ticket for riding bike on the freeway and at night without licence

[sanya yamahaR6]

Hey guys, i got a permit two months ago and passed the motorcycle rider-skill training course a week ago, but didn't get the hard copy of my M1 licence yet. i was driving my yamaha R6 at night and on the freeway and this cop pulls me over for not having reflectors on my licence plate. I told him that i passed the motorcycle riding test, but since i didn't have the hard copy of my licence he gave me a ticket for riding on the freeway and at night without a licence. Any ideas on what i should do with this ticket?

[jordanhoff]

fight it there should be some documentation that you do actually have your license

[sanya yamahaR6]

Well i don't actually have the licence. i just passed the driving test in the school where we pay and they teach us how to ride and in the end we pass the driving test. In a couple days i will receive a letter from that school. Then i have to take it to the DMV. Maybe only after that they will count me as having an M1 license. But does passing the driving test in that school count as having a licence?

[lago]

But does passing the driving test in that school count as having a licence?

:rolleyes: No it doesn't.

[Dan631]

More than likely when you show up to court with your endorsement(and insurance) the judge will dismiss the charges.

[Dodsfall]

More than likely when you show up to court with your endorsement(and insurance) the judge will dismiss the charges.

I agree it's worth a shot. It's pretty much up to the judge. Be prepared to pay the fine if the judge is having a bad day or doesn't like motorcycles.

[Cruzrat]

worst case scenario ........... you'll get a fine and you will not be able to get you hard copy for 6 months and have to retake all your tests again ............ if the judge is in a bad mood

Ya should have thought about it before you took off riding without a license...... good luck ... you'll need it

Rat

[kschilk]

I agree it's worth a shot. It's pretty much up to the judge. Be prepared to pay the fine if the judge is having a bad day or doesn't like motorcycles.

It's all BS, to begin with. When I got my MC permit (back in '74), I could ride alone and at night....anytime, anywhere and on anything. There's no legitimate reasoning behind any of these restrictions, that they're putting on licenses...they're just like 99.999% of the laws in this country, they serve no purpose....other than to generate revenue. They count on the confusion, to make criminals out of law-abiding citizens and really, it's getting out of hand. Where the hell is the AMA!?! They're the ones who should be fighting this crap, that's what their membership is paying for...supposedly. The legality of one's actions, shouldn't be dependent on whether a cop or judge got laid last night or had stale donuts, this morning.

[calebh]

you don't have your license, and you got a ticket for not having your license. pretty much sounds like you're going to have to pay it. whether or not you've passed the course or whatever, you broke a pretty straightforward law. pay the fine.

[Dan631]

The legality of one's actions, shouldn't be dependent on whether a cop or judge got laid last night or had stale donuts, this morning.

The legality of his actions aren't in question. Riding without a lisence is illegal, no question there. Whether or not he will lose his riding privledge or have to pay a fine is.

[sanya yamahaR6]

Does anyone know how much the fine will be if i will have to pay it?

[Custom85VT]

That depends entirely on what state you live in. :rolleyes:
It most likely says somewhere on the ticket.

[sanya yamahaR6]

I live in California. and will there be a point on my record for it?

[Wrangler212]

worst case scenario ........... you'll get a fine and you will not be able to get you hard copy for 6 months and have to retake all your tests again ............

If you send the ticket in as not guilty, then it will buy you some time until the court date. Make sure you go get your M endorsement before that court date. If you already have it on your license, you may not have to worry about having to wait another six months and possible have the charges dropped. Not a guarantee but you can at least stack the deck a bit in your favor.

It's all BS, to begin with. When I got my MC permit (back in '74), I could ride alone and at night....anytime, anywhere and on anything. There's no legitimate reasoning behind any of these restrictions, that they're putting on licenses...they're just like 99.999% of the laws in this country, they serve no purpose....other than to generate revenue. They count on the confusion, to make criminals out of law-abiding citizens and really, it's getting out of hand. Where the hell is the AMA!?! They're the ones who should be fighting this crap, that's what their membership is paying for...supposedly. The legality of one's actions, shouldn't be dependent on whether a cop or judge got laid last night or had stale donuts, this morning.

I do agree wholeheartedly with what you're saying but until we start voting for people who don't actually want the job, this is what will continue to happen.

Those who want these jobs will inevitably revel in the power. Those who do not want the job will do what is necessary and more efficient so they can get the hell out and go home. They're not interested in giving pretty speeches and regulating every little thing. They just want to get the job done so they can go deal with their own life.

[jmark]

You were riding without a license. You got a ticket for riding without a license. You broke the law. What makes you special that you don't have to pay for breaking the law?

Not to mention...an R6? For someone who has only had a permit for two months and does not have a MC license? Sheesh. ...

Please be safe. We would like to have you on the forum for a while.

[iamgumby]

Show up at court. You should have at least 10 days notice between the ticket date and the court date. If what you've told us true that should be sufficient time to obtain your MC license. Walk in with a smile on your face and be respectful. Show that you have your license. Maybe yes, maybe no. Make a phone call to the court - talk to the court clerk - that will elimate the drama. You can find out if having a license will result in dismissing the ticket or find out much the fine is. :)

[jordanhoff]

I guess I did not understand, the question at hand, so I guess my answer to this is correct. I would just go to court and face it.:eek:

[YamahaFan]

I'd say go to court. You might be able to dispute it with the document you receive from school WITH THE GRAD DATE (which is before the ticket date from what you said). Like others said, what you did was still illegal, but the judge might give you a break.

One question though: check the rule book or ask the school to see if riding right after passing the course but no written statement is really illegal. Meh if I WERE the judge I'd give you a break on that if that rule's not written anywhere (or *I*'d just give you a break period lol)

[DukesFin]

I'd say pay the ticket. No license is no license.

The best lessons are the hardest ones.

I love the law here: Permit means no riding at night and no passengers on the bike. It's like that so you can get used to riding your bike. Once you get used to it, do whatever.

You broke the law, now pay for it. Nothing complicated there.

[MirrorrorriM]

you don't have your license, and you got a ticket for not having your license. pretty much sounds like you're going to have to pay it. whether or not you've passed the course or whatever, you broke a pretty straightforward law. pay the fine.

I agree. When you completed the course, they gave you a waiver to get your license at the DMV so you didn't have to take the road test there. You don't technically have any legal reason to be riding outside of your permit boundaries as far as the law is concerned. That's why I got my license the day after I passed.

What you did is essentially the same as going to the DMV, taking the road course, passing, and leaving before you could get put on record and get your license.

Should you fight it? Sure, give it a shot, you may just have to pay the ticket. But no guarantees.

[DukesFin]

Why encourage him to fight it? He did it, he admits to it. Instead, he might take up the time and money of the courts.

If you fight it and lose, they should tack on extra $$$ to your fine for wasting their time and tax money.

Jeez... Right and wrong isn't a "gray area" here. Pay the ticket and get over it.

[sw_scharf]

Send a copy of your passing test results along with a copy of the ticket to the PA's office. That's what my coworkers (da popo) tell people they cite for no proof insurance. They later fax their stuff to the PA showing they did have insurance at the time of the stop even though they didn't have proof on them, and the charges get dropped. Maybe you will be so lucky...

[YamahaFan]

Why encourage him to fight it? He did it, he admits to it. Instead, he might take up the time and money of the courts.

If you fight it and lose, they should tack on extra $$$ to your fine for wasting their time and tax money.

Jeez... Right and wrong isn't a "gray area" here. Pay the ticket and get over it.

it's not just about the ticket, it's about insurance too, paying it doesn't mean you can "get over" it. I'm not sure if OP is young (under 21?), if he is then that'll be tougher. Imagine you get a ticket even before you have license. I'm pretty sure the insurance company will be happy to double the cost (so to speak)

[DukesFin]

it's not just about the ticket, it's about insurance too, paying it doesn't mean you can "get over" it. I'm not sure if OP is young (under 21?), if he is then that'll be tougher. Imagine you get a ticket even before you have license. I'm pretty sure the insurance company will be happy to double the cost (so to speak)

That's what being young is about... Learning lessons.

[Bu11dogg2]

call the prosecutor 2 weeks before your trial.

Expalint the situation to him.

[rexmitchell]

In Texas as long as you weren't going 30 over the speed limit, that ticket will automatically get dismissed by taking the safety class, or in your case, by already having taken it. You would just have to pay a $30 dismissal fee.