Just like a gun?

codyanderson · 03-10-2008, 03:15 PM

Do sportsbikes kill people?
I know that used to be that mommy would probably drive the other way around the block when they saw 10 choppers come rolling down the street (not knowing it was a toys for tots drive

). Now it is the sports bikes that make people run for cover. Some places are actually thinking of banning sports bikes because they are too dangerous. The forgotten people in the North (CA), just might ban anything over a few hundred cee cees.

I think that everyone should have the right to conceal 177. caliber pellet pistols, and all other guns should be banned.

That pistol is really going to come in handy with someone chasing you with a shotgun, just like a 350 trying to dodge a Mack truck.

Maybe we should ban all cars. They are the reason for a majority of motorcycle accidents, not the cee cees under you.

Jax · 03-10-2008, 09:04 PM

Law Makers must be bored

BH121869 · 03-10-2008, 10:31 PM

It is not the bike or the gun it is the person using them.
If riders rode them as they should obeying the law there would not be an issue. Some do not so we all get the shaft.
It is the same for drinking and driving or having a beer while fishing. The 1% that can not stop at one, hurt the other 99%. Racing should be on a track not the roads we all travel on.

03-11-2008, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jax

Law Makers must be bored

Along with at least one teen-aged member of this forum.

03-11-2008, 02:43 PM

I saw this in another thread, and just wanted to let you know that the 1% will probably be enough to have this passed in a few states. It happened to the ATVs too. I can't even buy one or have it brought into the state from another. If I own one, and take it to Baja, i don't think I can get it back into Cali. What a bummer.

Jax · 03-11-2008, 03:44 PM

What country are we in? This is just sad.

bob weeks · 03-11-2008, 05:38 PM

let's not get started banning things ,I ride a Harley Electra glide and carry a 9mm so what in TX. we don't play around ,big bikes big Guns ,that is why I live here .in TX. you can soot someone in your yard if you feel they are going to hurt you .you will go to jail but they cant hold you if you felt threatened .
glad I live in a state that isn't banning every thing Blade

Roadrash · 03-12-2008, 06:50 PM

It always amazes me how the people who try to ban things are never anyone who has anything to do with that particular activity or item. Therefore they have nothing to lose. And they get to force their will on other people.
Perfect combination.
Respects,
Roadrash

rocker252003 · 05-16-2008, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roadrash

It always amazes me how the people who try to ban things are never anyone who has anything to do with that particular activity or item. Therefore they have nothing to lose. And they get to force their will on other people.
Perfect combination.
Respects,
Roadrash

I agree and it has been going on for years with many different things. There really is no point to ban quads or bikes or whatever. Its idiots (not just teenagers) who feel the need to be wreckless for whatever reason. I mean why dont we just ban any cars that go over 150mph? theyre bigger and do more damage not to mention they cause the majority of motorcycle accidents even with those crazy kids and their crotch rockets.

Bullzaye · 05-21-2008, 06:02 AM

codyanderson, it sounds as though your ideas have not been looked upon too favorably by the members of this forum. Perhaps if you'll take a few moments and give this some rational (not emotional) thought, you'll understand what everyone here is saying. Basically, we'd all like to be left alone to do as we like, so long as we aren't harming anyone in the process. Should it come to pass that someone misuses an object, be it a firearm, motorcycle, car, hammer, baseball bat, knife, or what have you, that person should be held responsible for their actions. But don't ban the use of such objects for those of us who are capable of using these items responsibly, on the assumption that just because they may be misused, they will be misused! Please take note of my sig line.
Tim

Kid2Nite · 05-22-2008, 12:21 PM

Take notice of who is sponsering these laws (bills) and you will find the majority tend to be of a liberal (Democrat) mindset.

pintslayer · 05-24-2008, 11:56 PM

Is a 9mm considered a big gun in Texas?

You should file the front sight off.

.454 Casull.

Bullzaye · 05-25-2008, 01:35 AM

Any gun that's being pointed at you is HUGE. Any gun that you're having to point at someone else to defend yourself never seems big enough.
Tim

Schneiderman · 05-28-2008, 11:48 AM

Quote:

That pistol is really going to come in handy with someone chasing you with a shotgun, just like a 350 trying to dodge a Mack truck.

1. Run approx. 200 feet away from the guy with the shotgun

2. Shoot him with your pistol

Nothing should be banned, everyone should be taught responsibility.

iamgumby · 05-29-2008, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schneiderman

1. Run approx. 200 feet away from the guy with the shotgun

Hummm...12 ga Remington 00 Buck @ 900 fps...that is some fast feets!

TFee3 · 05-29-2008, 07:51 PM

Hey gumby, I'm going to back away slowly, emptying all 17 shots from my Glock into the so-and-so who is pointing the shotgun at me!

cecilbdml · 06-10-2008, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFee3

Hey gumby, I'm going to back away slowly, emptying all 17 shots from my Glock into the so-and-so who is pointing the shotgun at me!

Hope you don't have a kaboom out of your BlockGlock!

I'll stick with ye olde tried and true M1911, t'ankya very much!

Olivia Chillia · 06-10-2008, 07:20 PM

I don't understand why so many people respond to a sad event like a murder or drunken hit and run by crying out, "There oughta be a law!" when there already IS a law. Murder is illegal. So is driving while intoxicated. And if you drive drunk and kill someone, you've broken more than one law.

Making it illegal to own a tool used to commit a crime doesn't stop the crime from happening. England is demonstrating that right now. For years they've had laws prohibiting their citizens from owning guns. Why? They wanted to see a decrease in violent crimes. Now they're experiencing a "wave of knife violence". The tool is different, but the crime is the same.

Whether we want to reduce riding deaths, drunk driving accidents or murders, the solution is not more laws. The solution must address the hearts and minds of the people in the best positions to prevent those things from happening.

TFee3 · 06-10-2008, 07:41 PM

Well said, Olivia!!! If I want to kill someone, I don't need a gun. I just have to have something solid to hit the person in the head with. You're absolutely right, the choice of weapons merely changes.

billybob · 06-11-2008, 10:40 PM

The 2nd amentment was put in place to allow us to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government, invading governments, oppressive mobs, and also to protect our homes/family/property. look back at history, if it weren't for armed civilians we would all be kissing queen elizabeth's royal feet and talking like we are in a guy richie movie. nobody has to like our right to bear arms, they just have to accept it. I don't like paying taxes, paying bills, or coughing up half my paycheck towards a mortgage payment but it affords me the things in life i want, and consider worth having. so what if the guy sitting in traffic next to you has a gun in his belt, or your neighbor has a shotgun in his closet. if he is worth his weight in salt he would use that shotgun to kill someone who might be assulting you or even worse your family. i'm not preaching fear, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. i've been legally carrying a concealed gun for over a year, and nobody has gotten hurt as a result, but a few of my friends have prevented themselves/others from a potential robbery and a potential rape by simply flashing a gun at the right place at the right time. i can't count the ammount of friends (most of the women i know) i have that could have saved themselves alot of pain and suffering simply by having a lethal deterant handy. they didn't because they were scared someone would get hurt.

CDRW · 06-12-2008, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TFee3

Well said, Olivia!!! If I want to kill someone, I don't need a gun. I just have to have something solid to hit the person in the head with. You're absolutely right, the choice of weapons merely changes.

Carefull, keep talking like that and pretty soon they'll ban us from owning solid objects.

cecilbdml · 06-12-2008, 06:32 PM

Too many politicians wanting folks dependent on them. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't worry about folks getting the right time for the crime.

If there was a federal law about voting that made sure NO ONE who had been in jail could vote, the politicians would shut down EVERY PENAL INSTITUTION WE HAVE to make sure someone could keep them voted into their cush office.

Hmmm....

Methinks I found a solution to our excessive law problem. If no one can go to jail for breaking a law 'cause no one can legally go to JAIL...

artyboy · 06-19-2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocker252003

I agree and it has been going on for years with many different things. There really is no point to ban quads or bikes or whatever. Its idiots (not just teenagers) who feel the need to be wreckless for whatever reason. I mean why dont we just ban any cars that go over 150mph? theyre bigger and do more damage not to mention they cause the majority of motorcycle accidents even with those crazy kids and their crotch rockets.

Why do you need a car that can go 150 mph? Obviously, if it goes over 80 it should be banned since that's the fastest you can legally go on any street in America.

Olivia Chillia · 06-19-2008, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by artyboy

Why do you need a car that can go 150 mph? Obviously, if it goes over 80 it should be banned since that's the fastest you can legally go on any street in America.

Because as long as you're not driving over the limit, there's no reason to make possession unlawful. It IS legal to drive very, very fast on the race track. In fact, there's a big street-legal drag racing community in my area. Their cars are street-legal and capable of going way over the speed limit. As long as they obey the posted limits on the street, they're fine.

If we're going to start banning anything that is capable of being used in a crime, let's start with primary sexual organs. A man's primary sexual organ might be used in a rape, so let's just make it illegal for anyone to have one.

03-10-2008, 03:15 PM	#1
codyanderson Motorcyclist Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 10	Just like a gun? Do sportsbikes kill people? I know that used to be that mommy would probably drive the other way around the block when they saw 10 choppers come rolling down the street (not knowing it was a toys for tots drive ). Now it is the sports bikes that make people run for cover. Some places are actually thinking of banning sports bikes because they are too dangerous. The forgotten people in the North (CA), just might ban anything over a few hundred cee cees. I think that everyone should have the right to conceal 177. caliber pellet pistols, and all other guns should be banned. That pistol is really going to come in handy with someone chasing you with a shotgun, just like a 350 trying to dodge a Mack truck. Maybe we should ban all cars. They are the reason for a majority of motorcycle accidents, not the cee cees under you.

03-11-2008, 05:38 PM	#7
bob weeks Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 302	banns let's not get started banning things ,I ride a Harley Electra glide and carry a 9mm so what in TX. we don't play around ,big bikes big Guns ,that is why I live here .in TX. you can soot someone in your yard if you feel they are going to hurt you .you will go to jail but they cant hold you if you felt threatened . glad I live in a state that isn't banning every thing Blade

05-21-2008, 06:02 AM	#10
Bullzaye Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 226	codyanderson, it sounds as though your ideas have not been looked upon too favorably by the members of this forum. Perhaps if you'll take a few moments and give this some rational (not emotional) thought, you'll understand what everyone here is saying. Basically, we'd all like to be left alone to do as we like, so long as we aren't harming anyone in the process. Should it come to pass that someone misuses an object, be it a firearm, motorcycle, car, hammer, baseball bat, knife, or what have you, that person should be held responsible for their actions. But don't ban the use of such objects for those of us who are capable of using these items responsibly, on the assumption that just because they may be misused, they will be misused! Please take note of my sig line. Tim __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin, 1759

05-25-2008, 01:35 AM	#13
Bullzaye Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 226	Any gun that's being pointed at you is HUGE. Any gun that you're having to point at someone else to defend yourself never seems big enough. Tim __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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03-10-2008, 09:04 PM	#2
Jax Master At Arms Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 194	Law Makers must be bored

03-10-2008, 10:31 PM	#3
BH121869 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,254	It is not the bike or the gun it is the person using them. If riders rode them as they should obeying the law there would not be an issue. Some do not so we all get the shaft. It is the same for drinking and driving or having a beer while fishing. The 1% that can not stop at one, hurt the other 99%. Racing should be on a track not the roads we all travel on.

03-11-2008, 02:43 PM	#5
webhustler Guest Posts: n/a	I saw this in another thread, and just wanted to let you know that the 1% will probably be enough to have this passed in a few states. It happened to the ATVs too. I can't even buy one or have it brought into the state from another. If I own one, and take it to Baja, i don't think I can get it back into Cali. What a bummer.

03-11-2008, 03:44 PM	#6
Jax Master At Arms Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 194	What country are we in? This is just sad.

03-12-2008, 06:50 PM	#8
Roadrash Verified Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: US of A Posts: 84	It always amazes me how the people who try to ban things are never anyone who has anything to do with that particular activity or item. Therefore they have nothing to lose. And they get to force their will on other people. Perfect combination. Respects, Roadrash

05-22-2008, 12:21 PM	#11
Kid2Nite ol' style rider Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New England area Posts: 151	Take notice of who is sponsering these laws (bills) and you will find the majority tend to be of a liberal (Democrat) mindset.

05-24-2008, 11:56 PM	#12
pintslayer Banned Join Date: May 2008 Location: wisconsin Posts: 1,005	Is a 9mm considered a big gun in Texas? You should file the front sight off. .454 Casull.

05-29-2008, 07:51 PM	#16
TFee3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Gravois Mills MO Posts: 1,890	Hey gumby, I'm going to back away slowly, emptying all 17 shots from my Glock into the so-and-so who is pointing the shotgun at me!

06-10-2008, 07:20 PM	#18
Olivia Chillia Master At Arms Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 134	I don't understand why so many people respond to a sad event like a murder or drunken hit and run by crying out, "There oughta be a law!" when there already IS a law. Murder is illegal. So is driving while intoxicated. And if you drive drunk and kill someone, you've broken more than one law. Making it illegal to own a tool used to commit a crime doesn't stop the crime from happening. England is demonstrating that right now. For years they've had laws prohibiting their citizens from owning guns. Why? They wanted to see a decrease in violent crimes. Now they're experiencing a "wave of knife violence". The tool is different, but the crime is the same. Whether we want to reduce riding deaths, drunk driving accidents or murders, the solution is not more laws. The solution must address the hearts and minds of the people in the best positions to prevent those things from happening.

06-10-2008, 07:41 PM	#19
TFee3 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Gravois Mills MO Posts: 1,890	Well said, Olivia!!! If I want to kill someone, I don't need a gun. I just have to have something solid to hit the person in the head with. You're absolutely right, the choice of weapons merely changes.

06-11-2008, 10:40 PM	#20
billybob Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 4	The 2nd amentment was put in place to allow us to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government, invading governments, oppressive mobs, and also to protect our homes/family/property. look back at history, if it weren't for armed civilians we would all be kissing queen elizabeth's royal feet and talking like we are in a guy richie movie. nobody has to like our right to bear arms, they just have to accept it. I don't like paying taxes, paying bills, or coughing up half my paycheck towards a mortgage payment but it affords me the things in life i want, and consider worth having. so what if the guy sitting in traffic next to you has a gun in his belt, or your neighbor has a shotgun in his closet. if he is worth his weight in salt he would use that shotgun to kill someone who might be assulting you or even worse your family. i'm not preaching fear, but an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. i've been legally carrying a concealed gun for over a year, and nobody has gotten hurt as a result, but a few of my friends have prevented themselves/others from a potential robbery and a potential rape by simply flashing a gun at the right place at the right time. i can't count the ammount of friends (most of the women i know) i have that could have saved themselves alot of pain and suffering simply by having a lethal deterant handy. they didn't because they were scared someone would get hurt.

06-12-2008, 06:32 PM	#22
cecilbdml Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 348	Too many politicians wanting folks dependent on them. If it were otherwise, they wouldn't worry about folks getting the right time for the crime. If there was a federal law about voting that made sure NO ONE who had been in jail could vote, the politicians would shut down EVERY PENAL INSTITUTION WE HAVE to make sure someone could keep them voted into their cush office. Hmmm.... Methinks I found a solution to our excessive law problem. If no one can go to jail for breaking a law 'cause no one can legally go to JAIL...