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Old 04-23-2012, 12:02 AM   #1
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I see a lot of print on riders fixing carbs, why are they a repair concearn? do they clog up fast and why? is todays modern gas not clean?

Or is it due to winter storage..would not gas saver cure this? do we have to fog? bikes in the winter.. thanks
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All of the above. Use Stabil every tank, at they very least every couple tanks.

The additives in gas these days will clog jets, and the older bikes did not in-line fuel filters, you can buy those for a buck or two these days.
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You know, not to sound rude... but a lot of your questions could be answered by a simple Google search.

At the very least, you could start a thread called "Sanford's Master Questions Thread" or something to keep all your questions contained in a single thread.
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All of the above. Use Stabil every tank, at they very least every couple tanks.

The additives in gas these days will clog jets, and the older bikes did not in-line fuel filters, you can buy those for a buck or two these days.

So we should use "stabil" all the time? not just in winter storage, is this correct.. darn never knew that, thank-you.
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You know, not to sound rude... but a lot of your questions could be answered by a simple Google search.

At the very least, you could start a thread called "Sanford's Master Questions Thread" or something to keep all your questions contained in a single thread.


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I use it all of the time because there is ethanol in the gas where I live. there are different types of it, i use the marine grade ethanol treatment every 3 or 4 tanks to help keep the jets clear and I put in an in line filter as well.
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How do you put in an inline filter? Should your bike already have one?

And man, I wish my city allowed ethanol free gas...
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Cut the feed line from the tank to the carbs and put the filter in line. Make sure its the right way round, some are directional.
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Most filters are good for getting out large particles of contaminate but aren't much good for anything else. They don't remove fine particles or any chemicals.
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Depending on how often you ride, you don't need to use a stabilizer all the time.

If you use up more than a tank of gas in a month or so it's unnecessary. If the same fuel will be sitting in the tank for over a month it is good insurance to stabilize it.

I only use stabilizer during winter storage, but I put on about 12,000 miles a year, so my fuel is usually only a few days old at most during most of the year.
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Once carbs are clean they generally will stay clean--if you ride constantly. The ethanol in modern gas will burn right up with the gas before it has a chance to separate and cause problems. Because many bikes don't get ridden much the alcohol has time to evaporate leaving behind water and the gas itself will evaporate leaving behind residue (varnish). This is why carbs need to be cleaned occasionally if not ridden often. On long trips where I am constantly burning tanks of gas I have yet to have to clean the carbs on the road. The fuel doesn't have a chance to do any damage as it gets burned and replaced quickly.

Ethanol can cause other problems, especially on older bikes with OEM carb gaskets and o-rings, which can swell and stretch. To mitigate these you can add Startron (or other brand) of additives that counter the bad effects of the alcohol and which may also give you better mileage. Often these additives act as a fuel stabilizer for long storage as well. I am sold on Startron for a regular additive when I can't get alcohol-free gas for my old Honda, and have found much improved mileage (up on average from mid 50s to upper 60s). For occasional light cleaning of carbs I like Seafoam.

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One question on the Startron. E-10 causes a drop in power due to the fact that alcohol produces less energy per amount burned. Will Startron help give back any of that lost power?
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I couldn't really tell if there was more power, but then mostly I have used it touring on my puny CB350. The fact that the mileage went up so much sure points to it at least burning more efficiently.
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Well, if gas milage does go up, then I would imagine that would mean it IS extracting more energy from the gas burned. Which should (in theory) mean that you'll have more power available. I shall have to try this stuff out. Especially where as I am buying an older (1980) motorcycle. (just to save the carbs from that evil ***** they're puttin in the gas now)
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Here's a relevant comparison, a mechanical watch (carbs) vs. a quartz watch (fuel injection).




When carbs are mechanically in order, clean, and tuned correctly, it is a great system. When that's not the case it can be extremely difficult for a shade tree mechanic, and even professionals to sort out the problems. There are many small passages in carbs for fuel and air to move though that can get blocked by varnish and residue, many mechanical mechanisms and moving parts, many gaskets and o-rings.

I think a lot of people, including myself, are a bit naive when they buy an older bike that is not running, or not running well, thinking that carb problems will be an easy fix. Then the forum questions start rolling in! Sometimes fixes are as easy as cleaning and replacing obviously bad parts. Sometimes it is much more complex when systems are not functioning properly in a way that's not obvious. Then there's the whole system of tuning, which is like a science in of itself. Dialing in the jetting can drive a novice bonkers.
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I think there is something to be said for both systems.

Yes, carbs can be complicated, although with a little experience they are really not too intimidating. And you can do something about it when you have problems. There may be quite a few parts, but they are mechanical and the beauty of it is they come apart.

Fuel injection in theory is more simple, but requires electronic controls, not to mention a fuel pump. If something goes wrong with the electrics, there's not a lot you can do about it, except to plug in a new controller or pump (and shell out a pile of cash). On the other hand, EFI is usually pretty trouble-free, so the chances of something going wrong is reduced.

I think for long distance riding in far off places carbs might have the upper hand, but for most riding in the US you usually won't be stuck that far away where you can't get help. Either way, for riding across Mongolia or some other such place spares need to be carried anyway, no matter how you're getting the fuel to the cylinders.

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Another advantage to carbs is that they are much cheaper to modify than EFI in a general sense. (But not necessarily easier)

The EFI on Harley machines have the owners pretty much locked out of doing any major modifications to the intake or exhaust without having a dealership involved (and paid) or a fairly pricey add-on unit installed.

It would be a boon to the more tech-savvy owners to allow a standard Windows laptop to be attached to the EFI for tuning. But then again, the dealership would lose out on some easy money.

I just leave mine stock.
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I couldn't really tell if there was more power, but then mostly I have used it touring on my puny CB350. The fact that the mileage went up so much sure points to it at least burning more efficiently.
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Well, if gas milage does go up, then I would imagine that would mean it IS extracting more energy from the gas burned. Which should (in theory) mean that you'll have more power available. I shall have to try this stuff out. Especially where as I am buying an older (1980) motorcycle. (just to save the carbs from that evil ***** they're puttin in the gas now)
Question: I got some Startron to try. LWRider, did you notice an increase in MPG right off the bat with the double-dose starter dose? Because I just filled up after using it for the first time with the double-dose and my MPG is unchanged, MAYBE a little lower (34.something this fill up). I'll report back after this next tank using the normal dosage.
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When you consider the Startron runs about $35 a gallon, I doubt any cash can be saved by getting slightly better mileage.
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Another advantage to carbs is that they are much cheaper to modify than EFI in a general sense. (But not necessarily easier)

The EFI on Harley machines have the owners pretty much locked out of doing any major modifications to the intake or exhaust without having a dealership involved (and paid) or a fairly pricey add-on unit installed.

It would be a boon to the more tech-savvy owners to allow a standard Windows laptop to be attached to the EFI for tuning. But then again, the dealership would lose out on some easy money.

I just leave mine stock.
One advantage of EFI is aftermarket tunability with a lot of bikes. If you have a laptop, you can do a LOT with a Powercommander V. Also, if you happen to have any sort of ram air, EFI can be a lot easier to tune for that than a carbed bike.

One of my eventual goals with my Shadow would be to do a conversion to a dual throttlebody EFI setup. The same with the Yammie. It will be quite costly, of that I am sure, but, for what I want to do, it would be well worth the cost in my opinion.

Thats the one killer. COST!
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When you consider the Startron runs about $35 a gallon, I doubt any cash can be saved by getting slightly better mileage.
I dunno... it runs about $1/oz, so for my bike it would just need to reduce the fill up cost by $1 to break even. That works out to less than a 3 MPG increase. So, going from 35 MPG to 38 MPG would be the break even point.

One thing I can say is that after putting Startron in my tank my bike starts a heck of a lot better! (Though admittedly I could have likely gotten the same results with Berryman's B12 Chemtool.)

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I dunno... it runs about $1/oz, so for my bike it would just need to reduce the fill up cost by $1 to break even. That works out to less than a 3 MPG increase. So, going from 35 MPG to 38 MPG would be the break even point.
I'm not sure about the amount to add, but if it's 1 oz per gallon at $1, it would take more than 3 MPG to break even.

For a gallon of fuel, about $4.00, you can go 35 miles. That's a cost of about 11 cents a mile.

A gallon of fuel, about $4.00, plus $1.00 for additive, you can go 38 miles. That's a cost of about 13 cents a mile.

100 miles would cost $11.00 without additive and $13.00 with additive.

That's assuming that you would get a nearly 10% increase in fuel economy, which I would be skeptical of by just adding an ounce of fluid per gallon.

The protective properties for old motorcycles would be worth the extra money spent if the alternative is frequent carb rebuilds.
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The protective properties for old motorcycles would be worth the extra money spent if the alternative is frequent carb rebuilds.
That right there makes it a very much worthwhile investment in my opinion.
Though, if there is an increase in fuel economy, then maybe there might be an increase in power as well. I would think that an increase in power might make it more attractive to more people.
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My bike is a 1968 and the o-ring around the float chamber gets much longer when using ethanol laced gas. It is really hard to get it back in the groove; I usually have to put a bead of grease all around in the groove and work the o-ring in accompanied by a lot of frustration. Without the ethanol I don't have that problem. Here at home I have a fuel account where I can put in 90 octane non-ethanol gas, but on the road I have to use ethanol premium (bike likes higher octane, reccomended to use 95 (old method, 93 or so new) or higher in the shop manual). So, on the road I use Startron or if the bike will sit for a while here, now that I have another bike to ride.

I don't recall the initial dose being particularly higher mileage-wise. But on all my road trips I keep track of mileage at every stop. Last October running from central Florida to Maggie Valley NC, then to Birmingham, and back I used Startron every time. My fuel consumption went from 55 or so mpg without Startron to 65 mpg with Startron with a high over 70 mpg. The results were pretty consistent.

I have not figured in the cost of the Startron and how that affects cost per mile, but for my 2.6 gallon tank, I use about a capful. It takes very little. I still have that same (small) bottle of Startron I bought back before the trip and it is half full still. Seams like it was about $9 and does 80 gallons, but I would have to check that to swear by it. What's that? about 11 cents a gallon for another 10 miles range per gallon? But even if it does not make the fuel cheaper, the benefits to those old carbs is worth it.

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Plus, makes for that many more miles you can go before filling up!
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Mike, is that increased milage on your trip as measured against a similar trip in similar conditions, or compared against daily around town driving?

I use Startron as a tool, and it's great stuff! It is absolutely amazing in it's ability to clean out fuel injectors that have been blocked by someone allowing an EFI bike to sit for too long. I don't use it on carbureted bikes as it is quicker and more effective for me to physicaly clean the carburetor. I can do a better job then the chemical.

Does it give you more power? Hard to say. There's only a finite amount of energy available in a certain amount of gas, and adding an enzyme cannot increase that, but it certainly could restore the efficiency at which that energy is released. I doubt you'd feel that difference though.

But if the stuff cleans out your injectors or helps clean out some crud from your carburetor, and the bike runs better because of that, then you'll definately feel THAT difference.
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I'm not sure about the amount to add, but if it's 1 oz per gallon at $1, it would take more than 3 MPG to break even..
It's actually 1oz per 6 gallons or something (so basically 1oz per fill up for my 5ish gallon tank). But, I'm too tired right now to do the math, haha.
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One reason people may be fixing carbs is because most of the bikes that have them are starting to get old. My 2002 Harley is the last year they put them in Softails, I think Sportsters went another couple of years. Most bikes in the last 8 10 years have fuel injection.
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Mike, is that increased milage on your trip as measured against a similar trip in similar conditions, or compared against daily around town driving?
That's comparing it to highway miles I've recorded on my other long trips (been to MI and back, Birmingham and back, and Smokies and back before). I was super surprised at my 70 mpg I got between Franklin and Maggie Valley, NC. My 350 never had given me the mpg that I hear a lot of other CB350 owners talk about. Could be the hot cam they used the first year. On long trips I was always averaging about 55 mpg (I usually run 60 mph on secondary roads) so to get ten more mpg, especially with that tiny tank was sure welcome.

On the long trips I have usually given the carbs a thorough cleaning beforehand so I added the Startron basically to counteract the ethanol in those old carbs. When I set out on my last trip to Maggie Valley and Birmingham I decided before leaving to make it a Startron test.

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Ok, I am SOLD on that stuff now. I am buying a small bottle today.
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OK, just thought I would clarify the Startron economics now that I had been in the garage and actually taken a look at the bottle to refresh my memory. My $10 8 oz. bottle says you add 1 oz to 16 gallons of fuel and that the entire bottle will treat 128 gallons of gas. That makes the cost about 8 cents per gallon.

So if you used to get 55 mpg and fuel cost $3.70 a gallon, the cost per mile would be 6.7 cents. If you used Startron the gas would cost $3.78 per gallon and if you got 65 mpg, the cost per mile would be 5.8 cents per mile.

I think I got that math right.

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Well, I suspect part of the reason it takes a tankful or two to see improvement is because the stuff probably does clean the carbs as advertised. Now, what if your carbs are nice and clean already?

I saw a noticable difference pretty quickly with this stuff. I actually got an increase in power. I guess that it works pretty quick in countering the effects of ethonal in your gas. I doubt I will see much improvement in milage, but that is due to how I ride, and not in actual improvement in economy.
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Seems to be a lot of math in here lately.....

That's interesting about the milage Mike. So by using it you're saving about 1 cent a mile, right? Maybe that might not seem like a lot, but if I have my math right, that means that about the time every oil change rolls around, it will have been paid for by using the Startron.
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$1.00 for every hundred miles! On a trip like the one I tested it on I believe my total mileage was 1707, so saving work out to $17. My fuel costs on that ride were $87, so it would have cost about $104. $17 will buy two six packs of good beer--I'll take it!
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I still don't understand how a few grams of fluid can "boost" the energy potential of fuel by 20%. I think the energy crisis has been solved!
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I still don't understand how a few grams of fluid can "boost" the energy potential of fuel by 20%. I think the energy crisis has been solved!
I do not know how either, but I will attest to the fact that the bike did have more power. I do not know just how much of an increase it was, but on a bike that is not all that powerful to begin with, it is enough to notice a difference.

That makes it worthwhile for me in my opinion. I wont question how it works. I just know that it does.
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Originally Posted by Dodsfall View Post
I still don't understand how a few grams of fluid can "boost" the energy potential of fuel by 20%. I think the energy crisis has been solved!
I'm not one to go for various snake oils and miracle "cures," that's for sure. And until I run several measured tests with the stuff I'm not going to go very far in believeing that it increases "power" in a certain amount of fuel.

I can definately say that it is great for cleaning clogged injectors that are clogged as a result of varnish build up. That's what I've used it for exclusively.

As for increasing fuel milage, I do know that a properly clean and adjusted carburetor will show better milage then one with gummed up passages, so I can certainly believe that, if it cleans out injectors it might help to clean out passages and carburetor circuits, and therefor might increase fuel milage. I have not used it for that however.

In any case, "power," can be somewhat subjective. Unless you have a dyno it's really a matter of perception. There's been a few times where after doing a routine 10k or 20k service the customer has raved that their bike "ran so much better" and had "much more power." All that from setting the clutch cable to factory specs, adjusting the air in the tires, and changing the oil? <chuckle> No, but that's what they believed.
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