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I would like to thank my friend Jane, who sent me this article.
************ This is perhaps an answer to the question..... how an intelligent, educated, person could support Obama and his agenda. Israeli Psychologist on Obama Dr. Sam Vaknin is an Israeli psychologist. Interesting view on our president. Dr. Vaknin has written extensively about narcissism. Dr. Vaknin States "I must confess I was impressed by Obama from the first time I saw him. At first I was excited to see a black candidate. He looked youthful, spoke well, appeared to be confident -- a wholesome presidential package. I was put off soon, not just because of his shallowness but also because there was an air of haughtiness in his demeanor that was unsettling. His posture and his body language were louder than his empty words. Obama's speeches are unlike any political speech we have heard in American history. Never a politician in this land had such quasi "religious" impact on so many people.-- Michael A. Haberman, M.D.
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/vaknin.asp
This Vaknin guy isn't even a real doctor (he has a PhD from an unaccredited university, and not even in psychology). Then there is the fact that that article is said to be authored by Michael A. Haberman MD, but was really authored by Ali Sina. You should seriously research stuff like this before posting it...
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since I effin suck at searching for this crap... I guess I shall not share much anymore
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I have to tell you, I am a progressive independent and am targeted with email and junk by some friends. It is really interesting to me to observe that I get absolutely none of this kind of crap about what is presently called the Republican party (it has changed quite a lot in the past several years in what I've observed) from any of my more liberal or Democratic friends, but I have gotten a heck of a lot from the conservative ones. Think about it. Have you ever read ANYTHING like this about Bush? Have you ever been sent or seen posted this kind of misleading tripe on any conservative? I know I haven't. I saw legitimate complaints about Bush at times, but nothing this stupid in a general forum. I"m sure you can find fringe forums that would shred Bush, same as the fringe forums - and now a lot of the main stream conservatives - that shred Obama. The big difference is the tone and attitude. The constant inferences and outright lies. This Ali Sina is not an American and is not in America. I'm not so sure he is pro-Israeli either, I don't know. I do know this smear article being sent around is pretty much all written by Ali Sina and the instant I read any article that has "the making of a fuhrer" when referring to an American President I know they're full of crap. I had a friend who was convinced that the Republican party was going to overthow the term limits and make Bush a "fuhrer". I had to laugh. Ain't gonna happen. They just won't get past 8 years max. Duh! This is just more 'Hate Obama' fabrications from the right, which I see all too often. Either I'm not on the mailing list or there isn't any of this kind of tripe in the main stream Democratic following. It's all from the right... sadly enough, it isn't the radical right, but rather the main stream right. That kind of indicates 'the main stream' has breeched its banks and is in danger of being out of control and influenced by hate, lies, and bigotry. At least that's what I'm seeing in my email, forums, and opinion page letters.
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www.factcheck.org probably one of the most impartial politically neutral sites there is. www.snopes.com a good source for debunking myths and suspicious email claims, like the "free dinner on Bob Evans" and this one here. When it comes to political stuff Fact Check is just plain good. It's a non-profit group sponsored by the Annenberg Foundation, founded by Founded by Walter H. Annenberg, publisher and ambassador, who I believe was a conservative. They give an actual open balanced approach, referencing all of their information with facts. A life saver in the political cesspool of claims.
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Doesn't change the point that he's a narcissist pushing a racial division agenda.
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so now we care what some foreign national Israeli pseudo-shrink has to say about the POTUS? Has American sunk to this?
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Of course he is a narcissist!! What top level politician isn't? You think Romney isnt?
What a stupid article.
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I have to laugh everytime I hear about the "failed" bailout. Every economist except for those 'CON influenced ones said it was the right thing AND it was proposed and voted on by THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION. Most independent economists felt the bailout wasn't large enough. Then there was the "failed" bailout of the auto industry. Every state should wish the bail out failed like it has for Ohio. The auto industry has grown dramatically here. Sure, we could all be having record job growth like Texas, where the jobs are near minimum wage and actually decreasing the income average for the state, but why would we want that when we, in this non-"right-to-work" state, are having excellent job growth in decent living wage paying jobs and having better than expected tax income for the state. Even our goofy republiCON governor can not fault that "failed" auto bailout. All independent non-partisan sources place Obama pretty much as a centerist, not left leaning. Problem is all of the republicans have been republiCONed by the likes of the Koch brothers, Karl Rove, and the millionaire FOX shills, Beck and Hannity. I tend to believe millionaires and billionaires who say they are NOT taxed enough or fairly over those who whine like they don't know where their next plate of caviar is coming from. If anything has been divisive it is the fact - incontrovertable fact - that the middle/lower middle class on down are losing income - real income - and the top 2% are gaining in record amounts. No sooner did the banks and Wall Street start to turn around and they were awarding themselves millions in bonuses while the middle and lower middle were losing homes and retirement funds. I was fortunate I only lost half my IRA and now after over 4 years it is finally clawing back to where it was back then. While the richest lost a bit then recovered by buying low with money they had that others didn't. Heck, the Ohio governor made over a million dollars including bonuses the very year that his employer was going down, Lehman Brothers, and after he got the State Teacher's Retirement System to invest $480 million in Lehman. Nice. Now really, who's devisive? Obama was far from being the start.
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I have my email set up to block anything with fwd in the subject line. I could tell immediately that post #1 was a fwd email at some point, so probably false.
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Yeah, I don't hear any of this kind of stuff about conservative folks, either.
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I heard and read a lot lot of nasty stuff about conservative folks too.
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I have to tell you, I have yet to get any vicious truly slanderous attacks on any conservative candidates at all.
I've had the usual stuff that would be on TV questioning Palin's qualifications back then and Romey's actions as a venture capitalist now, and some of the stuff about how some candidates were going to slash medicare or education. But I've not received vicious hateful stuff like that of the constant badgering of the birthers, the people who consistantly blatantly lie about Democratic candidates. Thinly veiled insinuations about being socialist, facist, marxist, any-ist. I mean look at that writer claiming Obama has fuhrer aspirations, Beck and his ilk constantly associating Obama with Nazism (odd since Obama is not Arian). That kind of targeting of conservative candidates just didn't happen and hasn't happened in the past or present. Heck, I'm one of those "union thugs" the conservatives harp about. Me, a middle school teacher who also is a building representative for our teacher association in the OEA/NEA. You'd think if there was serious slanderous propaganda out there being spread, as a supposed "thug", I'd be getting it. But I don't. I get a regular OEA and NEA update on government actions within Ohio and across the nation. They are mainly news report based with added comments from the OEA or NEA. No insinuation of facism or the like. Just information. No bating us on to anything more than attending rallys or donate to support some cause, no calling on us to be the proverbial "thugs" per the conservative rumor, just keeping us up to date on the latest education news and where our concerns may be. That is what I get. No cartoons or anything else, like the crap I get or see from the conservatives I know. All you have to do is look in the off-topic area of most any forum and you will see. A majority of it is conservative slams usually having part or all being vicious and/or non-fact based. That's what I've pretty much seen. Oh, and I am an independent progressive. I voted for Pat Tiberi as my Representative last election. I thought he would be good - I was wrong. He just voted No on everything, following the party line without regard to what was good for Ohio or the nation. I regret that vote. All party line talking points, no action. Tiberi is not the only one either. I voted numerous times for Republican candidates when I lived in eastern Ohio. Including the local mayoral candidate one time. I was disappointed when he lost for his second term. He did good stuff, the Democratic replacement was a poor choice, Mr. Political Expediency. He was a real glad-hander never looking at what was best for the community, only what made whomever yelled the loudest happy. I was originally seeing Johh McCain as a good possibility back in 08, until his stand on health care became clear and his comments on the economics on insurance in his health care plan - totally privatized with a $5000 voucher. He said if more people had to buy insurance the price would drop... That's pretty much backward from the supply/demand pricing process. Higher demand meant higher price and vice versa. (If you want proof of that just refer back to the introduction of the VW Beetle and the PT Cruiser when they came out.) I can't vote for someone who could make that statement. Either they're not knowledgeable or they're showing special interests influence. I am a true independent, with some progressive leanings. Liberal in some ways conservative in others. I'm not blowing political party smoke. I don't like either when it comes to slanderous crap. It just clouds reality.
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I'm more left on economic issues, and more right on cultural issues... I imagine you're the exact opposite? |
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Something's fishy about that picture.
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Yeah... I dont think he actually served in any military...
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