Defective Jardine oil filter relocation kit

[Rebel53]

Last weekend I installed a Jardine oil filter relocation kit on my 2009 V-Star 1100 with only 2,259 miles on it. After I was done, took it for a little ride, everything seemed to work fine.

Next day, during a longer ride, there was a sudden screech and the engine stopped. The mechanic traced it to a fitting on one of the lines on the Jardine oil filter relocation kit that was not machined through. Diagnosis - oil starvation. The damages - $3,100 for a new front cylinder head, camshaft, camshaft gear, and all the related parts.

Anybody else run into this with Jardine? They won't return my calls, so I guess the lawyers fight it out.

[sanford]

Originally Posted by Rebel53

Last weekend I installed a Jardine oil filter relocation kit on my 2009 V-Star 1100 with only 2,259 miles on it. After I was done, took it for a little ride, everything seemed to work fine.

Next day, during a longer ride, there was a sudden screech and the engine stopped. The mechanic traced it to a fitting on one of the lines on the Jardine oil filter relocation kit that was not machined through. Diagnosis - oil starvation. The damages - $3,100 for a new front cylinder head, camshaft, camshaft gear, and all the related parts.

Anybody else run into this with Jardine? They won't return my calls, so I guess the lawyers fight it out.

man that sounds bad, hope that company does the right thing..not to their advantage to have that go public...good luck hope you solve it..

[Gandalf]

Yeah if they don't take care of you I'd definitely suggest giving this as much publicity as you can. Maybe write in to a couple motorcycle mags, etc. (Wouldn't hurt to let the company know that's what you're planning to do if they don't help you out, either.)

[Rebel53]

I was told this happened some months ago and they paid for the engine rebuild. But since they're not returning my calls, that's not a good sign. Either way, I want my ride back ASAP!

[DachshundUberAlles]

It would have died very quickly during the first ride if the fitting were not allowing oil to pass. This is NOT a problem that would have taken more than a couple of miles to appear.

[Eye_m_no_angel]

Originally Posted by DachshundUberAlles

It would have died very quickly during the first ride if the fitting were not allowing oil to pass. This is NOT a problem that would have taken more than a couple of miles to appear.

True that. It would have happened QUICK if there was no oil flow.

If there was partial flow? I don't know your engine, but generaly you'll hear thumping and knocking for awhile before it locks up, plus it will run very hot.

[Rebel53]

Dachsund and Eye, the mechanics showed me the oil filter, there is no oil in that filter except what I put on the gasket installing the filter. There was no oil flow, and the one line IS blocked, nothing was getting through the line. The "splash" from the sump is probably the only oil getting to any part of the engine, and that wouldn't be sufficient.

[kamesama980]

you'd be surprised how long some engines can last without fresh oil. When I was in school one of the teachers said a student in years past ran a toyota 22RE for 20 minutes without an oil pan (granted this was at idle on the rack)

Sometimes they make lots of noise, sometimes they don't.

[aaronrkelly]

Originally Posted by kamesama980

you'd be surprised how long some engines can last without fresh oil. When I was in school one of the teachers said a student in years past ran a toyota 22RE for 20 minutes without an oil pan (granted this was at idle on the rack)

Sometimes they make lots of noise, sometimes they don't.

I rode my Ural all the way to work (10 miles) and about half way back with no oil pressure. The pumps driven off the cam.....well, it should have been.

15 miles.....no oil pressure.....at 55 mph. Started making some noise near the end.....I thought hmmmm, you may need to do a valve adjustment......

.......then the rear wheel locked and I skidded to the shoulder.

****.

[markk53]

Originally Posted by Rebel53

Last weekend I installed a Jardine oil filter relocation kit on my 2009 V-Star 1100 with only 2,259 miles on it. After I was done, took it for a little ride, everything seemed to work fine.

Next day, during a longer ride, there was a sudden screech and the engine stopped. The mechanic traced it to a fitting on one of the lines on the Jardine oil filter relocation kit that was not machined through. Diagnosis - oil starvation. The damages - $3,100 for a new front cylinder head, camshaft, camshaft gear, and all the related parts.

Anybody else run into this with Jardine? They won't return my calls, so I guess the lawyers fight it out.

Get your documentation together, get with an attorney and have a letter drafted to Jardine by the attorney to indicate what is expected - aka you want them to take care of the damage their machining mistake caused and your legal fees. It is reasonable to do so. The thought is that they may recognize the fact that it will cost more to try to defend themselves against you than simply paying up. If that doesn't work obviously court is next.

[Eye_m_no_angel]

I should have added that I was referring to the type of engines I am familiar with. I have no idea of how another type would react to not having any oil pressure.

[Rebel53]

Got the bike back last night, runs great. Now the fun begins, trying to get my $3200 in repairs back.

[z9nine]

I know for a fact a motor can run a while with little or no oil. I had an old CJ5 with the 258 in it, that motor was notorious for the rear main leaking and burning oil.

I ran that motor out of oil, and drove it for about 10 to 15 miles back home, poured more oil in it and all was good. I ran it out of oil a few times. When I pulled the motor out the inards where bright and shiney with no abnormal wear and tear.

[sanford]

Originally Posted by z9nine

I know for a fact a motor can run a while with little or no oil. I had an old CJ5 with the 258 in it, that motor was notorious for the rear main leaking and burning oil.

I ran that motor out of oil, and drove it for about 10 to 15 miles back home, poured more oil in it and all was good. I ran it out of oil a few times. When I pulled the motor out the inards where bright and shiney with no abnormal wear and tear.

LOL when I was a kid had a bike that would seize up, took me 3 hours to get home, had to wait for engine to cool then go a few blocks and kept repeating
the cycle. In those days never knew what the word "service" was.

Eventually found a wrecked bike the same switched motors and sold to my friend for 100 dollars in 1967 or wherabouts...

[Bede5man]

Wow! My 1994 Toyota pickup will run 20 minutes without oil?!?

I love my 22-RE!!!

[Rebel53]

SUCCESS!!! The maker of the defective hose filed an insurance claim, which paid for the damages. Jardine's management balked at paying for the defective kit (which was their liability under the warranty); fortunately, Jardine Performance Products has been sold to a new firm that values it's customers, and they made good on the defective kit.

[aaronrkelly]

Damn that's good to hear.....

[krakhed]

Good to hear!

At least it was a happy ending...

[markk53]

Originally Posted by Rebel53

SUCCESS!!! The maker of the defective hose filed an insurance claim, which paid for the damages. Jardine's management balked at paying for the defective kit (which was their liability under the warranty); fortunately, Jardine Performance Products has been sold to a new firm that values it's customers, and they made good on the defective kit.

Brag them up a bit whenever you get the chance, it is too often the good things go unmentioned while the bad circulate for long long periods of time.