Lace up vs pull on MC boots

[Tankhead]

Are lace up boots better than the pull on boots eventhough they they dont cover as much of the calf? i was looking at some pull on w/ about 12" of shaft length vs lace up w/ about 1/2 as much shaft length. I want to get some TM Flex Series 2 pants to match my jacket but if I go down I'd hate to have my pants pushed up my leg leaving my calf exposed w/ lace up boots. Or have the pull up boots come off my foot. Which type do u wear? Thanks.

[CookinBeans]

As loose as engineer boots are, why kind of protection do you suppose they offer? If YOU can pull them off- so can the car that hits you.

I wear Red Wings that lace up abpout 10 inches. Good thick leather, lace-ups provide support. I am convinced I have both feet because I was wearing my Red Wings- they kept my foot from coming off completely.

I imagine if I was wearing engineer boots, my right boot would be in the woods- with my foot in it. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[KMWilliams]

Lace up, for all the reason Beans states above.

[Badlands-4-2]

I have a pair of pull on boots from Milwaukee that go up 14 inches. These are great when it is cold out because they keep any air from going up my leg and provide an extra layer of insulation too. Other than that I always wear lace ups. For all the reasons already mentioned, and because they are much more comfortable to walk around in while off the bike.

[Tankhead]

Thanks all. I'm glad I asked. I went to a local livestock & farm supply store that has a great supply of western boots and some lace ups. The pull ons just felt so loose. I wanted them cause they fit under my toe shifter better than a lot of the lace ups I could find online or local. I have a heel shifter but I've always used a toe shifter. But I'll learn to use the heel shifter.

[KMWilliams]

Thanks all. ... But I'll learn to use the heel shifter.

FWIW, it only took me about 100 miles to get use to a Heel / Toe shifter on my bike.

[CookinBeans]

I don't see why you couldn't change it out for a normal shift lever. ?

[vistavette]

FWIW, it only took me about 100 miles to get use to a Heel / Toe shifter on my bike.


I love my heel shifter; I can't imagine life without it. That being said; you should be able to use the regular toe shifter just in case of an unforseen situation. I had my heel shifter come lose once for example.

[Tankhead]

I like Chippewa lace-up boots. Even the Carolina's but less of a selection than what Chippewa offers. They are on the expensive sive for my budget but I think Ican find some good deals if I search. I like a few of the manufacturers listed in this website, http://www.stompersboots.com/gtwy_laceup-011.php, but am finding better prices elsewhere. On a recent trip to Florida I had the opportunity to go to shop motorcycle acessory stores and tried on some a the imported laceups and was not overly satisfied.

[just_some_dude]

I just picked up these the other day. Very quick to take on and off and seem to hold quite well when strapped.

I can't post an image yet because my post count is low (I'm a newb), but just search Gaerne G Aktive Boots.

When I get enough posts I'll update this with an image.

[just_some_dude]

In the meantime this will take you directly to an image:

motorcyclecloseouts.com/dir/large_img.php?id=53254

[68BS90]

I'm a fan of lace ups with the side zipper. Easy on, easy off. The drawback is that they're not waterproof, but rain covers are $25 and do the job.

[Tankhead]

I just picked up these the other day. Very quick to take on and off and seem to hold quite well when strapped.

I can't post an image yet because my post count is low (I'm a newb), but just search Gaerne G Aktive Boots.

When I get enough posts I'll update this with an image.

Damn, those are expensive. I couldn't get the address to work but I did a search and the cheapest was $199. I was lookin to spend $150, at the most. I haven't done an exhaustive search, but are they that good?

[just_some_dude]

You know, I just got them and I've worn them once so far. Haven't really had the opportunity to put them to the test. I'm impressed with the quality, they are extremely quick to take on and off. As for comfort, again, I haven't really had the opportunity to mess with them. In addition, they're also the first boots/shoes I've ever purchased. One thing that I've found annoying, but I imagine I could get used to after a couple rides, is the heel on the boots. It just seems awkward when riding. I think it's because I'm so used to riding with flat bottom shoes.

When I searched these out I was looking for something I would likely wear. So, there was a bit of "fashion" in my decision. That being said I was happy with the protection they offered for the type of riding I'll be doing. Give me a few days and I could have a better review for you. I've only spent about 15 mins with them.

When I get enough posts, I can put them on and get some pics of how high they go and what they look like on.

[just_some_dude]

I got a little more time with the boots. Surprisingly, to me, they didn't get hot in the hot and humid weather. They were quite comfortable. My only complaint at this point is if you're wearing socks below the ankle, the boot tends to "pinch" just so very slightly on the skin. I'm talking very slight. It would probably be a little more comfortable with longer/higher socks. They come on any off quick and although I haven't taking them in the rain, seem as though they will be water proof. The leather/fabric on them tend to be thick as well.

[Tankhead]

I hope these will work for a while. Do you think these are okay? They are the Timberland Pro Titan 6" Lace-to-Toe.

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5532/timberlandboots003.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/9/timberlandboots003.jpg/)

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[Gold5th]

I wear the tourmaster wp solution boots. They're a pull on with a side zip and velcro to keep them on. Fairly high and water proof. They fit a little loose, but aren't going to come off.

Day-to-day for riding in my small town I use Original Swat 9" classic side zip boots. They have a waterproof version as well. They don't offer the best ankle protection, but it's a small farmer town and only 3 miles round trip.

[Tankhead]

I hear ya on the short rides. I'll check those out. I just had to get these last weekend at Sears for $45 (Sale plus coupon). Needed something for quick removal for work everyday. I hope I don't start gathering a collection of em.

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[secondroy]

Tankhead, I do like those boots and if they are as good as they look you have a steal at $45.

[zmago]

I wear hiking boots like the Timberlands in the picture, but you have to be careful you don't leave the loops in the knots long enough to get caught in the brake or the shifter. I tie mine in a triple knot.

[Tankhead]

Tankhead, I do like those boots and if they are as good as they look you have a steal at $45.

I really like em for riding to work and short trips. Their just the Sears Die-Hard brand. I little more difficult to shift w/ the longer shaft length but I just have to make a good effort to lift my toe every downshift and its all good. The heel\toe shifter is really working out and nice not wearing tennis shoes anymore.

[Tankhead]

I wear hiking boots like the Timberlands in the picture, but you have to be careful you don't leave the loops in the knots long enough to get caught in the brake or the shifter. I tie mine in a triple knot.

Most definately on the knots. These are very comfortable. I sometimes wonder if I'm sacrificing some safety over comfort wearing these. Eventhough they are a quality shoe. On a side note, Slovenia? Damn, its is a small world after all! You take care!

[zmago]

Most definately on the knots. These are very comfortable. I sometimes wonder if I'm sacrificing some safety over comfort wearing these. Eventhough they are a quality shoe. On a side note, Slovenia? Damn, its is a small world after all! You take care!

It's certainly a small country. When Slovenia joined NATO they could only buy helicopters because as soon as jets take off they're out of Slovenian airspace. :D

[4Raven]

I just bought a pair of Ridge Boots, with zippers and laces, not sure why they put on both....but I like the zippers they are really quick and easy to remove, especially after a long day of riding....or when you have overpants on....

[curtis41]

I measured and bought a pair of Carolina boots, lace-ups, about 8-9 inches tall. The way I measured them was to put on a pair of thick socks, then trace the foot with socks on vertically with a pencil on a paper bag. Then, read the size off the chart. They cost $129 on the Internet, and it took one cow for each boot for me, 15 EE. :-) They are comfortable and well made. In just a few tries, I could put them on and off very quickly and they provide good ankle protection. Next pair, IF I can wear these out will be another Carolina boot.

[Tankhead]

Hey, I got your PM's yesterday. Thank you for your time giving me some good info. Had to take the boy the Karate last night and the usual evening with the family so I haven't had time to reply. Sorry bout that!

[aaronrkelly]

Ive always been a work boot/swat boot type wearer .... its what I wear everyday so it was convenient.

.....until this.

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I had a very mild get off at a breakneck 15mph. On the way down my foot hooked on something......my Carhartt work boots offered no protection from side to side motion and my ankle gave.......along with that small leg bone.

They said the leg bone wouldnt have broke except when my ankle over rotated the tendons that attach it connect to the leg bone, so it pulled hard enough on the tendons that it snapped the bone. I also have a couple of plastic screws holding my tendons together in my ankle.

15 mph accident.....the bike didnt have a mark on it......I ended up with $15K in medical bills (after insurance paid out I only owe like $800, but I shudder to think).....and I was out of work for 3 months......I was told absolutely NO pressure was to be put on my foot....yeah, this summer sucked hard.

I now wear Tourmaster Solutions on road......and when I ride dual sport I wear full motocross boots, Alpinestar Tech 6s.

.......I cant afford to be cheap on boots. Saving a few dollars and convenience cost me $800......could have cost me $15K.......and put me out of work for 3 months.

The **** part, I only put about 20K on my bike this year because of the injury....I had plans to ride some of Canada....didnt happen.

[Tankhead]

Thanks for taking the time out to post this. I remember seeing your pics in another thread a few months ago. Not something you can forget seeing very easily. I will have to say my boots did save me today from the bike going down on my ankle. Put up a thread about it New Bike/New Rider Section. But that doesn't mean their better than MC specific boots. You really like those Solutions, huh. I did a quick search on em. Do they have space between your lower calf? They look very wide at the top. Anyways, thanks for the recomendation.

[aaronrkelly]

Thanks for taking the time out to post this. I remember seeing your pics in another thread a few months ago. Not something you can forget seeing very easily. I will have to say my boots did save me today from the bike going down on my ankle. Put up a thread about it New Bike/New Rider Section. But that doesn't mean their better than MC specific boots. You really like those Solutions, huh. I did a quick search on em. Do they have space between your lower calf? They look very wide at the top. Anyways, thanks for the recomendation.

Yeah they seem to "flare" out at the top. In theory your supposed to be able to pull them tight around your leg with before you velcro them closed at the top....but it doesnt work for me. This time of year that space is handy so I can tuck my jeans in.......keeps the wind from blowing up my pants leg......kinda like gauntlet boots.

The Solutions are great budget boots.....for another $100 you could definitely get far better protection. Its what I could spend at the time....and I fell they did offer an advantage over work boots.

The first obvious thing I noticed was the lack of laces. I was always getting my boot laces wrapped around the brake lever......the highway pegs etc. I once almost rear ended a car because I couldnt get my foot off the highway pegs to get to the rear brake. Thankfully I practice effective braking with the front brake so I got it stopped in time. This one "feature" alone make them invaluable to me.

I got a bit more protective boot for my dual sport riding......but also more restrictive. Considering the potential for injury I will give up some comfort for protection.

[Gold5th]

I have tourmaster WP solutions as well.. A lady tried to take me out in a traffic circle, I went down and I figure the boots saved me from a broken ankle.

[zmago]

A real lady wouldn't have done that.

[Reista]

Laceless would be the best, If you need laces then make SURE you can cover them with something on the boot or tuck them securely, pants are don't count as covering either

[murphyshuman]

Yeah they seem to "flare" out at the top. In theory your supposed to be able to pull them tight around your leg with before you velcro them closed at the top....but it doesnt work for me. This time of year that space is handy so I can tuck my jeans in.......keeps the wind from blowing up my pants leg......kinda like gauntlet boots.

The Solutions are great budget boots.....for another $100 you could definitely get far better protection. Its what I could spend at the time....and I fell they did offer an advantage over work boots.

The first obvious thing I noticed was the lack of laces. I was always getting my boot laces wrapped around the brake lever......the highway pegs etc. I once almost rear ended a car because I couldnt get my foot off the highway pegs to get to the rear brake. Thankfully I practice effective braking with the front brake so I got it stopped in time. This one "feature" alone make them invaluable to me.

I got a bit more protective boot for my dual sport riding......but also more restrictive. Considering the potential for injury I will give up some comfort for protection.

Dude...sorry to hear about your mishap, been wondering where you were. Your story convinced me to stay with my Sidi's! I broke my ankle 2 years ago in a tragic weed eating accident, the rehab sucked.

[secondroy]

Laces work best for me and I use a pair of Red Wing 6"s. They come with short laces which I have replaced once with another pair of short laces to keep them from getting into my gears and brake. This has worked OK for me without any problems.

[distantThunder]

Got one pair of both ... lace up and zip up.
All my boots fit really well.
There's no slop, and I doubt they would get ripped off in an accident.

Gotta' tell ya' one thing, though.
One pair of my boots is just your basic lace-up HD enginer boot.
Nothing fancy. But they're a good solid boot.
Trouble is - the soles can be pretty slick when you put them down on damp asphalt. They can really skate on the freeway surface, if there's been a rain shower. I'm sure its due to the combo of water and oil that sits on top of the road.

But the lack of friction from the soles of the boots is insane.
maybe there's something you can do to improve how those boots stick to the road. I gotta' figure that out.

cheers,
dT

[KMWilliams]

But the lack of friction from the soles of the boots is insane.
maybe there's something you can do to improve how those boots stick to the road. I gotta' figure that out.

cheers,
dT


Anti Slip Tape. (http://www.lowes.com/pd_96654-1681-61202_0__?productId=3183197&Ntt=anti+slip+tape&pl=1&currentURL=%2Fpl__0__s%3FNtt%3Danti%2Bslip%2Btape&facetInfo=) I had a pair of dress shoe's with full leather soles that I did this too.

[Slim Johnson]

I have a pair of Sidi Vertigo Air boots that I wear when I ride. They have a zipper on the side, and go half way up my shin.

They weren't cheap at ~300$. As Arronkelly pointed out, neither is surgery.

Is it really worth saving a few bucks when it comes to your safety???

[TennesseeZ]

Got one pair of both ... lace up and zip up.
All my boots fit really well.
There's no slop, and I doubt they would get ripped off in an accident.

Gotta' tell ya' one thing, though.
One pair of my boots is just your basic lace-up HD enginer boot.
Nothing fancy. But they're a good solid boot.
Trouble is - the soles can be pretty slick when you put them down on damp asphalt. They can really skate on the freeway surface, if there's been a rain shower. I'm sure its due to the combo of water and oil that sits on top of the road.

But the lack of friction from the soles of the boots is insane.
maybe there's something you can do to improve how those boots stick to the road. I gotta' figure that out.


cheers,
dT

Thinking about buying a pair of River Road Double Zipper Field Boots,
Like Boots , but like the idea of getting them on like this.
They are 7 1/2 tall uppers and double Zippers, they actually are a lace up type Boot too. I think the idea is a person laces them up to stay then uses the zippers to get them off and on, Anyone seen them or tried them? They look almost like a paratrooper type combat boot.Kinda of a heavy type boot..oh well..
Thoughts anyone?

[distantThunder]

Don't know those specific boots.
I've got one pair of zip-up boots, where one side of the boot has a zipper. And the other side has some velcro straps that let you cinch down tight on the boot. That's really good - because you can get a good tight fit to your leg. That's what you really want ... a boot that's comfortable, tough, and fits really well to your leg. I'd say try those boots on if you can possibly do it. The one issue is that maybe by having two zippers there's too much wiggle room inside the boot. That's bad - cuz it will get dragged off if you have an accident and skate along the asphalt.

I'm a cruiser rider, BTW.
So I'm in favor of tough, paratrooper-style boots.
If you ride hard - you need gear that can take it.

I don't really worry about my lace-up boots though.
It doesn't seem to take much more time to lace those boots ... I don't feel like the time is wasted. The good thing about laces - is that you're dead sure you've got the boots adjusted just right for your feet and legs.

Good luck buddy!
dT

[Slim Johnson]

River Road makes motorcycle specific gear, which is good. Steel shank= cold feet in cold weather.

How stiff is the boot? Is it resistant to twisting, or folding at the ankle?

When I look at boots, I imagine my bike falling onto my foot/ankle in a lowside, and dragging me across the pavement. Then I consider how well the boot will protect me in such an event.

If I think the boot will keep my leg from looking like Aaron's does in the above pictures, then I figure it's a good boot.

[aaronrkelly]

River Road makes motorcycle specific gear, which is good. Steel shank= cold feet in cold weather.

How stiff is the boot? Is it resistant to twisting, or folding at the ankle?

When I look at boots, I imagine my bike falling onto my foot/ankle in a lowside, and dragging me across the pavement. Then I consider how well the boot will protect me in such an event.

If I think the boot will keep my leg from looking like Aaron's does in the above pictures, then I figure it's a good boot.

Really....cause I just looked at River Road stuff and I think its a sad joke.

Their idea of a "motorcycle boot" is apparently any boot with a steel shank and a oil or sleep resistant resistant sole.....hello, thats almost ANY work boot. My Carhartt boots (the ones I was wearing when I forked my ankle) have a steel shank and oil resistant sole.....big f'n deal. Id wager a bet my Carhartt boots were made BETTER then the River Roads.....far better.

My opinion.....they offer NO more protection then a pair of $50 work boots from WalMart.....pointless.

This is River Roads "highway boot":

http://www.riverroadgear.com/Boots/images/Men%27s/BootsMenSideZipHighway.png

and their "guardian" - what is this POS going to guard against?

http://www.riverroadgear.com/Boots/images/Men%27s/BootsMenGuardian.png



......on the other hand for $110 you can get a boot with

Molded nylon shin and ankle guard backed with shock absorbing material
TecnoGI thermoplastic heel cut and toe cap
Preformed orthopedic vibration absorbing foot bed
3M ScotchLite on rear area for night time safety

the Tourmaster Solutions.

[Slim Johnson]

Really....cause I just looked at River Road stuff and I think its a sad joke.

I said it is good that they make MC specific gear; because there is typically better construction with regard to materials. Without seeing the boot personally, I can't (and didn't) endorse any boot. I would certainly not endorse a boot for riding that was NOT made by a company that makes MC specific gear. (ie, your carhartts, cowboy boots, wally world specials etc..)

And how do you know just from a photo that there isn't any sort of additional protection built internally into the boot?? There are minor additions that can be made in the construction that can protect your foot, ankle better than a typical work boot. Such as additional materials to make the boot torsionally resistant, thicker plastic heelcup, no steel toe, tougher leather, etc..

As I also said, I wear boots particularly designed for motorcycle riding, and that gear shouldn't be compromised to save a few dollars, using your experience as an example....

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I really don't care what anyone else is wearing, so long as I am not riding with them. I have read several ignorant comments on this forum with regard to safety, and how what you ride will have a correlative influence on your safety.. The idea that someone's Hardley, or cruiser, or 250 is somehow safer than any other bike is just ignorant. Just as it is ignorant to think that any gear not specific to motorcycles is going to hold up in an accident. Something you learned the hard way...

[aaronrkelly]

I said it is good that they make MC specific gear; because there is typically better construction with regard to materials. Without seeing the boot personally, I can't (and didn't) endorse any boot. I would certainly not endorse a boot for riding that was NOT made by a company that makes MC specific gear. (ie, your carhartts, cowboy boots, wally world specials etc..)


I didnt think you were endorsing those boots. I was merely point out that just because something says its a "motorcycle" boot (or any item) really doesnt mean squat. Alot of HDs stuff is "motorcycle" and its fashion......and sadly, thats pretty consistent with alot of the cruiser items. Ive put hands on alot of this stuff....its pathetic......and thats coming from a guy that wears a vest with patches......but atleast Im not trying to say Im wearing my vest for protection. Motorcycle = looking the part (in some cases).....not necessarily doing the job.



And how do you know just from a photo that there isn't any sort of additional protection built internally into the boot?? There are minor additions that can be made in the construction that can protect your foot, ankle better than a typical work boot. Such as additional materials to make the boot torsionally resistant, thicker plastic heelcup, no steel toe, tougher leather, etc..

Well I went to their website and read about their boot.....they listed all the features of the boot:

•
1-1/4” lugged heel, 6” tall upper
•
Oil-resistant rubber outsole
•
Treaded outsole; fully padded insole
•
Goodyear® welt construction
•
Tempered steel shank
•
Convenient side zipper
•
Includes 1-year manufacturer's warranty


Now *maybe* there is CE armor in there.....and thermoplastic heel and toe protection......and they just forgot to mention it....or didnt think it was a selling feature. More likely its just plain not there.....which is my guess.

Compare the features.....its a cheap ass work boot with word "motorcycle" stuck in front of it.





As I also said, I wear boots particularly designed for motorcycle riding, and that gear shouldn't be compromised to save a few dollars, using your experience as an example....

http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/slim_johnson/Untitled-5.png

I really don't care what anyone else is wearing, so long as I am not riding with them. I have read several ignorant comments on this forum with regard to safety, and how what you ride will have a correlative influence on your safety.. The idea that someone's Hardley, or cruiser, or 250 is somehow safer than any other bike is just ignorant. Just as it is ignorant to think that any gear not specific to motorcycles is going to hold up in an accident. Something you learned the hard way...

.....and those boots your wearing are some damn fine boots....far better protection then even the ones Im wearing. Each person has their "comfort" level when it comes to gear........for some thats flip flops......for some thats a 1 piece race suit. Ive just upped mine in a few key areas after learning a few lessons from meeting the pavement. I would like to have even better gear in some instances....but unfortunately budget does get in the way a bit so there are still some compromises.

However, my point is (for those reading thinking about buying boots) - DO NOT buy a boot because its a motorcycle boot without looking at the features. As shown above.....ALOT of motorcycle stuff is so for *fashion* reasons and not for protection. Most HD boots offer little protection....only marginally better then the River Road stuff mentioned above......and these boots cost well over $100 in some instances. $100 to $150 will get you in the budget range of some boots with actual protection so pay attention while your shopping.....you can do better.

......just cause it says its a motorcycle boot doesnt mean its any good and just because some tool trying to make a buck waves his magic wand over it doesnt make it "motorcycle" gear. Check the specs....

On the equipment note I agree.....Ive owned/do own crotch rockets, dual sports, sidecar rigs, sport quads, cruisers, a moped etc etc......Ive hurt myself on the low powered crap just idling along more often then not. **** happens....at any speed.

[Slim Johnson]

.... I was merely point out that just because something says its a "motorcycle" boot (or any item) really doesnt mean squat.....

... More likely its just plain not there.....which is my guess.

Compare the features.....its a cheap ass work boot with word "motorcycle" stuck in front of it....

....Each person has their "comfort" level when it comes to gear........for some thats flip flops......for some thats a 1 piece race suit

...- DO NOT buy a boot because its a motorcycle boot without looking at the features. As shown above.....ALOT of motorcycle stuff is so for *fashion* reasons and not for protection....

... $100 to $150 will get you in the budget range of some boots with actual protection so pay attention while your shopping.....you can do better.

......just cause it says its a motorcycle boot doesnt mean its any good and just because some tool trying to make a buck waves his magic wand over it doesnt make it "motorcycle" gear. Check the specs....

On the equipment note I agree.....Ive owned/do own crotch rockets, dual sports, sidecar rigs, sport quads, cruisers, a moped etc etc......Ive hurt myself on the low powered crap just idling along more often then not. **** happens....at any speed.


Very valid points. :thumbsup:

I agree it's important to do your homework when it comes to buying gear. As much as I can (damn internet!) I try on gear before I buy it, as well as investigating what I am getting for my money. Gobs of cash won't always get you the best product for your needs. Sadly, some riders put fashion ahead of safety.. Flip flops, doo rags, shorts etc.. Hell, I didn't wear a helmet on my bike until I was over 30!

Here is one example of poor decision making...
http://i674.photobucket.com/albums/vv108/slim_johnson/009.jpg

My first pair of MC boots were the Alpinestars Ridge boot. IIRC, they were ~140$, and offered some CE protection, as well as waterproofing. The downside was that they have velcro to cinch up the boot, which left me with the feeling that at speeds over 70mph they might not work so well. (come off the foot in an accident) Hence the sweet boots I have now. I passed the A-stars along to a buddy that has his first bike; an early 70's Triumph 750. I cringe when I see him at work, sneakers on his feet, and his bike in the parking lot. At least with the boots I gave him, there is some CE protection, and leather... Now if I can just get him to wear them!:smiley_mornincoffee

[distantThunder]

i agree that the photo above is "poor decision making". And i see people do it all the time in California. Especially when the weather is hot. Like I said on another thread ... I don't compromise on essential safety gear. No matter how hot it is - I always wear a good helmet, good gloves, and really good boots.

I was riding my cruiser this morning and had on these boots.

http://leatherup.com/p/Xelement-Biker-Boots/Mens-Xelement-9-%C2%BD-Inch-Tornado-Motorcycle-Boots/42275.html

That style might not suit everyone - it's a traditional boot for riders on cruisers. One side of the boots zips. The other side fixes down by some straps that velcro. Overall, these boots are well-made and comfortable. They would be good for long rides, esp. in areas where traffic density is low. But to be honest, I was also thinking this morning while riding - that these boots still don't give as good a fit to my legs as lace-up boots. If you are riding in towns or cities where traffic is busy, and the chance of going down on the asphalt is real, I don't think anything will beat good old-fashioned lace-up boots. They give the best assurance that the footware won't get ripped off your feet when you fall.

These comments apply to cruiser boots.
I can't speak for boots made for the sports bike community - I have not tried them on. Not everybody will like the style of boots that I am describing above.

cheers,
dT

[aaronrkelly]

Like I said on another thread ... I don't compromise on essential safety gear. No matter how hot it is - I always wear a good helmet, good gloves, and really good boots.

I was riding my cruiser this morning and had on these boots.

http://leatherup.com/p/Xelement-Biker-Boots/Mens-Xelement-9-%C2%BD-Inch-Tornado-Motorcycle-Boots/42275.html

That style might not suit everyone - it's a traditional boot for riders on cruisers. One side of the boots zips. The other side fixes down by some straps that velcro. Overall, these boots are well-made and comfortable. They would be good for long rides, esp. in areas where traffic density is low. But to be honest, I was also thinking this morning while riding - that these boots still don't give as good a fit to my legs as lace-up boots. If you are riding in towns or cities where traffic is busy, and the chance of going down on the asphalt is real, I don't think anything will beat good old-fashioned lace-up boots. They give the best assurance that the footware won't get ripped off your feet when you fall.

These comments apply to cruiser boots.
I can't speak for boots made for the sports bike community - I have not tried them on. Not everybody will like the style of boots that I am describing above.

cheers,
dT



distantThunder,

Im not really worried about style.....the look of those boots is fine. When I bought my boots I thought....these look like hell....but my pants leg is going to cover 75% of them so who gives a hoot. Style doesnt concern me. If those boots of yours were good, Id gladly wear them.

My question is.....where is the protection?

Is it a boot, yes.

Its is a "really good boot" - imho, no.....it doesnt even classify as a good boot.


the specs:

Full grain leather uppers for lasting comfort.
9 ½ Inch Shaft
Approx. 1 ½ Inch Heel
Inside Zipper for easy on-and-off wear
Screwed in rubber sole for added durability and can also be replaced when wore down
Xelement high density EVA insole provides comfort and cushioning.
Goodyear Welt Construction
Easy-on Velcro Closures
Shift Protector
High Abrasion Oil Resistant Sole & Heel



Nope....dont see anything but a "boot" with motorcycle written in front of it here. No CE protection.....no ankle protection......no toe or heel cup....nothing. The only protectors is the shift protector......which protects the BOOT not the rider.

[curtis41]

I measured and ordered a Carolina boot in a 15 EE (I KNOW, Big Foot!) and they fit perfectly. It is a lace-up and about 8-9 inches tall. Gives very good protection of the foot and ankle. They were about $120 and took almost one complete cow hide to make each boot. :-) Have used them for a year and a half and see very little wear on them to date. I put on a very thin coat of Kiwil Mink Oil wax and wipe off the excess. Keeps the boots fairly dry in wet weather. It really does not take long to lace up boots, and the protection they provide is well worth it. For me, the lace-up is great.

[distantThunder]

aaron

Ok - I understand what you are looking for now.
You're right - the boot I mentioned does not have additional padding or protection. Hence it is a cruiser boot, but not an armored boot. Offhand, I can't think of any cruiser boots that have a lot of extra protection in them. Cruiser riders usually aim for a tradeoff between comfort and protection. The boots I showed you are well made- but will not offer the same protection as a fully reinforced bike made for the sports bike world.

Post your final choice on the forum so we can take a look at them.

good luck,
dT

[Slim Johnson]

aaron
....Cruiser riders usually aim for a tradeoff between comfort and protection....

I'm going to be sick...:thumbsdown:

[distantThunder]

No problem dude.
Just don't puke near my bike.
Hahahaha !!!

distantThunder

[Slim Johnson]

Well played sir..

Seriously though, I fail to see how what you ride makes you safer than someone else?

[distantThunder]

Slim

No sir. Just a different attitude.
I've come to the conclusion that I can't change other peoples' safety.
That's their decision. There are guys riding without any helmets.
I just have to respect their freedom to ride as they want - and hope it all works out well for them.

Gear is a tradeoff between fit, comfort and performance.
Cruiser riders often sacrifice some safety if it gives them more comfort on the long-distance rides. When you are riding hundreds of miles in one day ... it pays to be comfortable. Otherwise, your mental concentration takes a big hit.

Sports bike riders might be totally different.
They might ride at peak performance for 1-2 hours.
In which case they can tolerate gear that isn't quite as comfortable - but offers max protection.

It's just different strokes for different folks.
That's my $0.02

dT

[Slim Johnson]

I agree that being uncomfortable can have an effect on concentration. I have logged several hundred miles in a day more than once. Typically, when I tour, I will log 300-600+ miles in a day; only to wake up and do it all over again the the next day. Tours usually run from 4-6 days.

I also tour in full leathers, boots, gloves, and a helmet. It may not be comfortable to wear leathers in 90f temps, however the idea of skin grafts, road rash, and sunburn keep me from making compromises. I would rather deal with a little dehydration.

The picture I posted above with the squid, is the status quo here in Ut.. Regardless of what they are riding. When I see riders like that in the canyons, I get as much distance from them as I can. I don't want to have to watch them wad their bikes, or slide on the pavement into whatever stops their travel...

Back to the boots... I have a buddy that had a similar experience to Arronkelly's. He lowsided a Virago, and the bike fell on his foot, trapping his ankle, dragging it across the pavement; taking the flesh off down to the bone. IIRC, he was wearing cowboy boots at the time of his accident. He now wears some heavy duty boots. I'm not sure if they are MC specific, or if they will actually protect him better than the other boots did. Hell, if it wasn't for me, he would still be wearing a regular jacket, instead of the scorpion jacket I gave him for 60$.

[aaronrkelly]

aaron

Ok - I understand what you are looking for now.
You're right - the boot I mentioned does not have additional padding or protection. Hence it is a cruiser boot, but not an armored boot. Offhand, I can't think of any cruiser boots that have a lot of extra protection in them. Cruiser riders usually aim for a tradeoff between comfort and protection. The boots I showed you are well made- but will not offer the same protection as a fully reinforced bike made for the sports bike world.

Post your final choice on the forum so we can take a look at them.

good luck,
dT

The problem is I dont see any piece of equipment as "bike type" specific. All I see is good gear and bad gear.

The thought that cruiser riders dont need any of that protection just doesnt compute to me. We are riding on the same roads......same speeds (assuming legal operation)......etc.

Now offroad gear vs onroad.....that I can see a difference in. When I ride dual sport or offroad I wear full balls out motorcross boots......2 piece suit with all the CE bits.....full helmet etc. I WILL go down that day, its not even a question......when you ride dirt,trails,gravel etc....it happens.

Now I dont gear up near as much as alot do......and I say wear what ya want, you wont never hear any of this helmet preaching BS out of me.

.....but to say its because you ride a certain type of bike and dont need it.....nah, doesnt make sense. Compute your own risk/comfort ratio and roll.....but I dont see where the machine under you makes any difference.

Hitting a left turner at 60mph on a rice rocket is the same as hitting it on a HD.

As for my gear....Im wearing Tourmaster WP Solution boots.....jeans......a no name leather jacket (has elbow/shoulder protection).....and a half helmet.

Im wearing this because this is what Ive worked out is best for myself.....not what I think works best for my Victory Vision.

I wear this gear on my BMW.....my Kawasaki......my Ural.....with the exception IF the bike doesnt have a windshield I will swap out the helmet for a 3/4 with face shield or full helmet.

[Starks]

I've been riding in construction boots and after seeing Aaron's ankle... I'm buying a pair of motorcycle boots asap. I'm new to riding, so I was hoping I could get some advice on the boots I found... I like the style and they seem to be midrange at $130 compared to the Sidis. The only thing is they're Bearpaw... they look the part, but its not a motorcycle brand.

Anyone have any reviews? Do you think these will do the job?

[aaronrkelly]

I've been riding in construction boots and after seeing Aaron's ankle... I'm buying a pair of motorcycle boots asap. I'm new to riding, so I was hoping I could get some advice on the boots I found... I like the style and they seem to be midrange at $130 compared to the Sidis. The only thing is they're Bearpaw... they look the part, but its not a motorcycle brand.

Anyone have any reviews? Do you think these will do the job?

http://s7image.ostkcdn.com/is/image/overstock/13725747?wid=320&hei=320&op_sharpen=1

http://www.overstock.com/Clothing-Shoes/Bearpaw-Mens-McKinley-Pull-on-Buckled-Boots-FINAL-SALE/6047945/product.html

http://www.bearpawshoes.com/us.shtml

Bearpaw, near as I can tell, makes fashion boots.

This is from their website:

This new collection of fashion outdoor footwear has a casual, country feel with a refined, luggy outsole. With styles in classic suede uppers or our new oily pressed uppers, these boots are great to wear outside in the fall and winter. With jeans or leggings, these boots will surely get you noticed.

You can see a break in the type of leather between the upper and lower - which leads me to believe (coupled with the wool lining inside) that the upper is nice soft leather for comfort reasons.

There is no protection of any kind in the toe, heel cup or foot bed.....or ankle area.

Its a leather shoe.....waste of money. Your likely better off with your construction boots.

[Starks]

Thanks Aaron, I'll keep looking. I'm glad I asked before buying! I appreciate the quick response...

[aaronrkelly]

Thanks Aaron, I'll keep looking. I'm glad I asked before buying! I appreciate the quick response...

This is my personal benchmark for "basic" features.

The Tour Master Solution boot.

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/1/36/35780/ITEM/Tour-Master-Solution-WP-2-0-Road-Boots.aspx

These are $107.......any LESS features then this and I wouldnt feel comfortable wearing them for MC use. More features are always better though.....and if you spend a few more bucks then these you get more protection - but this is what I consider "good enough" for MC use.

Your or others may disagree any think more or less protection is necessary.....this is just my opinion.

(also happens to be one of the two pairs of road boots I wear most often)

[Gold5th]

I've "gone down" wearing the Tour Master WP Solution boots... my right foot got pinned under my 1000+ lbs bike, and I kinda spun 270degrees.. I swear the boots saved me from a broken ankle if not worse. My only complaint is I wish they fit a bit snugger.

[secondroy]

I have four motorcycle boots, the Tour Master being one of them. I've never gone down on them but if I have to go down I would want to be wearing something like the Tour Master.

If I were driving my cage and going out dancing I would want to be wearing something like the Bearpaw. :)

[aaronrkelly]

I've "gone down" wearing the Tour Master WP Solution boots... my right foot got pinned under my 1000+ lbs bike, and I kinda spun 270degrees.. I swear the boots saved me from a broken ankle if not worse. My only complaint is I wish they fit a bit snugger.

Good to hear a favorable report of them holding up. I thought they ran small....I usually wear a 13 so that's what I ordered. When I first put them on they damn near cut the circulation off in my feet. After wearing them around the house for a couple days they fit perfect - more like a thick pair of leather socks.

I do wish they were a bit snugger around the calf area.

[Gold5th]

I can't remember what size I have.. I want to say 11W or 12W.. I wear size 12W in most footwear, sometimes size 13W. I remember when I bought my Tour Master boots they brought in 3 sizes, and the next size down I couldn't get my foot in to. I also have the first gen, not the WP 2s

[tbird98]

river road MC boots are cr@p for protection. No MC boot is an engineer style boot and they need a double sytem of closure to secure them to your feet. Just because a company says they make MC gear doesn't mean it's any good. In particular styles you see associated with HD and cruiser type lines are suspect. They're better than tennis shoes but not any better than work or military boots for protection. But hey for the posers they look COOL!
River Road makes motorcycle specific gear, which is good. Steel shank= cold feet in cold weather.

How stiff is the boot? Is it resistant to twisting, or folding at the ankle?

When I look at boots, I imagine my bike falling onto my foot/ankle in a lowside, and dragging me across the pavement. Then I consider how well the boot will protect me in such an event.

If I think the boot will keep my leg from looking like Aaron's does in the above pictures, then I figure it's a good boot.

[Gold5th]

once again not all boots have the double closure. Zipper boots typically only have the velcro to have a water resistant flap.

Aplinestar have some that have the lace up and a little velcro strap as a back up and they have some that are just a slip on with a single buckle to keep them on.

Unlike helmets I don't think there are any safety standards for boots. typically put them on... have somebody try to rip them off you.. if they don't move they should be fine as far as that goes. As far as the extra protection.. you either have movement or security.. for protecting your feet hard shell skiboot style would be best, but not practical.. it's a balancing act to find the "happy medium".

[mikkel]

take only boots white velcro, its safe

[RobMoore]

Cruiser riders usually aim for a tradeoff between comfort and protection.

By comfort, you must mean wanting to be comfortable with how others view their appearance.

ATGATT is comfortable with the right gear. A leather suit off the rack will feel stiff. Broken in it is like a second skin.

[distantThunder]

+1 for lace up. worth the extra 60 secs it takes to do the laces.

Tankhead - those tall Timberland boots look pretty good.

dT

[tbird98]

Hitting a left turner at 60mph on a rice rocket is the same as hitting it on a HD.
This is not true...the rice rocket rider is 95% likely wearing a helmet. The HD rider is 95% likely not wearing a helmet.

The rice rocket rider will likey go to the ER. The HD rider to the morgue.

The rice rocket rider will collect sick time and short time disability. the HD riders family will collect life insurance, if there is any.

The rice rocket rider will get to be an idiot on a bike another day. the HD rider will just be a dead idiot.:thumbsup:

[zmago]

Hitting a left turner at 60mph on a rice rocket is the same as hitting it on a HD.
This is not true...the rice rocket rider is 95% likely wearing a helmet. The HD rider is 95% likely not wearing a helmet.

The rice rocket rider will likey go to the ER. The HD rider to the morgue.

The rice rocket rider will collect sick time and short time disability. the HD riders family will collect life insurance, if there is any.

The rice rocket rider will get to be an idiot on a bike another day. the HD rider will just be a dead idiot.:thumbsup:

Such lovely stereotypes. It's almost poetic.

[DuckyTopTN]

My first pair of MC boots were the Alpinestars Ridge boot. IIRC, they were ~140$, and offered some CE protection, as well as waterproofing. The downside was that they have velcro to cinch up the boot, which left me with the feeling that at speeds over 70mph they might not work so well. (come off the foot in an accident)

Owned a pair of the Ridge boots. Best damn low price MC specific boots out there IMHO (and only $129 now days). Anywho, these boots lasted me 9 years! Never had a wet foot in the nastiest of downpours, wrecked in 'em with with only pavement scuffing at the toe. They come with molded injection ankle protection which worked in same lowside BTW, and that Velcro was no joke. Used 'em on an R6 as well as the Monster at speeds well above 70. That sh*t didn't come apart. Wore them to college and walked in 'em on campus for 3 years too when I rode the bike every day-Highly recommend 'em. Liked 'em so much I recently purchased the big brother Roam boot which I nabbed on sale for $119!

As for laces over Velcro & zippers, I'd take the latter for fear of getting the laces caught up in anything mechanical moving at speeds. It was nasty on bicycles as a kid, I can only imagine something worse on the big boy bikes.