outlaw image - benefits

[black27696]

I had another thread about the unintended outlaw image of some of us riders, which is still a good conversation. This is a bit of a different topic about why the image might be a good thing.

So today I'm riding around a little bit and I end up at a local park. I'm in all of my gear (boots, chaps, jacket, gloves, black leather). I have my helmet clipped to my bike when I hear an argument going on a little ways away from me. There are two girls walking to their car with a few guys following them saying (somewhat) obscene things to them and asking them to hang out with them. The girls are telling them to leave them alone so they can leave. As I'm watching, the girls are almost breaking in to a run to get away and the closer one looks at me with what I can only describe as a look of almost panic. I simply yelled "hey!" and the guys stop. They turn and look at me, with some attempt at intimidation. Without blinking, I turned my head slightly to the side and down. They looked at one another and began walking away.

I guess sometimes looking like a stereotype can be a good thing.

[New Rider 1234]

I work in an office full time, but carry a studded walled with chain all the time because I frequently ride other peoples bikes for them because I have more road experience, but finally looking to buy my own.

When I go food shopping and I get it out of my pocket people look at my funny but like they don't think I'm a push over kind of way, besides I'm kind of a built 185 6' guy anyways but the chain gets attention both when I do ride and when I'm in business casual.

[j2look]

Good job Black you did the right thing, Helped the girls and didnt have to hurt anyone

[daw840]

LOL, I don't think anyone will be intimidated by my little Hawk and blue racer jacket/helmet. LOL.

[speed.shredder19]

Nice. It's always fun when things are not what they seem. You must have felt like you were being filmed. Totally sounds like a movie moment.

[black27696]

I looked at it like hey, they aren't that big, and I have a knife plus a roll of nickels taped up in such a fashion specifically for problems like this. If something does happen, I'll be fine. I don't like seeing women treated badly.

[iTrek]

What's the roll of nickels for? Is a roll of nickels heavy or something?

[j2look]

What's the roll of nickels for? Is a roll of nickels heavy or something?

It gives you a solid fist that will assist in not breaking some bones in your hand.
It also gives more weight to your blows.

Brass knuckles without protection of your knuckles

[iTrek]

It gives you a solid fist that will assist in not breaking some bones in your hand.
It also gives more weight to your blows.

Brass knuckles without protection of your knuckles

Ah I see, thank you for clearing that up.

[black27696]

brass knuckles are also illegal in most states unless you have a concealed weapon permit for them. a roll of nickels is just change.

[New Rider 1234]

Rolls of change are the oldest tricks in the book and perfect for any situation where a gun, knife, or actual weapon may not be appropropriate.

However it is always nice to have a CWP on your person for whatever reason.
Some people will find that the wallet chains can be used as a weapon, so certain places will not allow a person to wear them.

[chaindad]

Attaboy black! You are one bad mofo....or at least look like one....heh!

[internationalballer]

He's one bad muther. Shut your mouth. I'm talkin bout black baby, oh we can dig it.

[primalmu]

Granted, I don't fit the outlaw image, with my sport bike racing jacket, full face helmet, and my cruiser that thinks its a sport bike, but I rest easy with the knowledge that if I ever get into an altercation while I'm wearing my gear it should end in my favor. With my CE armor, helmet, and gloves with knuckle armor, I should be able to take just about any punch without flinching, and then dish out a world of hurt.

[black27696]

I wear a full faced helmet which may take away from it a little bit but given my size, the amount of leather, and the assumption most people make that I have weapons (which is a correct assumption), make up for it.

[bcane98]

brass knuckles are also illegal in most states unless you have a concealed weapon permit for them. a roll of nickels is just change.

Depending on your hand size depends on which roll you should be using... dimes, pennies, nickle, quarters... I have smaller hands, so a roll of pennies fits much better, but again I am 6' 180 and like the color black.

Keep in mind presentation is 90% of the fight... punking someone is better than physical altercation to me. :cool:

[black27696]

I'd rather intimidate than actually fight. My hand would probably fit better with a roll or quarters but, that's 10 bucks! So a roll of nickels wrapped with electrical tape just right to give a good grip will work fine for me.

[bcane98]

I'd rather intimidate than actually fight. My hand would probably fit better with a roll or quarters but, that's 10 bucks! So a roll of nickels wrapped with electrical tape just right to give a good grip will work fine for me.

I'm one to try to be one step ahead... keep in mind perception is reality (in the eye of the law) and a roll of coins in a electrical tape could be... and probably will be... perceived as a weapon with intent; just an opinion though :D Please be careful :cool:

[black27696]

Well, if there was an issue I would ditch the roll afterward somehow. Just finding a roll when I haven't done anything isn't illegal, and neither is the knife I carry (just under legal limit and a lockback)

[New Rider 1234]

Just get a bankers roll and fill it up then tape the ends shut for security.

[MichaelW]

Sheet man, I am an Old Bald Fat Guy. But when in leathers wearing a mask, I can use the "look" and THE LOOK to make sure some idjit stays out of my lane. :D

[GI Jack]

a bluff is a bluff, remember that. you'll only get away with it until someone calls you on it. Then you have to fight. Thats the problem with you office worker types. Your run around with the tough guy image, trying to bluff, and then cry when you get called and loose.

I don't understand you call it an "outlaw" image. In most places self-defense is legal, and so is dressing anyway you want, and culture is not legally defined or enforced by law. Never let anyone tell you counter-culture is against the law. Neither is protecting yourself.

presentation is 90% of a fight for people who don't get into them.

edit: here's the flip side of the "outlaw" image. IF the cops think you look like the lawbreaking type, ANYTHING can be a weapon if they want it to.

a roll of quaters in a sock will get you arrested. It doesn't matter what you think, the cops will take you in, and a jury won't care.

Any sort of knife is a weapon if you look suspicious.

Cops aren't stupid, and your not the first person to think of it. I had a cop tell me once he could if he wanted to find a reason to arrest anyone he wants walking down the street. Guess what, judges don't second guess cops most of the time. If they say you did it, you did it, at least until you can get to a lawyer and have it thrown out, but it ends there, you'll never see a cop disciplined for it. SO don't listen to ****house lawyers.

[FlyBy]

So i guess you hold the penny roll tight in your fist and then hit it.. but this way don't you think it would cause more damage to your knuckles ??

i am just wondering as i have never used it.

[daw840]

So i guess you hold the penny roll tight in your fist and then hit it.. but this way don't you think it would cause more damage to your knuckles ??

i am just wondering as i have never used it.

It gives your fist more weight and momentum, it also braces the fingers so you don't end up breaking them.

[nebraskarider]

also way to many people tuck there thumbs in when the punch which is bad. a roll doesn't allow that. I don't go looking for fights anymore but when I was younger thats what it was all about. Glad to here you could help some ladies out. That crap ****es me off.

[bcane98]

a bluff is a bluff, remember that. you'll only get away with it until someone calls you on it. Then you have to fight. Thats the problem with you office worker types. Your run around with the tough guy image, trying to bluff, and then cry when you get called and loose.

I have received more than I have given that is for sure, but I get respected more for not running away like a punk... pain is temporary, pride is forever, but either way it still hurts :D

It's not just the office type workers that bluff... I have seen many "tough looking guys/gals" talk the talk, but when it cam time to the walk they ran away only to return with weapons or a gaggle of so called friends. Their is no fair in fighting, but...

I don't understand you call it an "outlaw" image. In most places self-defense is legal...

Outlaw is a label provided by society... labels, who needs 'em... :rolleyes:

Self Defense can be claimed, but it has to be proven for justification. Hope you got a good lawyer (common theme for anyone)

presentation is 90% of a fight for people who don't get into them.

I'm too old to be fighting, at least that is how I feel now days (LOL). It hurts much more than when I was in my 20's, so I will do my best to represent myself until my hand is forced... Plus my daughter told me I am not allowed to fight anymore cause the results of the last one scared her too much :D something about what a steel toe boot can do to a face... kicking a man while he's pinned down is for punks...

I had a cop tell me once he could if he wanted to find a reason to arrest anyone he wants walking down the street...

Either way you're gonna need a lawyer!

[black27696]

Any altercations I have gotten in I usually end up slowly squeezing the life out of the other guy by the throat. It's around that time that they stop wanting to fight. The weapons are a contingency plan.

[chaindad]

Hey Black....I was thinking of this thread as I was reading your post in General Discussion stating that moped riders flip you off....heh....so much for the outlaw image huh????:rolleyes:

[black27696]

Well, I guess they figure that from across the road going the opposite direction they'll be able to get away from me. Then again, it takes a certain amount of intelligence to have fear of something or to know when you're making a bad decision. Flipping off someone you don't know anything about doesn't exhibit much intelligence.

They'd probably flip off Hells Angels too. Sometimes people see me as the God fearing individual I am, sometimes it's a devil on wheels. It's pretty random sometimes.

[WVEngraver]

I can't believe some of the stuff in this thread ... kinda funny.

If you put on boots and leather before you go for a ride, you are wearing a costume. A weekend warrior in a costume. No different than a Texan that wears a big hat and spurs but has never rode a horse.

I believe that if someone is intimidated, it is because of their own insecurities ... whether or not it is the "costume" that is intimidating them.

As a retired Massachusetts Outlaw, I know the difference between a costume and the real deal. Honestly, it ain't much and there's nothing cool about intimidating the brain dead masses when surveillance choppers are filming the whole thing from above.

The insecurities of the brain dead masses feed the law enforcement machine. If you think it is cool to "intimidate" when you wear your costume, then you only provide little old ladies with more reason to press the cops to crack down on bikers using 30 year old books and movie propaganda.

[black27696]

Actually, most of us put on leather so if we do go down from someone cutting us off we don't have all of the skin ripped from our bodies causing us to bleed to death in the street. If that's not important to you, then don't wear any.

Also, your comment feels a little like you are insulting people for being "weekend warriors". Keep in mind that direct personal insults will not be tolerated, per the rules of the forum.

Based on your location information, I could insult you for being a potato farmer, but I won't, because it's a hard job and I have respect for that. (I'm assuming that's what is meant by "taters").

[black27696]

I have a feeling that this thread might go a bad direction from this point forward. Rather than let a flame war catch fire, I'm closing it.