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why are there so many white supremiscist 1%er mc's?

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#1 ·
i was reseaching 1%er motorcycle clubs for a school project and it seems as though they fallow simalar traits. all of them seem to like nothing but cruisers. mostly harleys it seems. most of the members look like they are around 40-50 years of age. and they often seem to be racist.

i was looking at an outlaws website and several of the members photos had the nazi flag behind them. doing more research there was a motorcycle club called the fourth reich doing some christmas oriented things. donations n stuff.

i looked into the mongols and they seem to not be racist. the history with them being founded was something along the lines of not being let into ether the hells angels or outlaws due to not being white.

i dont get it? why are there so many racist 1%ers.

and a side question why are there no 1%er clubs that ride sportbikes.
 
#4 ·
The Banditos are not all white, but they are 1%. I am not sure that your impression is completely true. However, some people believe it is hard to trust anyone, muchless someone of another race. So they tend to form clubs with like minded people. They are not scared to let people know they are racist and propably like the fear that brings with it. I am not sure what people think 1%ers are? Outlaw? So that means criminal? Which that means some will be in prison. In prison people tend to stick with thier own race, most of the time.

1%ers on Sportbikes... lol well I don't know. More than likely there is one out there. How about 1%ers on Honda Rebels?
 
#7 ·
An outlaw motorcycle club (sometimes known as a motorcycle gang) is a type of motorcycle club that is part of a subculture with roots in the post-WWII USA, centered on cruiser motorcycles, particularly Harley-Davidsons and choppers, and a set of ideals celebrating freedom, nonconformity to mainstream culture, and loyalty to the biker group. These clubs are not sanctioned by the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) and do not adhere to the AMA's rules, but instead, generally, the club enforces a set of bylaws on its members that derive from the values of the outlaw biker culture.

Some motorcycle gangs engage in criminal activity.[6] Besides their connection with motorcycles and the one percenter subculture, criminal motorcycle gangs are "unique among crime groups in that they maintain websites; identify themselves through patches and tattoos; have written constitutions and bylaws; trademark their club names and logos; and have publicity campaigns aimed at cleaning up their public image.
 
#8 ·
the %1 has used nazi imagery for shock value like early punk rockers. Punk abandoned the swastika when the national front showed up, and tried recruiting punks, as they tried recruiting did Hells Angels(according to sony barger) 20 years prior for the same reasons. Bikers never really accepted any political ideology, and lets face it, You don't tell one of the major 5 %1 clubs what to do.

There where some factions of nazi punks/nazi skinheads, but they where HATED, and had their own bands and own scene. Punks don't wear swastikas any more because of this.

I don't know about %1, but I've seen 3-piece sportsbike clubs who are mostly minority.

According to the stories the banditos where formed because Hells Angels wouldn't let Hispanics in, so a few Hispanic bikers formed their own crew. I've heard conflicting reports on %1 racism, but I think it stems less from idealogy, and more from people who don't change their ideas with the rest of society. Many older MCs where started pre-desegregation and pre-civil rights era, so as rebellious and outside society they are, they did incorporate many views of society at the time, they didn't however, change those views with time like the rest of society.
 
#11 ·
Some are 2 faced but, where in life is that not true?

Wow, epic topic in the 3 piece world. My cheap 2 cents as it's said. Biker world is what it is. We are gonna "get into it, and that's all there is to it".

But, I refuse to be a racist over anyones ****in politics! I am a biker black, green, blue, white and double piss off what ever anyone doesn't or does like.

What ever, I give respect n get it or we freakin dance, that's it. I'm not messin w/ ya, don't try me or those "I calll BROTHERS" n we're good. Isn't that how we "All" do??

Bikers are "ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE". There are needs in The Biker World. but I have "real friends n family" in all diferrent parts.
 
#13 ·
This is a faction of freedom that goes beyond a three-piece patch. And to start this off with the proper slant, I still hold a three-piece patch.

Bikers espouse freedom, but it also appears that they are sometimes apt to deny the same concept to other bikers who disagree.

It is your right to be racist, after all, every rap music 'artist' is racist--and misogynistic, and illegally armed and packing enough drugs to open a pharmacy. We often dismiss this as an "depressed financial consequence of urban ethnicity." The guy's an active criminal for heavens sake...

The issue here is just what does the Aryan biker do with his ideals? He can spout them all he wants. However, our regimen of laws is not based on thought, that is until Grand Vizar Hillary makes Orwellian double-think a felony. It hinges on being active.

If you do not like Aryan bikers, don't ride with them.
 
#15 ·
It is your right to be racist, after all, every rap music 'artist' is racist--and misogynistic, and illegally armed and packing enough drugs to open a pharmacy. We often dismiss this as an "depressed financial consequence of urban ethnicity." The guy's an active criminal for heavens sake...
This is hyperbole to make a point, right? You're not really saying that every rapper is a racist criminal drug-dealer...

Wonko
 
#16 ·
This is a tit for tat issue. I have a three piece patch. Are you implying that I am a racist?

BTW, I do believe that every 'banger is involved in felony drug pedalling. And I also believe that every rap singer is surrounded by 'bangers. Connect the dots.
 
#19 ·
Many/most of the successful/popular rap artists are posers. Look at Drake for example. He would piss his pants if he was surrounded by real gangbangers.

There are 3 patch sportbike clubs, I see them all the time in NYC, but they aren't 1% even if they claim to be, and they would fold up immediately if a real 1% club didn't want them around anymore.
 
#20 ·
Off course that's true. It's the use of the old "White Crow Gambit" in debating. My position is that I do not support the original postulate proffered by the OP.

I do not think that 1% clubs are over-represented by racists. In fact, while I doubt they celebrate MLK's birtthday, I doubt they care, at all.

Obama is in my town today. My consternation is not politics. It's because they have closed down most of the on-ramps with dump-trucks and the Troopers are haunting every street on the east-side highways. As for BHO as an individual, I feel he's just another empty cookie-cutter liberal.

Same way with matters of race. Just because you dislike something doesn't mean you're racist or a homophobe or a xenophobe. I'm not fond of chocolate cake. Does that provide enough data to brand me a hater of Swiss cocoa factories?
 
#67 ·
Ive been to a biker funeral where I noticed one of patch wearers was riding a Yamaha VStar. While he was the only one I didnt notice or get the vibe that ony of the others really cared. It was clearly his bike and not borrowed....and I believe I remember him being an officer.

Sonny Barger (Hells Angel legend) rides a Victory.

I would suspect its a club per club thing......not a 1%er thing.



the %1 has used nazi imagery for shock value like early punk rockers. Punk abandoned the swastika when the national front showed up, and tried recruiting punks, as they tried recruiting did Hells Angels(according to sony barger) 20 years prior for the same reasons. Bikers never really accepted any political ideology, and lets face it, You don't tell one of the major 5 %1 clubs what to do.
Exactly. Our ABATE district president has death heads and SS lighting bolts on his jacket and vest.....hes not racist. We are not a racist organization.
 
#23 ·
why are ...

"What ever, I give respect n get it or we freakin dance, that's it. I'm not messin w/ ya, don't try me or those "I calll BROTHERS" n we're good. Isn't that how we "All" do??"


Honestly, I really don't even understand what this above statement means. The syntax was rather hard to follow.

I agree mostly with The Tourist. Racist, wanna be racist, gangster rappers, are everywhere, and most want to project an image.

Even though I don't patch with the big three, I do know many of them. I really don't think race is a big deal one way or the other with them.

Regarding the above statement. It's easy to be an internet commando. "I give respect n get it or we freakin dance." Statements like that or with a similar attitude could get your a$$ in trouble.

2 bb
 
#24 ·
It's easy to be an internet commando...Statements like that or with a similar attitude could get your a$$ in trouble.
I don't have any tattoos, but if I ever got one, your comment would be my new ink.

A forum is an area for the exchange of ideas. But one thing I have found is the "tone" of the guy who posts. Let me explain.

A guy who grew up on a farm as many rural examples and some jargon. So does a Marine considering his individual past. Same thing with an old guy. And it really sticks out on a newb trying to pad his resume' for bragging rights.

We see a wide range of folks everyday in our personal lives, and spot them easily after a few years. For example, I often see 'boomer Nam vets at the gym. You can recognize them in the eyes if you look.

I can also spot the guy who will cause trouble in a saloon. Mouthy guy, usually shorter than the norm (Napolean concept), trying to score with every lady, and taking offense at any perceived slight. And usually the guy who takes him out will be a quiet older guy who has been a gentleman for most of the night. Happens every time.

I have seen the flames here long enough to recognize the condition. Same guys. Same ideology ticks them off, usually it's sticking a pin in their machismo fantasies in life. And of all the irony, the guys they disagree with in a debate have the life experiences they profess to covet. Same tone in tavern, same tone on a forum.

And it's the overall reason I'm annoyed, but not personally offended when this behavior surfaces. I do not respect the guys who do it in bars or in bike shops, so why should here be any different?
 
#32 ·
Torurist there is a lot of wisdom in you posts.
Nope. None, zero, zilch, nada.

As I have stated before, I am the "worst case" scenario, the personification of the 'bad example.' The reason I believe in mentors is that I was the guy with the hard head and the slow learning curve.

Any opinion I have derives from poor behavior, mistakes and stupidity. I altered my behavior because I lost instead of won, and there were numerous mentors around to chew me out and set me straight.

It's now a lost art, and the newbs resent it.
 
#35 ·
Oh, I agree, which is why I believe in the mentor system for bikers and the apprentice system for my craft.

Ask any 'boomer about his behavior in grade school and they all relate the same experience. If you misbehaved in school you got it from the teacher, but you also got it when you arrived home.

Now if a teacher 'rebukes' a student she hears from the father's attorney the next day.

And it's this way today, even for bikers. If I dressed down half of the newbs here in this forum like I got it from the prez or our enforcers, I'd be banned within a week.

I've heard more sniveling in the past few weeks than I heard from the entire membership of 'boomer prospects in five years. But like I keep repeating, it's the mental, not the metal. The life lessons you learn now stay with you for years.

If you read any of the Richard Marchinko's books he always includes a list of humorous adages he learned in his stint in the service. The one I like the best is, "We sweateth in training so we don't bleedeth in combat."

Take a wild guess how that would play today?
 
#36 ·
How come...

I really enjoy "The Tourists" bits of wisdom. Remember, there are always "older wise men", and we can consistently learn from them.

At 57, I've been around the block a couple of times. Sometimes on a motorcycle, others on my hands and knees. It is never the destination, but the journey getting there.

As with everything, especially on the net, you have to take everything posted with so many grains of salt.

Believe nothing you read, and less what you hear.

2 bb
 
#37 ·
Believe nothing you read, and less what you hear.
Trust me, I've been warned by a mod from another forum. He questimates that 30% of the members 'misrepresent' their credentials.

I've been here long enough to sincerely wonder if some of the members even own a bike. They don't sound like bikers, and they don't seem to have ever mixed with the wider assortment of folks you'd meet at a bike shop.
 
#39 · (Edited)
I can tell you Tourist is so legit that many poser posters do not understand him and tend to discount him. Big mistake. And thasts how we met. While on another forum he was talking his talk. Many unfairly and inaccurately cried BS but I knew and understood exactly what he was saying. This misguided mistreatment was to me an indictment of the entry level mentality of that old forum.

Such is the gap between old school riders and newbies of the me-me generation. And why I appreciate young ones like international baller. Met him while on the road and what a nice kid. Not really a kid but in his 20's.

Shout out to ya Scott!
 
#40 ·
Wow, I haven't heard anyone called a Commando in a long time! I used to live in Daytona many years ago. Boots, Black Harley T-shirts, and chain wallets were all the rage on Main street. Most sat in the bars and thought getting real drunk and fighting qualified them as a "Biker". Sidewalk Commandos they were called at the time. Main street is a much different place now, but I guess some things never change.
 
#41 ·
Sidewalk Commandos
Granted, it's an older term, but I'm not going to use modern jargon just to appeal to a younger crowd. It's the ideal I was after.

As for jargon, I often use it to help me figure out if a guy is really a biker. I once asked a member of another board if I should change out the mousetrap on my new Sportster with an upgrade made of plastic, or get a better one made of copper. I did not get an answer right away, so my guess is the guy was googling the old jargon.

A "mousetrap" is a clutch booster, seen on a pan. (I've used that idea here, as well. And if you didn't catch it, you may want to re-evaluate the stuff you type.)

But the overriding idea is still the same. Col. Jeff Cooper once stated that just because something is old does not mean that it isn't good. Now, I'm sure that lots of folks dismiss the lifestyle of the 1960s. But then they profess the Hollywood version of our ideals and wear the clothes from my closet floor.

They seek to look like us, they just don't want to live like us.
 
#42 ·
I should add one thing. It's not the youth in general I dislike. Let me explain.

I believe that modern bikers should create their own lifestyle. I have more respect for a modern era carver who uses our present technology to modify and use bikes like the Buell.

That's their history. That's their reality.

But a twenty-five year old with a fresh "Born to be Wild" tat who rolls a pan to a stop and then checks Facebook on his Droid isn't fooling anyone. I find such behavior insulting, and I brand this poser as simply playing dress-up. Those are my clothes, that's my lifestyle, that's my history.

I have a modern bike with EFI and I wear a warmer ballistic nylon jacket. I just bought a pair of modern boots. Of course I wear the traditonal stuff--it hangs in my closet, it's mine. I am wearing the same pair of jeans I wore in 1978.

My point is simple. There is better and safer equipment out there, and I know this because I use it. Even bikers of my generation began to adopt things like electric starters and handlebar clutches as times progressed.

The poser on a worn out pan in my hand-me-down clothes represents a singular snapshot of what bikers looked like in 1968. It was a short period. And if you're not sixty years of age it doesn't involve you.

I've done some research on this new motor that Erik Buell uses in his present machines. Those engines, their technology and the advances to our sport are of your generation. It is incredibly groundbreaking, and to bypass an honest piece of your own times will lead to regrets.
 
#43 ·
I think their are a lot of people around that are weekend warriors, the types that spend more time polishing their bike and staring at it than they do riding it. Hell, maybe you guys think I am one, or maybe I am, I don't know I am on my bike every time I get a chance. Saturday the temp was in the fifties and it was raining I was out riding in it, Sunday I woke up sick and sore but I got out on my bike again because I know when the snow starts to fly it will be stuck in the garage.

I know weekend warriors they ride 5 miles a day to and from work, and their idea of a ride is 30-45 minutes around town. They talk about themselves like they are some unique rebel thats out stickin it to the man, but their not their just a cager on a bike. They are like these people you talk about, they meet a real biker and discredit them because they think they are a real biker and that other person just doesn't fit the bill.

I guess what I am getting at is that no matter what you think you are people out there think your not. But that is not what matters, what matters is what you actually are, and that only time will tell.

On a side note, it would be cool if you old timers came up with a list of jargon and what it means, and got Rex to sticky it in the new rider forum.
 
#44 ·
Seems to me that the people actually claiming to be someone they are not are posers... but I'm not so sure that a guy with a passion for old bikes and clothes fits the poser description. Maybe that kid on a worn out pan feels at home there, and that's his lifestyle. As long as he's not claiming to have been there, I don't have a great deal of trouble with that.

Who gets to be the arbiter of what a "real" biker is?

Wonko
 
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