinics? The bombing of mosques & intimidation of Muslims? All done by heterosexual Christians. Oh, but wait...Christians get a pass on this stuff, so..nevermind.

All heterosexual couples have the right to legally marry, while the same right is being denied to same-sex couples. To me, that is a blatant violation of the civil rights of a specific group of people, but because Christians find the thought of men being with men repulsive, they're just going to do everything they can to make it illegal. My question is...why the hell do they care who marries who? What possible difference is my marriage to another man making in their lives? There is no legal precedent for it, they're not hurting anyone nor are they causing anyone undue hardship, which leads to only one conclusion.....they're fighting against it because of their own personal beliefs. The personal beliefs of a group of people has no place in American Government. Forcing your personal beliefs on someone else, whether it be through violence or legislation is the very definition of hate.

And please don't even waste the energy it would require to add the immensely stupid argument about people marrying their dogs or marrying underage children. We're talking about two consenting adults who aren't hurting anyone.

[Dodsfall]

Originally Posted by cbdallas

Interesting that you have paid no mind to all the non-peaceful protesting that's occurred outside of the gay-straight arena, but when gays do it (not condoning it, by the way) you suddenly stand up, take notice and start itemizing. Why is this outbreak of violence any better or worse than what any other group has done in the past? The bombing of abortion clinics? The bombing of mosques & intimidation of Muslims?

The personal beliefs of a group of people has no place in American Government. Forcing your personal beliefs on someone else, whether it be through violence or legislation is the very definition of hate.

And please don't even waste the energy it would require to add the immensely stupid argument about people marrying their dogs or marrying underage children. We're talking about two consenting adults who aren't hurting anyone.

I've never condoned that type of violence from anyone, either verbally or in writing. It's very offensive to me to assume that I am an apologist for violent acts against gays just because I didn't bring up past grievances which are not within the scope of what I am talking about here. It's also very prejudicial to assume you know my position on the issue. (Which I have also never stated in writing if you look carefully)

Talking about marriage without stupid arguments with non-consenting minors or animals, would you support:

1) Polygamy?
2) Marriage between people who are already married to other people? (with or without their consent)
3) Marriage between first cousins?
4) Marriage between brothers and sisters? (over the age of 18)
5) Marriage between parents and children? (over the age of 18)
6) Marriage between grandparents and grandchildren? (over the age of 18)

And finally, does that make you a member of a hate group just because you have a differing opinion than those who may want to define some of the above unions as legal?

[cbdallas]

OMG, you went there anyway. Why does gay marriage always have to lead to a direct referral to other forms of marriage that have nothing to do with gays wanting to get married? Your arument is not a valid argument. We're not talking about cousins, grandchildren, brothers, sisters or any of that, but since it's very nearly the only argument the religious right has against gay marriage that doesn't involve personal feelings toward the matter, I'll leave you to wonder "what atrocity is next? I expected more from you.

Nevermind.

[calebh]

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

[Dodsfall]

Originally Posted by cbdallas

OMG, you went there anyway. Why does gay marriage always have to lead to a direct referral to other forms of marriage that have nothing to do with gays wanting to get married? Your arument is not a valid argument. We're not talking about cousins, grandchildren, brothers, sisters or any of that, but since it's very nearly the only argument the religious right has against gay marriage that doesn't involve personal feelings toward the matter, I'll leave you to wonder "what atrocity is next? I expected more from you.

Nevermind.

You failed to answer the question.

People are entitled to their own opinion on what should constitute a marriage. They should also be free to petition the government to recognize their views on the matter, regardless of what their opinions are and be free from illegal intimidation.

Why would gays wanting to get married be any more or less important than polygamists or anyone else that currently isn't able to legally marry who they want? And just because someone doesn't agree, why does that mean they are a member of a hate group?

[Dodsfall]

Originally Posted by calebh

http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

You missed the point I was making. I'm not arguing a slippery slope theory, or even if gay marriage is right or wrong or should be legal or not.

I'm bringing up the fact that it's seen as "hate" to disagree with someone's personal definition of marriage, which I feel is ridiculous on it's face.

I feel gay people should have every right that everyone else has, and should be able to petition to change laws that match their personal wishes toward marriage. Some will be opposed to the idea, but that doesn't mean that they hate just because their opinion is different.

[cbdallas]

Who exactly listed the types of marriage by their importance? You're asking a question about a resolution that I never offered.

The gays are fighting for gay marriage. Nobody mentiononed polygamists, pedophiles, etc. Let THEM fight for THEIR right to marry. The gays have enough on their plates.

Of course I don't condone violence as a method of getting a group's voice heard, but as I'm not responsible for every gay on the planet, my only response to that is "some people's kids". As far as people's entitlement to their own opinions, that knife cuts both ways, so when corporations stand up on their national podium and proclaim that "XX" is this company's position on "XX", they should be prepared for other voices to make themselves heard as well. But because they gays are reacting, suddenly they're the loudmouths who are trying to stifle the freedom of speech. Again..the knife.

I find that when people start throwing around the polygamy and beastiality arguments as a "what's next if we give you what you want?", It becomes clear that the person I'm discussing it with has arrived at the point of 'reaching' and it's really no longer worth discussing, in my eyes. I'm bowing out now, because none of those issues has anything to do with what I'm fighting for.

Have a good one.

[OTD]

Well.... Dod I see your point.

[z9nine]

I just wanna point out that I HATE every religion. Every religious belief is based on violence and demeaning those who do not agree with the aspect of said religion. Every religious person bases their life on the teachings of mythical deities using them as an excuse to do good or evil. The wonderful thing about atheists is that we do good not because said mythical being told us to for fear of eternal damnation, we do it because it is pretty much the right thing to do, we do it for the betterment of the human race.

Now that is not saying that there are no evil atheists out there, but the great thing about them is that that don't justify their horrendous claims by playing the mythical deity card like religious people do. They are just screwed up human beings.

[Castle81]

Originally Posted by z9nine

I just wanna point out that I HATE every religion. Every religious belief is based on violence and demeaning those who do not agree with the aspect of said religion. Every religious person bases their life on the teachings of mythical deities using them as an excuse to do good or evil. The wonderful thing about atheists is that we do good not because said mythical being told us to for fear of eternal damnation, we do it because it is pretty much the right thing to do, we do it for the betterment of the human race.

Now that is not saying that there are no evil atheists out there, but the great thing about them is that that don't justify their horrendous claims by playing the mythical deity card like religious people do. They are just screwed up human beings.

Prejudice takes many forms. All are abhorrent.

You do not know me. You do not know how I live my life, or anything about my character. And yet, because I am a person of faith, you have decided these things about me. Way to better the human race.

Wanna know a secret? You're a person of faith too. See, it's not faith vs. no faith. It's faith in something vs. faith in the absence of something. Both sides preach, both sides seek converts, both sides actively engage the other in varying levels of hostility. Both sides act quite silly at times. Neither can ever prove their case. Can't put God in a box. It's really really hard to disprove the existence of...well...anything.

And when one side starts prattling on with prejudiced biases about the other's character, does it really matter which side it comes from?

[ralphlong]

Originally Posted by z9nine

I just wanna point out that I HATE every religion. Every religious belief is based on violence and demeaning those who do not agree with the aspect of said religion. Every religious person bases their life on the teachings of mythical deities using them as an excuse to do good or evil. The wonderful thing about atheists is that we do good not because said mythical being told us to for fear of eternal damnation, we do it because it is pretty much the right thing to do, we do it for the betterment of the human race.

Now that is not saying that there are no evil atheists out there, but the great thing about them is that that don't justify their horrendous claims by playing the mythical deity card like religious people do. They are just screwed up human beings.

As a Christian, I do not do good because Christ TELLS me to, I do good because I WANT to and I want to be more like Christ. He is the ideal that I aspire too, not my boss. There is a difference.

[z9nine]

There you go, skewing what I said. I said RELIGIOUS people, I am pretty damn sure I never used the word FAITH. If you blindly follow religion that you are shoved in the box I spelled out. When it comes to religion, you either believe it all, or you are not a true follower of said religion. You can not pick and choose what to follow, in polite company you may say what you think would be the correct thing to say. But, if you are truly a religious person you cannot truthfully say that.

For one to be truly religious you must blindly follow, without question, and give up you free thought. Religion is spelled out in a way that you are stripped of free thought and free will, to follow correctly all thought and decision is dictated by what ever mythical deity you follow, if you don't you are threatened with eternal damnation. You are no longer allowed to try and interpret the writings. they are the word of said mythical deity and must be treated as truth. To question it, is to question your deity, thus going against their will, going against their will shows free thought and free will, thus you are threatened with eternal damnation. You are no longer doing what is right because it is right, you are doing what is right for fear of damnation. However, if what is right is against your religion then you must decide if doing what is right is worth your damnation, that does not show a loving deity, but if you follow the deity you are inherently evil.

I am not knocking your character, though I should be, I am pointing out how religion cannot be truly good.

Ralph, you do not do good because christ tell you to, you do it out of fear. Even the chrisitan religion DEMANDS that you fear god, if you believe in your religion, then you believe in the holy trinity, thus christ is god and you must fear him.

[ralphlong]

Originally Posted by z9nine

Ralph, you do not do good because christ tell you to, you do it out of fear. Even the chrisitan religion DEMANDS that you fear god, if you believe in your religion, then you believe in the holy trinity, thus christ is god and you must fear him.

Z9, yes I fear Christ, but the definition of fear in this case is to respect or desire to be like. It is an uncommon definition, I will admit, but it is the correct definition in this case.

How can I be afraid of someone who loves me unconditionally?

[Castle81]

Nevermind. One cannot have a rational conversation with someone who is an expert in something they know nothing about.

"You're like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn't there."

[OTD]

As OP, I would like to keep this on topic. I do not wish to read Z9nine's misconception's on Christianity. Or I may ask it locked.

[z9nine]

First off it is not a misconception, I was raised in a very christian household, I was a preachers kid, forced to read the bible every night before bed, told I was a dirty sinner daily and had to beg to be "saved" from hell, forced to fear hell if I was a bad person. I know how religion works, I know what type of brainwashing goes into it. I am better person for learning to think for myself.

Second, the subject of christianity directly aligns with this topic. If you cannot see that then you know not of what you speak

Third, Ralph, if it was truly unconditional why is there a hell in your belief.

I know it is futile to show the short falls of ALL RELIGIONS to those that follow blindly. I am done with this as I will only resort to personal attacks from here on out. It takes more than just saying you follow a RELIGION to truly follow it. It takes a 100% dedication to every single word to truly follow, if you truly follow any religion it is full of hate.

[OTD]

Well, the Christian did as I ask. But you are in so much torment caused by your athiest beliefs (or disbeliefs) that you can only truly be happy if others feel your pain.
I asked please abide.

[rexmitchell]

Oh this topic.......I will say this, it was a man's opinion, nothing more nothing less. He is entitled to it like anyone else is. The fact this has been blown this out of proportion is comical. Everyone has a right to free speech until another group disagrees then they are an A-hole for what they said. The topic doesn't matter, the group of people doesn't matter. Keep this civil or I'm shutting it down.

[Castle81]

Humor me this once, OTD, and then I'll let it be.

Z, you suffered a lot at the hands of someone doing evil things in God's name. For that I am very sorry. I myself am not very good at being "religious" for these same reasons. So many at church are...misgiuded. Getting kicked out of churches for arguing with elders over things like this is disheartening. But i do hold my FAITH dear. Please understand, we are not all like your father.

It is not my place to condemn or judge anyone. That right is not given me. We are all given free will, and are free to make our own choices. And while i may not agree with someone's choices, i still respect them and love them. They are still people, after all.

I don't really get why gay marriage is such an issue. Seems to me like a lot of flag wavers getting bogged down in trivialities when they could be doing something...useful. Is gay a choice, or genetic, should they marry, should they adopt? It just goes on and on. How about, instead of endless debates, we volunteer or something. ANYTHING. BE PRODUCTIVE and a POSITIVE influence on the world. Me, I'm staying out of it. I have a life to live, and serving to do.

[OTD]

I need a little voice in my head, like the kid in the Shining, to prevent starting these kinds of threads.

So, I'm out.


Z9ine: We attended different churches. I don't know where all of that is coming from, but you are a bigot. And I feel for you because I don't know where you got your clouded views of Christ.

God Bless
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