Whats the deal with Harleys?

[Greenie]

Originally Posted by Animedevildog

Green, if your gonna do that, then why not pay a little more cash and get a 4in. bore kit for it? Then it will come out to 1594cc and make even more power. Or, what you could do is increase bore and stroke to 4.125x4.125 and end up with 1807cc. Put an S&S Super G carb on it, (if carbed. if injected, remap the fuel charts with an aftermarket controller) put a new cam in it, (I recommend Comp Cams) use Rhodes lifters, and a high output ignition system, and you'll have a REAL beast of a motor. Just make sure that the rods, bearings, and all buts and bolts are of the highest quality you can get.

That's starting to sound expensive.

[Animedevildog]

Well, save up for it.

[Greenie]

Originally Posted by Animedevildog

Well, save up for it.

No thanks. If I want a middleweight cruiser with obsolete technology, I'll just get the Shadow RS.

Besides, Sportsters are girls bikes.

Let's see, who else can I offend.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Let's see, who else can I offend.

Let's not...

The staff have asked multiple times that these flaming and baiting posts come to a stop.
Please don't make us start locking things. And you don't want me sicking Rex on you (all).

[Greenie]

I thought four smileys would be enough to show the sarcasm.

Some people don't take it that way...case in point.

[Greenie]

As I'm starting to remember.

[TxFLSTC]

Originally Posted by Custom85VT

Let's not...

The staff have asked multiple times that these flaming and baiting posts come to a stop.
Please don't make us start locking things. And you don't want me sicking Rex on you (all).

Is it ok to speak our mind in the bar?

Originally Posted by TxFLSTC

Is it ok to speak our mind in the bar?

As long as you are not intentionally starting fights just for the sake of starting fights. (as your new topic borderlines). It’s called self-moderation. Either you do it or we’ll be forced to step in, and frankly we have better things to do and don’t really want to play referee.

[TxFLSTC]

Originally Posted by Custom85VT

As long as you are not intentionally starting fights just for the sake of starting fights. (as your new topic borderlines). It’s called self-moderation. Either you do it or we’ll be forced to step in, and frankly we have better things to do and don’t really want to play referee.

I suppose my impression of the biker bar is wrong. When you say,

"Those offended by NUDITY, PROFANITY, VIOLENCE, GAMBLING, ETC..... CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OF 18 YEARS, Women who are Pregnant or do NOT WANT to become pregnant. Those of WEAK HEARTS or gentle dispositions BE WARNED !!! DO NOT ENTER HERE"

That this area might get a little rough and people should only tread there if they are willing to take the heat. People will have differences of opinion, that is just our nature. I started that thread because one of the moderators mentioned moving it to the biker bar. So we can't argue/debate in there either?

Originally Posted by TxFLSTC

I suppose my impression of the biker bar is wrong.

This may be true.
We are not going to argue this matter.
Please read here if you are still unsure.
http://www.motorcycleforum.com/showthread.php?t=95006
Taking special note at this bit:

ALWAYS be respectful of your fellow bar patrons!

[TxFLSTC]

Originally Posted by Custom85VT

This may be true.
We are not going to argue this matter.
Please read here if you are still unsure.
http://www.motorcycleforum.com/showthread.php?t=95006
Taking special note at this bit:

Ok daddy I will be nice.

[Animedevildog]

Originally Posted by Greenie

No thanks. If I want a middleweight cruiser with obsolete technology, I'll just get the Shadow RS.

Besides, Sportsters are girls bikes.

Let's see, who else can I offend.

A shadow obsolete??? Funny, but I would be hard pressed to call the new RS obsolete.

as for the Sportster being a "girls bike" I have seen a rather petite lady riding a Triumph Rocket III just fine, and I personally know a woman who rides the biggest cruiser Harley makes. They both do just fine. I have also seen many men who ride sportsters as their regular ride. Consider that a couple of them belong to a certain 1% club, I would LOVE to see you call their bikes "girl's bikes" to their faces. lol

*sits back with a bag of popcorn*

[Greenie]

Originally Posted by Animedevildog

A shadow obsolete??? Funny, but I would be hard pressed to call the new RS obsolete.

as for the Sportster being a "girls bike" I have seen a rather petite lady riding a Triumph Rocket III just fine, and I personally know a woman who rides the biggest cruiser Harley makes. They both do just fine. I have also seen many men who ride sportsters as their regular ride. Consider that a couple of them belong to a certain 1% club, I would LOVE to see you call their bikes "girl's bikes" to their faces. lol

*sits back with a bag of popcorn*

Originally Posted by Greenie

I thought four smileys would be enough to show the sarcasm.

Originally Posted by Custom85VT

Some people don't take it that way...case in point.

Wow, were you right! Make that four smileys and a separate post specifically mentioning the sarcasm.

I'll be clearer. Many people, including some in recent conversations, have mentioned HD's use of old or obsolete technology and charging premium prices. Now we have a Honda using drum brakes, which I think are perfectly adequate, as I consider aircooled pushrod engines from HD. Drum brakes are very old technology, and usually a sign of cost cutting, yet they're on a brand new Honda that will sell for Sportster prices.

I don't consider a Sportster to be a girls bike, see the above smileys/post/sarcasm reference.

[Animedevildog]

I think that sometimes we get too wrapped up in all the new high tech stuff out there when old school does the job just fine. And I doubt that it was a cost cutting decision on the part of Honda to use drum brakes on the rear of the Shadow. I consider how much machining is needed for the parts, I would think that the prices would be comparable actually. I suspect that they did it for asthetic reasons.

[Greenie]

Originally Posted by Animedevildog

I think that sometimes we get too wrapped up in all the new high tech stuff out there when old school does the job just fine. And I doubt that it was a cost cutting decision on the part of Honda to use drum brakes on the rear of the Shadow. I consider how much machining is needed for the parts, I would think that the prices would be comparable actually. I suspect that they did it for asthetic reasons.

Yet HD riders are frequently beaten over the head with how old their tech is. The smaller Shadows have used drums since the beginning and I doubt that they've changed the design since the early 80's, my wife's 85 VT500C looked just like that drum. It's cheaper when the R&D has already been recouped.

[Animedevildog]

Yeah, and it does work well. Plus, if you do need more stopping power from the rear, I am sure that you can get aftermarket brake shoes that would have more friction to them. the only real advantage i can think of with going to a disk brake set-up would be weight. anyone know how much weight that might save? Ballpark figure.

[primalmu]

No more than 5 lbs I would imagine...

Disc brakes are superior in heavy duty applications, but for normal riding I prefer drum brakes. They're easier to lay on without locking up the rear, but still provide plenty of stopping power TO lock up the rear.

[67fire]

Originally Posted by primalmu

No more than 5 lbs I would imagine...

Disc brakes are superior in heavy duty applications, but for normal riding I prefer drum brakes. They're easier to lay on without locking up the rear, but still provide plenty of stopping power TO lock up the rear.

I HAVE to ask. Why are you locking up EITHER brake, ever???

Eric

[primalmu]

Originally Posted by 67fire

I HAVE to ask. Why are you locking up EITHER brake, ever???

Eric

For fun of course!

Of course, I'm not purposely locking up the brake, I was just trying to illustrate that drum brakes have plenty of stopping power. If it can lock up the rear it can stop just as fast as a disk brake can.

[67fire]

Originally Posted by primalmu

For fun of course!

Of course, I'm not purposely locking up the brake, I was just trying to illustrate that drum brakes have plenty of stopping power. If it can lock up the rear it can stop just as fast as a disk brake can.

"If" they both have the same brake sweep area AND the same amount of pressure... possibly.

Eric

[primalmu]

Originally Posted by 67fire

"If" they both have the same brake sweep area AND the same amount of pressure... possibly.

Eric

All other things being equal, if both systems can lock up a tire it means that both systems produce enough stopping force to overcome the static friction (and I'm sure other forces) associated with the tire and lock it up. Of course, there's also the heat aspect (drum brakes build up heat faster and are more prone to fading under heavy braking), which complicates issues, but for all practical purposes they should be the same.

[67fire]

When I first started ridding bikes, they all only had drum brakes, at both ends.
Discs on both, are MUCH safer.

Eric

[primalmu]

Oh, I agree that discs on front wheels are superior.

[Animedevildog]

Originally Posted by 67fire

When I first started ridding bikes, they all only had drum brakes, at both ends.
Discs on both, are MUCH safer.

Eric

how is having disk brakes on the rear wheel safer than having a drum brake?

[Animedevildog]

Originally Posted by 67fire

"If" they both have the same brake sweep area AND the same amount of pressure... possibly.

Eric

Eric, if there is enough friction to lock up the rear tire, then the determining factor of stopping distance becomes how much grip the rear tire has. Where as the rear drum produces plenty enough stopping power, and if all other factors are equal, then the stopping distance should be the same.

[Dodsfall]

Originally Posted by Animedevildog

how is having disk brakes on the rear wheel safer than having a drum brake?

I don't think the disk brakes are any safer under normal riding conditions. Under heavy, prolonged braking, they may lose some efficiency due to heat build up since the pads won't cool as fast as disk pads. There are also more small parts that need to be maintained.

Like many other things, I prefer disks since they tend to be simpler in design.

[67fire]

Originally Posted by Dodsfall

I don't think the disk brakes are any safer under normal riding conditions. Under heavy, prolonged braking, they may lose some efficiency due to heat build up since the pads won't cool as fast as disk pads. There are also more small parts that need to be maintained.

Like many other things, I prefer disks since they tend to be simpler in design.

Ever ride in the rain/snow?

Eric

[Dodsfall]

Originally Posted by 67fire

Ever ride in the rain/snow?

Eric

Not if I can avoid it.

[Greenie]

Originally Posted by 67fire

Ever ride in the rain/snow?

Eric

Weekly in the rain, never had a problem with my disks. You'll notice that they put them on dirt and trials bikes who ford streams and drive through boatloads of mud.

[TxFLSTC]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Weekly in the rain, never had a problem with my disks. You'll notice that they put them on dirt and trials bikes who ford streams and drive through boatloads of mud.

Greenie, were you ever in Panama? I knew a guy down there with the nickname Greenie.

[Greenie]

Originally Posted by TxFLSTC

Greenie, were you ever in Panama? I knew a guy down there with the nickname Greenie.

Not me, I just picked that so a certain admin wouldn't know who I really was. I haven't seen him around, though.

[Animedevildog]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Not me, I just picked that so a certain admin wouldn't know who I really was. I haven't seen him around, though.

That doesn't seem too smart, advertising that ypou might be someone that the Admins do not like...

[67fire]

I know who it is...


And I'm not tellin'

Eric

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Not me, I just picked that so a certain admin wouldn't know who I really was. I haven't seen him around, though.

Wrong thing to say enjoy your vacation.

Originally Posted by Animedevildog

That doesn't seem too smart, advertising that ypou might be someone that the Admins do not like...

No it wasn't a very good idea.

[Animedevildog]

*shakes head*
You know, Thats how the cops catch about 80% of the bad guys from what I hear... they just do not know when to keep quiet.

*neighbor on the TV*
"And he seemed like such a nice guy..."

[rexmitchell]

Originally Posted by Custom85VT

Let's not...

The staff have asked multiple times that these flaming and baiting posts come to a stop.
Please don't make us start locking things. And you don't want me sicking Rex on you (all).

I just now saw this post, LOL your funny custom!

[justin68106]

I ignored this thread for awhile, until I got bored and couldn't sleep tonight, so I started reading it. I made it to this post and have to correct something.

Originally Posted by TxFLSTC

But yes, before there were any of these other brands out there, Harley Davidson was the only Maker of motorcycles. People tend to forget and appreciate what Harley has done for motorcycling for over 100 years. [...]It is like they are clueless of History.

Triumph, a metric company, started manufacturing bikes before HD. I'm not saying they haven't done anything for motorcycling over the years, I just noticed some irony here.

[Animedevildog]

Thank you for pointing that out Justin. (the fact that triumph has been around for so long) Thats something that I never knew.

[benny hedges]

Originally Posted by justin68106

Triumph, a metric company,

all the british manufacturers including triumph originally used whitworth not metric.

Whitworth, bsf, bs, af, unf, unc etc are still used here but are becoming rarer.
most new plant, not just bikes, uses metric.
i think you will find that usa is (more or less) alone in still using imperial threads.

metric system began to creep in here in the early 70s, including coinage, weights & measures etc.
fortunately we still use miles, but its only a matter of time before some beaurocrat decides we have to change.

referring to triumph as a metric bike is tbh a bit of an insult.

quote -

Threads were developed in many parts of the world, and as such produced a bewildering array of different standards. All attempts to "unify" the system only succeeded in producing yet another standard. Almost universal in the UK was BSF (British Standard Fine) BSW (British Standard Whitworth) & BA (British Association). As a leading manufacturer in the Industrial age British thread forms were exported around the world. The Motor Industry made an attempt to use the American " Unified Threads" (many UK car companies had strong US connections. Ford, Vauxhall etc.) but with the move to a European Union there has been a strong move to the Metric System (most of the large European car firms are indigenous, Audi, Fiat, Mercedes, BMW) etc. and it is almost 100% certain that in due course all the older mainstream threads will slowly fade away as the market for fittings and tools dies off, and costs rise to uneconomic levels. There is no signs of this as yet. (2005) America has been slow to embraced the Metric standards but will almost certainly go that way in due course.

As far as thread development is concerned the Metric form is almost certainly the end of the road. Unless there is some unforeseen technical development the Metric thread will continue to replace all other types. Virtually all new equipment will use the metric measurement system which will in turn mean the adoption of metric threads. Any remaining threads will be " metricated " ie: reissued in metric dimensions as the old imperial units disappear into the history books along with the rod, pole & perch. The older threads are usually designated "non-preffered"

*your 'non-metric' measurements are based on the british standards which were in use when you were still scalping each other.
the british imperial standard was based on the greek numeric system with measurements based around the number 12 rather than the more logical 10 in deimal.

12 was chosen because of greek gods lol and is imo a ridiculous way of working out engineering problems (in fractions of an inch)

i can't wait until they decimalise time. ie 10hr days, 10 days in a week , 1000 days in a year. then id still be a teenager lol
also, when quoting mpg figures - please note that 1.2 us gallons = 1 uk gallon - get it right please!
your inches were standardised to ours in 1954 but for some reason they missed out gallons!

incidentally, the space shuttle is also put together in imperial measurements using unf/c nuts & bolts.
can imagine when the joint space station / moon base is built there will be some embarassment when you try to fit a 5/8" unc bolt into an m16 thread to dock your half into ours!