No title bikes - Page 2

Ottocycle · 03-26-2013, 08:42 PM

After reading several forum posts, I am assuming that If I bought a storage locker that has been abandon and put up for auction, In the storage locker were 2 fully dressed Harley Davidson's that I would not be able to have new titles issued in my name even though I am legally the owner of the storage locker and all it's contents.
If this is the case what a horrific waste of two beautiful motorcycles. Seems to me that we need some changes in the laws for our motorcycles.

shiroun · 03-27-2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ottocycle

After reading several forum posts, I am assuming that If I bought a storage locker that has been abandon and put up for auction, In the storage locker were 2 fully dressed Harley Davidson's that I would not be able to have new titles issued in my name even though I am legally the owner of the storage locker and all it's contents.
If this is the case what a horrific waste of two beautiful motorcycles. Seems to me that we need some changes in the laws for our motorcycles.

You actually might be able to get new titles, but it would take some fanagling with. Namely that they're in the unit, and were there prior to buying it. You should be able to go to a DMV and explain the situation, and get the bikes in your name.

Klrlindy63 · 03-27-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shiroun

You actually might be able to get new titles, but it would take some fanagling with. Namely that they're in the unit, and were there prior to buying it. You should be able to go to a DMV and explain the situation, and get the bikes in your name.

Highly unlikely! You will have to first prove that you are a legal owner, and prove there are no current liens on the motorcycles.
I doubt very much that will say,"ohh Okay, here's your new title". They will want a paper trail a blind man can follow!

ralphlong · 03-27-2013, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Klrlindy63

Highly unlikely! You will have to first prove that you are a legal owner, and prove there are no current liens on the motorcycles.
I doubt very much that will say,"ohh Okay, here's your new title". They will want a paper trail a blind man can follow!

Correct. It's like a house. You are going to have to a title search.

shiroun · 03-28-2013, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Klrlindy63

Highly unlikely! You will have to first prove that you are a legal owner, and prove there are no current liens on the motorcycles.
I doubt very much that will say,"ohh Okay, here's your new title". They will want a paper trail a blind man can follow!

They can pull up the papertrail via the bikes serial number (holy crap I forget the actual name for it, sorry). As long as the name on the bikes matches the owner on the storage unit, shouldn't it not be a problem?

(I'm just devils advocate here, not entirely sure on the logistics of it)

Klrlindy63 · 03-29-2013, 10:15 PM

That wont clear the title, they will want to see proof from the owner, my understanding is that trying to get it done as abandoned property is near impossible and very costly.
I bought a 01 KLR, the two previous owners did not title the bike, the last title holder had paid off the lien.
However the last lien holder and owner signed in the wrong places, NJ MVC would not accept the title, although one would think that how both signatures were present, the bike did not come back as stolen so that their intent was clear. NOT SO. It took me a month to track both the last title holder and lien holder down, drove to the lien holders house to have him sign a letter declaring that he longer had any ownership claim to the bike, I then had to track down the previous owner, finally found him on FB, Had to offer him $100 and hour to meet me at NJ MVC to sign the new title over to me in their presence. It cost me $200, plus back taxes to clear the title. Going forward, as if I flip a motorcycle, I will no longer buy a bike without a clear title, and only buy it from the title holder.
I use to flip the old hondas, and it was easy to title them if I didnt have one, because many were not in the system. I use to send the info and $50 to a company in New Hampshire, get a clean title and then title it in NJ, however 20 years later it is a very costly and difficult process. I would imagine that you would have to run legal notices and the such to clear the titles on bikes purchased in a storage locker. Then have to prove that they were truly abandoned, and I would imagine that the storage facility owner would have to be able to prove that it was the motorcycle owner that leased the locker and abandoned the property not some Joe Schmoe who stole the bikes and abandoned them there. I recently purchased a boat, the owner never registered the trailer as it was stored in a lake community, NJ will not register this trailer until I take it a State trailer inspector who will declare that it is not a stolen trailer, for a fee of course.
I work in banking, and anything that can potentially have a lien on it will cause everyone to slow down, dot the i's and cross their t's, as it has to be clear as day and then some that the lien has been released or never existed.
Sorry but when it comes to government, common sense just does not exist!
I like the devils advocate thing, it makes everyone think!

Critter · 03-30-2013, 01:10 PM

I think it is different in every state, but as everyone has said very difficult.

03-26-2013, 08:42 PM	#41
Ottocycle Registered Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Orlando, Kissimmee Area Posts: 2	Titles & Storage Lockers After reading several forum posts, I am assuming that If I bought a storage locker that has been abandon and put up for auction, In the storage locker were 2 fully dressed Harley Davidson's that I would not be able to have new titles issued in my name even though I am legally the owner of the storage locker and all it's contents. If this is the case what a horrific waste of two beautiful motorcycles. Seems to me that we need some changes in the laws for our motorcycles.

03-29-2013, 10:15 PM	#46
Klrlindy63 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 918	That wont clear the title, they will want to see proof from the owner, my understanding is that trying to get it done as abandoned property is near impossible and very costly. I bought a 01 KLR, the two previous owners did not title the bike, the last title holder had paid off the lien. However the last lien holder and owner signed in the wrong places, NJ MVC would not accept the title, although one would think that how both signatures were present, the bike did not come back as stolen so that their intent was clear. NOT SO. It took me a month to track both the last title holder and lien holder down, drove to the lien holders house to have him sign a letter declaring that he longer had any ownership claim to the bike, I then had to track down the previous owner, finally found him on FB, Had to offer him $100 and hour to meet me at NJ MVC to sign the new title over to me in their presence. It cost me $200, plus back taxes to clear the title. Going forward, as if I flip a motorcycle, I will no longer buy a bike without a clear title, and only buy it from the title holder. I use to flip the old hondas, and it was easy to title them if I didnt have one, because many were not in the system. I use to send the info and $50 to a company in New Hampshire, get a clean title and then title it in NJ, however 20 years later it is a very costly and difficult process. I would imagine that you would have to run legal notices and the such to clear the titles on bikes purchased in a storage locker. Then have to prove that they were truly abandoned, and I would imagine that the storage facility owner would have to be able to prove that it was the motorcycle owner that leased the locker and abandoned the property not some Joe Schmoe who stole the bikes and abandoned them there. I recently purchased a boat, the owner never registered the trailer as it was stored in a lake community, NJ will not register this trailer until I take it a State trailer inspector who will declare that it is not a stolen trailer, for a fee of course. I work in banking, and anything that can potentially have a lien on it will cause everyone to slow down, dot the i's and cross their t's, as it has to be clear as day and then some that the lien has been released or never existed. Sorry but when it comes to government, common sense just does not exist! I like the devils advocate thing, it makes everyone think! Last edited by Klrlindy63; 03-29-2013 at 10:24 PM..

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03-30-2013, 01:10 PM	#47
Critter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Baltimore Washington Corridor Posts: 795	I think it is different in every state, but as everyone has said very difficult.