Why I’m Glad I Bought a Harley-Davidson
February 9, 2010 by jmark
I should probably start with the bike. Well, maybe a little background. I have been riding for over 45 years. I raced semi-professionally as a teenager (meaning I had sponsors who paid for stuff and we rode a local circuit). Raced motocross, trials, cross-country and hill-climb. Loved it. Me and my dad did it for years. My first motorcycle was a Honda 305, sometime in the mid-60’s. I was a kid, rode in the thousands of acres behind our house, and if I dropped it I couldn’t pick it up. Had to wait for my dad to get home. I learned not to drop it. Had a Hodaka racer, then we had Maicos and many Hondas etc. Rode mostly Beemer street bikes as an adult. Stopped riding for a while. Returned a couple years ago.
Also as a kid my family owned race cars and a high-performance auto center. I basically designed racing engines as a teenager. Spent a lot of time working with customers etc. Had a great time. We had a large garage at home and built cars and bikes constantly.
When I returned to motorcycles, I was baffled to learn that almost all the Japanese makes were fitted out with "plastic." Not only were the fenders and side covers plastic, the damm chrome (so-called) was plastic. OK. Fine. I’ll live with it. Over time I came to realize that this was sort of symptomatic of the throw-away nature of most of these modern machines. At the NY Motorcycle Show last winter, I saw a display of "Vintage Japanese Bikes." I loved them, but had to wonder how many of today’s would be around in 30 or 40 years for a similar display? My own Honda Aero was already showing signs of unhappiness with only a few thousand miles on it.
Not only that, but the bike (Honda) was not very susceptible of home-wrenching. Hard to explain. It’s just not laid out or built for that. I doubt that most of the people who buy them even own and real mechanic’s tools.
Now, the dealers. Well, basically, the metric dealers mostly sukk. I’m sorry, but that’s my impression, and I’ve been in many. I bought my Aero at probably the best Honda dealer in the region, and while they were nice enough to me pre-purchase, pretty much immediately afterward it was "who are you, again?" I would walk in there, with money in my pocket, and with not a customer in the store, the five employees would twiddle their thumbs and ignore me. Even when I stood at the parts counter obviously wanting help.
When I did get "help", it was, "Yeah, what do you want?" "Well, I was thinking of putting on [x]. Do you have any thoughts or recommendations?" "Show me what you want and I’ll tell you how much it costs." Etc. Gruff, totally uninterested, totally unhelpful. Same with service, gear, etc. Cold, indifferent, borderline obnoxious.
The people. Hell, I almost got in a fist fight twice in the **** Honda dealership, with azzhole customers who wanted to push and shove their way around and show how big and tough they are. The people I would run into in these places all seemed to have something to prove. I think maybe twice I had a kind word from a customer or "fellow rider". I eventually found another dealer I liked better, but only because the owner himself was actually a nice guy, once you drew him out. But they had lousy prices on the bikes, and not much inventory, and terrible hours.
Skipping over a lot… The first time I took my HD to the local dealer, I was amazed. I parked in the parking lot and went in. The service manager was not just polite, he was interested, human, looked you in the eye and seemed like a decent guy. And he was *helpful*, even offering ideas and suggestions right off the bat. Wow.
Then I was amazed by the … "Well, just ride your bike up this ramp and into the shop." Huh? A big, beautiful ramp, a double automatic glass door, and your ride your bike right up to the service counter. Literally. Holy cow! Nice air conditioned space, clean, large and well organized. And they’re helpful! The service people at both the HD dealers I have dealt with have been tremendous. When I was in the other day, not only did the service manager spend a lot of time with me, the mechanic who worked on my bike saw me near the bike and came over and volunteered some thoughts. Nice people. Just straight up, no bull****, nice people. Same with the parts people — just bend over backwards to help you figure out what you need to do what you want to do.
I also quickly learned that the HD is easy to work on. It’s just laid out nicely, and you can see how to remove and replace stuff. It’s basic wrenching. Plus, there is a TON of aftermarket stuff for these bikes. It could take YEARS just to learn the market. Not only that, but HD itself makes a ton of "aftermarket" stuff, and so far all of it I have seen is top quality. Seriously. You can customize these bikes to your heart’s content (and your wallet’s discontent
). That’s what it’s all about.
When I was in the racing world way back, that was the way it was. People in the business wanted to help you. They liked other enthusiasts, just because. They shared their knowledge and their time freely, even loved doing it. I know, I was one of them. As was the rest of my family. Well, you don’t see that much any more. Except I see it plain as day and in full living force at the HD shops. Go figure, eh? How’d they do that? 
Find ten Hayabusas and I bet 9 of them will be stock. And you may ask, why change a ‘busa? But why change a Super Glide, either? The answer is, it’s fun, and it personalizes your machine. And you can change it around next year if you feel differently.
The people. I had this kind of fear about the whole "Harley crowd" thing. I’ve had my "encounters" with some scary people in the past (many years ago) (and also some very pleasant encounters). But I was just kind of nervous, like "I don’t really fit in." Well, my experience has been so damm different from that, it’s just remarkable. It seems like every time I come face to face with another HD rider, there is just sort of this automatic, assumed… I dunno, just basic decency. People smile, chat, ask about your bike, toss around ideas. No condescension, no patronizing, no rudeness… nothing to prove, never mind pushing around and trying to pick a fight with people in a motorcycle shop.
Mind you, I’m aware that I may be exxagerating a bit, or possibly over-glorifying things or unduly ****ing other things. I know there will be countless examples and stories of people who had great experiences in a "metric" shop, or terrible ones in an HD shop. I know that, so please there is no need to hammer me with that. I’m just telling you about my experience.
I should even mention the "moto-clothes." I was skeptical, and didn’t want to seem like a dweeb, so I didn’t pay much attention to all the HD "gear" in the clothing section. But then I decided to really check it out. And damm, there’s some really nice stuff there. The jackets are very high quality — and i know the difference, I bought one of my first sets of street leathers from Vanson when they were a fledgling company on the back streets of Boston (never forget the babe who measured me for my chaps…
). I have lots of leathers, of all qualities. The HD stuff is very nice. And I got a cool t-shirt for my 5 year old son. He will not take the damm thing off (smells like hell, I’m gonna have to get a bunch more).
The bike… runs like a bat out of hell. It’s actually scary at times. At 70 mph, in 4th gear (out of six), twist the throttle and hang on for dear life. You can easily cruise at 80 or 90 with the engine running well below 2500 rpm’s. It’s powerful as helll, torquey beyond belief, and just plain awesome.
Not to mention, everywhere I ride it chicks show me their … oh, never mind. (Just kidding).
I’m sitting here right now with a set of t-bars and some related parts on my desk. I ordered these from Accutronix. I spoke to them on the phone (three times). Like everyone else I’ve dealt with in the aftermarket HD world, they were just tremendous. Helpful, friendly decent as hell.
So guys, just think about it a little. I don’t have a "point." Just wanted to share my experience. But still, it’s a good American company. Lots of flaws, but still, a good, solid publicly traded American company, making a damm nice product.


Comments
Even if it were categorically the case that HD's were only for the wealthy, that wouldn't bother me at all. Maserati's are pretty much only for the wealthy, and I still think they're awesome, even tho I'll never be able to afford one. I'm happy for those who can (especially Kate Beckinsale
But the truth is, you can buy a new Sportster for about $6k, and if Sportsters aren't your thing, a new Super Glide for about $12k, Any "comparable" metric bike new is going to be pretty close to those prices. A little less, sure. Big deal?
i'm in that group, and so are most of my buddies who are buying or considering buying bikes. we're certainly appreciative of the fact that we can pull up craigslist and see a whole host of perfectly competent big four bikes that are cheap to run and in our price range.
as has already been mentioned, everybody approaches it from a different perspective with a different set of priorities. all i want is a simple bike that will get the job done as efficiently and inexpensively as possible. even if i had maserati money, i'd still probably be wandering around in a honda fit. i appreciate the finer things in life, but i don't need them and rarely see the point. different strokes for different folks.
That was the most wild freakiest insane saturday Ive ever spent. Those guys are absolutly crazy. I mean stark raving lunatics.
From the people that dropped the scooter off at my house, to
some of the runs we went on, my jaw dropped regularly.
Im an artist and musician, so Im used to eccentric people,
but seeing some of this crazy stuff in person relating to bikes....
"wow" is all I could say.
good times.
i'm in that group, and so are most of my buddies who are buying or considering buying bikes. we're certainly appreciative of the fact that we can pull up craigslist and see a whole host of perfectly competent big four bikes that are cheap to run and in our price range.
as has already been mentioned, everybody approaches it from a different perspective with a different set of priorities. all i want is a simple bike that will get the job done as efficiently and inexpensively as possible. even if i had maserati money, i'd still probably be wandering around in a honda fit. i appreciate the finer things in life, but i don't need them and rarely see the point. different strokes for different folks.
Well, I'm happy for you that there are good bikes within your range, and I wish you nothing but joy and happiness. But I'm not sure what all this has to do with post, which was about some of the things I have enjoyed about owning an HD so far. No big deal. Have fun.
Mark
P.S. I recently bought a scooter for my wife, a Kymco. I love it.
a whole ton of the design aspects of the vlx, incidentally, were pretty much directly copied from harley by honda. it's a hell of a nice looking bike, all things considered. i do admit i wouldn't complain if it had a bit more character, though.
\"scooter trash" - his words, not mine
\"scooter trash" - his words, not mine
Hell no...Im trash inside, outside, all the way thru and thru
\"scooter trash" - his words, not mine
Must be true....one of the Kansas City Harley dealersips also sells Andretti-Benelli scooters......
sorry, you knew it was gonna happen.
sorry, you knew it was gonna happen.
I've had good experiences and bad experiences at dealerships from all makes of cars and bikes and boats. I think (as some have already said) that it depends more on the dealership than the manufacterer. You can't blame Chevy for a GM dealer that gives you a bad experience, so why have that attitude toward any other vehicle?
I think back in the day it mattered more to some people but these days I think people aren't as concerned about what you ride. I've been to many poker runs, bike nights, road rallies, etc., where people are riding all types of bikes - sport bikes, cruisers, metrics, Harleys, Victories, etc, etc. I have a 2000 Honda ACE. It's nothing special, but I've had lots of people compliment me on my bike - even guys riding $20k Harleys. Maybe it's just my area, but people around here don't seem to be all that caught up in what you ride, as long as you can keep up with the pack
I enjoy a diversity of bikes and if I had the funds, I would probably own bikes of all makes and models. I think one's bike should reflect their personality and taste, not define it.
How stinking ridiculous!!!
All I saw was the bottom end of the gene pool...
In their own commercial!???
Are they actually TRYING to sell STUPID?
I like the XR1200R BTW so calm the H down.
Would I be caught DEAD without ATGATT? No way!
Several of them would be.
Eric
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlZ4ONTb9i0
"I'm different just like everyone else!"
"We are individuals.
lol
Not that H-D is the only one using stuff like that to sell us things.
It's comments like that that give birth to the stereotype about Harley riders. If I ever buy a Harley, and I might, it will be in spite of people like you, and in spite of the company that makes it. It's like the Apple computer I'm currently using. I hate Apple, they're an arrogant company that refuses to believe they have shortcomings, but I like this individual product. It's the same with Harley. I like a lot of the bikes but I hate their attitude, and the attitude that comes with a lot of the people who ride them.
I wish we could do away with the "Harley Rider" as he exists in stereotype. You can ride a Harley and just be a rider without insulting other people. Dodsfall is an example of what Harley riders should be like. Whenever I meet a guy riding a Harley that is just an average guy who's in to motorcycles I feel bad that there are so many people giving him a bad name. Love the bike, love the ride, leave it at that.
I read the whole thread up to this post and this response pretty much sums up how I feel. I've actually had people that DON'T RIDE ask me when I'm going to "get a real bike". It's highly insulting. I'm not into cruisers, but if I were, I would give Harley a look - as well as every other manufacturer. I wont buy a bike for the name, but for its price, comfort, quality, etc. Every time I see a post by JMark, I see his bike and think "Damm, that's a sexy bike." I think I'd love to own one. I also love the look of the VROD or NightRod (that's the all blacked out one I think, right??). I hate the stereotypes that SOMETIMES come with the Harley name, but I wouldn't refuse to buy them out of principle.
And I'm not blind to the stereotypes that come with me riding a sportbike either. I hate those stereotypes too, but I love to ride and I love my bike for what it is. Doesn't matter that it says "Kawasaki" on it to me...
Heres the Sportster....Look at the aircleaner insert.
I did the instrument pod and some other stuff on my Softtail
but those pics are on my Microsoft mahine which is not hooked
up right now. I'll try a club page I used to be on and see if
I can find any, but the Sporty is an example of being an
'individual' ha ha ha
I took a lot of crap for the pink from real, ruff tuff HD doodz
at dealer events and stuff. Seems some people are all about
the 'indiviual' stuff until they actually come across someone
doing something 'individual'
I got this great stuff from equilter.com for about 8.00
for enuff to do a '69 Caddy. I guess no real market for
pink zebra furr.
Last edited by ʋʝɱ-ℒℯℳ; 09-03-2009 at 05:38 PM. Reason: Convert pic to Jpeg
Here are my good friends Sam and Tom doing what they
liked to do most on our rides
Thats me in the upper R/H corner. The lone sprout chugger
I'm not really a poster guy for the HD lifestyle
Last edited by ʋʝɱ-ℒℯℳ; 09-03-2009 at 05:51 PM.
Eric
The pic was shot at a monthly event in Ephrata PA. which
I would wholeheartedly recommend for anyone to do if
you are in the area or can get there. Anyone whos done it
already will vouch for what a great event it is.
Well, that wasn't what he was saying. He was trying to make a point about how HD's are so expensive and you can buy a Honda cheaper. Fine. Like I said, no big deal. It's an obvious point and in my view irrelevant, but hey, this is the internet, so say what you like, informed or uninformed, relevant or irrelevant. It's all good.
it's got my paint style as well
There are three local dealerships here. One is a Harley dealer. Great service and all the bells and whistles you described. One is a Honda dealership. They are HORRIBLE. However the best one out of the bunch is a Local shop that sells Suzuki's an Kawasaki's. Also a few EU bikes. They are AMAZING. Ten times better then the other two. Your experiences are not indicative of EVERYWHERE else in the US.
Ride what YOU like, what YOU can afford, what YOU get pleasure out of.
This shouldn't even be an issue.
Last edited by Thekerrick; 09-03-2009 at 11:20 PM.
and why is it always Harley VS every other bike in existence?
Harley = who gives a sh*t?
Honda = who gives a sh*t?
riding a bike = awesome.
seriously isn't two effing wheels and a seat enough? OP if you are glad you bought a harley, fabulous. but you knew your post would result in this flame war so my question is: why did you post? honestly i want to know. why wasn't your sense of pride and satisfaction with your machine enough for you, why did you have to post here and start what you knew you would start? a big friggin mess of flames.
like someone else said here I want to like harley's. in fact its near impossible not to like them for what they are. but the "harley is the only real bike" attitude just kills it entirely for me. thanks for reinforcing that.
it's got my paint style as well
Heres one for you SuperSherpa...
My YZF. Relevant to this thread cuz its Harley black
and has a pipe
Also, that liking Harleys doesnt automatically make someone
a J-bike hater
Last edited by ʋʝɱ-ℒℯℳ; 09-04-2009 at 06:55 AM.
I've had good experiences and bad experiences at dealerships from all makes of cars and bikes and boats. I think (as some have already said) that it depends more on the dealership than the manufacterer. You can't blame Chevy for a GM dealer that gives you a bad experience, so why have that attitude toward any other vehicle?
I think back in the day it mattered more to some people but these days I think people aren't as concerned about what you ride. I've been to many poker runs, bike nights, road rallies, etc., where people are riding all types of bikes - sport bikes, cruisers, metrics, Harleys, Victories, etc, etc. I have a 2000 Honda ACE. It's nothing special, but I've had lots of people compliment me on my bike - even guys riding $20k Harleys. Maybe it's just my area, but people around here don't seem to be all that caught up in what you ride, as long as you can keep up with the pack
I enjoy a diversity of bikes and if I had the funds, I would probably own bikes of all makes and models. I think one's bike should reflect their personality and taste, not define it.
Well said. One of the best posts on this thread. I currently ride a Suzuki C90. I have nothing against any other metric manufacturer, Harley, Victory, or any other brand. Buy what you like. There are several Harley models I like as well as a couple of Triumph, Kawasaki, and Star cruisers as well. I don't think any one brand is better than the other, just different. The only thing I will say negative is some Harley riders will turn down their noses at someone not riding a Harley. And I say some, not all. I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. I personally think that those attitudes are what originally started the cultural/brand war if you will in this country between Harley riders and metric riders.
As for the wrenching thing and HD vs Metrics. Not sure where you are going with this. Most HD riders I know cannot work on their bike. Got a friend who has all his service/maintenance done at the dealer. $95 for an oil change!! Excuse me? I do all of my own wrenching, both my Harley and Honda. I will expect some metric on the Honda, but I am giggling when I find it on my Harley. Just the same, go pull the front caliper on a HD. Better have a 12 point #12 metric socket. Crazier still is that the pad pins are 1/4 inch 12 point. Who engineered this? 12 point 1/4 inch?? Sounds like a specialty tool. Probably is. Another attempt to keep me from working on my own bike. Because I can work on my bike (bit weak on electronic diagnostics, though) just before riding season every year my friends (i.e. posers) want to have a tune-up party. Translation: You tune-up our bikes and we feed you beer!! Nothing infuriates me more when I am working on a bike and see how some engineer has taken something simple and changed it so a biker can't work on it.
It's not. At least not to me. Some of the others here, well, judge for yourself.
I think all riders should just appreciate the fact that there are so many of us around now....and not give a hoot what other people ride....enjoy the day!!!
I did the instrument pod and some other stuff on my Softtail
but those pics are on my Microsoft mahine which is not hooked
up right now. I'll try a club page I used to be on and see if
I can find any, but the Sporty is an example of being an
'individual' ha ha ha
I took a lot of crap for the pink from real, ruff tuff HD doodz
at dealer events and stuff. Seems some people are all about
the 'indiviual' stuff until they actually come across someone
doing something 'individual'
I got this great stuff from equilter.com for about 8.00
for enuff to do a '69 Caddy. I guess no real market for
pink zebra furr.
BTW, I'm not all that far from Ephrata so I may have to check out that monthly thing sometime.
Even if it were categorically the case that HD's were only for the wealthy, that wouldn't bother me at all. Maserati's are pretty much only for the wealthy, and I still think they're awesome, even tho I'll never be able to afford one. I'm happy for those who can (especially Kate Beckinsale
But the truth is, you can buy a new Sportster for about $6k, and if Sportsters aren't your thing, a new Super Glide for about $12k, Any "comparable" metric bike new is going to be pretty close to those prices. A little less, sure. Big deal?
With regards to your initial post...I enjoyed reading it and concur. The HD dealers weren't always this fantastic as you describe. Like everything else the MOCO has gone thru a roller coaster of changes over the many years. And still there are shietty MOCO dealerships out there. While not always haven ridden HD's(you got to crawl before you walk) you are spot on in your comparrison. I paid 6500$ fo my 1983 FLHS new. 26 years later it is worth about 6000$. Get a new GW and see what you get for it in 26years.
I was also attracted to the Kawasaki Vulcan Indian look alike bike. A friend of mine recently bought one and guess what... the freaken skirted fenders are f'ing plastic. That is a bunch of shiet. How long will those hold up on normal wear and tear rode use? I'll tell you how long...not long before they start getting chewed up. Too bad, nice looking bike.
I have read that Hyosung bikes are as well questionable.
Of late I been contemplating buying a GW becaudse of all the awards and ride reviews and raves. I have yet to test ride one. A dealer let me sit on one once but not ride it. At least it let me know my 5'7 1/2 frame can flat foot the rig. The GW by all research accounts looks like every bit the touring king its presented to be. The deal maker or breaker will be the ride.
Thanks for sharing personal insight. Your opinion is from experience. Its a valued opinion and spot on in many stated instances.
Last edited by badinfluence63; 09-05-2009 at 01:02 AM.
Would that be the situation at a Harley dealer?
The past owner of the local HD dealer wouldn't even look at anything below the softail. I owned a 1983 and a 1963 at the time. I managed elsewhere. He's gone now and the new owners rock.
With the advent of all things computerized and as a consequence, 10 year old harley OEM parts are almost becoming obsolete. When putting in a stage one download and SE 204 cam in my 2001 Ultra we had to search nation wide to get the download cartridge because they weren't being produced anymore.
Incidentally in the same state Showa builds those forks, Ohio.
I think the point was the American HD isnt all American....we could argue part per part....but we all know that HD outsources parts from overseas.....just like everyone else.
I dont get into a real rant about it until someone accuses me of taking away American jobs by riding a Honda instead of a Harley......when in reality Honda employs far more American then Harley ever has.
Im a 155lb vegitarian who doesnt even drink beer. I put fuschia zebra fur on all the parts of my Harleys most guys had the skull&flame stuff. Theres a lot of non-HD guys who ride HD's. I would suggest to anyone who is into really being a non-conformist/rebel/anarchist and revolt against tEh MaN holdin' you down, get a scooter. Those guys will put all but the 1%'ers to shame as far as doing cool stuff, getttin loaded, naked and par-taying !
No judgments here, just observations.
My Apples OK, way better than Microsoft, the HD of the computer
world
A collective of individuals?