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post #1 of 90 (permalink) Old 03-15-2008, 05:17 PM Thread Starter
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First bike - CBR600RR or GSX-R600?

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Hello, I am finally graduating college in May and will be able to buy my first bike. I am looking to buy a new, 2008 bike. I am a Honda lover at heart, but I really like the new GSX-R600's. While I have never owned my own bike, I have ridden friends' bikes, cbr600f4i and gsx-r750, but have not taken them very far or fast. I also am adapt to motorsports, as I race my 2003 Honda S2000 in autocross competitions regularly. I know many people say these bikes are not good for a first bike, nor is a NEW bike because you will drop it. Let me say that I am very cautious in motorsports and plan on taking it very slow for the first few months or so. I am also taking the MSF course. Would I be ok on these bikes (I really think I would) if I am cautious and have some riding / motorsports experience? If so, what would be the best choice, is anyone familiar with both the 2008 CBR600rr and the 2008 GSX-R600? Any help would be much appriciated.

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Come on...15 views and not 1 reply!! Help please!!
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According to one dealer I was speaking to, Honda has copied much of Suzuki's GSX from the seat down.
Looking at it myself, the two are very similar except some slight variations in body design and seat and handlebar positions.

Between the two I chose...Well, I actually chose a, '07 Kawasaki Ninja ZX6R . You may find the CBR lower in price, but the GSX is more popular.
Sit on them both to feel how the feel with seat and handle bar position.


Yes, you can start off with a 600cc sport bike. You say you're taking a MSF course, so it isn't like you will be jumping on a sport bike without knowing how to properly and safely operate the clutch, throttle and brakes.

You just need to respect your bike and take it SLOW and easy. Don't complete the MSF course and jump right onto the highways. Ride for a month or two only on local streets and parking lots until you feel you got good handling and control of the bike.

Did you check what your insurance will be? Check State Farm or ACUITY insurance. They may be alot cheaper for you than most others.
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I say R6
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Thanks for the ideas everyone - R6 is definately not an option, it's absolutlely between the CBR600RR or the GSX-R600. I'm leaning toward the CBR because I love Honda. I currently have a lightly tuned S2000 that I race and before that I had a 450WHP turbo Integra. Also, I have read nothing but wonderful reviews of the 07-08 CBR. However, I have not been able to find much info on the 08 GSX-R, but I love how it looks (except for the exhaust, but that will be replaced ). Also, it looks like the GSX-R600 has more of an upright riding position, which I like. The gas tank is taller (as opposed to flatter on the CBR) and the handlebars appear to be slightly higher. I know I need to sit on one, but I have only sat on the CBR, I can't find anywhere with an 08 GSXR600. Any more ideas?
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You could always take a different route. Triumph Street Triple. Take a look!
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No can do, not a fan of the 3 cylinder and there's no way I'm getting a non-Japanese sportbike. I love Japanese motorsports and don't see myself ever riding or racing a car or bike that is not Japanese. I actually lived in Japan for a few years, and I am just in love with their engineering, and don't think I'll ever stray from it. Need some evidence as to my thought process...check out the new Nissan GT-R. The fastest available mass produced car in most aspects and it's $65k and blows $300k Ferraris out of the water! They can do more with 6 cylinders than others can do with 10 or 12. Oh yeah, my integra was a 4-banger and I loved eating V-8's in that as well
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I heard undertails exhausts, like the one on the cbr, have a few cons to them. Sure they look sweet but heres what ive heard. Since the pipes travel up under the seat, friends of mine have complained about their crotch getting hot making them uncomftorable on longer rides of an hour or more. Ive also heard that undertails tend to make you smell pretty bad after a nice ride because there is a small pocket of air directly behind the rider that just swirls around (this is why your t-shirt rises up you back while riding) and exhaust fumes are released directly into this pocket and get trapped making your back a little hot but more importantly just circulating exhaust fumes through your cloths leaving you smelling unpleasent. Not sure if the second is true but it makes sense to me.

Just a few things to think about.
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Wow, I've heard a few vague mentions of heat, but never of the smell, but now that I think about it, that makes a lot of sense. However, I could smell like a took a bath in gasoline and it wouldn't stop me from getting the new 07 CBR600RR. I've made my final decision after reading reviews. I don't even know why I was uncertain - they say the new RR absolutely destroys the 600cc class and it is the best 600 EVER made. This is the unanimous opinion of about 15 major reviews I've found. I have not found a single review that went with another bike for the best 600. It appears as though Honda has really made a cutting-edge machine that has changed the 600cc class for good, and I cannot wait to get mine (in May )
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Help First Bike! HELP!

Hey people can anyone specify the differences between 2004 Honda CBR 600RR, 2004 Yamaha R6 and 2003 Suzuki GSXR600.
Which would be better for a first 600cc bike?
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What color do you like? Unless you are a real good and fast rider there wouldn't be much difference between them as to which one is better. I have heard that the CBR has better street manners than most 600cc supersport bikes but I can't say 100% that's true.

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I don't know from experience but I've heard a lot of talk about how the CBR600 is "the best 600 sport bike in the world" at the moment.

Now, are asking just about your first sport bike or your first bike in general? have an open mind, look into things other than super sports. It's generally considered a bad idea to start out on a 600cc sport bike.
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If this is your first bike, you won't go wrong with any of them. Pick one, and put your money together and buy it.
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If this is a bike for someone with some time riding, from the ones you listed, I would go for the gixxer.

But if this is for a newbie, get the matching 600cc coffin.
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If this is a bike for someone with some time riding, from the ones you listed, I would go for the gixxer.

But if this is for a newbie, get the matching 600cc coffin.

I don't necessarily agree with this. I think most new riders can learn faster on a smaller bike, but I know plenty of people who start on big bikes and they don't all kill themselves. My first bike was a 954cc sportbike.
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Now, are asking just about your first sport bike or your first bike in general? have an open mind, look into things other than super sports. It's generally considered a bad idea to start out on a 600cc sport bike.
i have been on bike before...but all 250cc and below

What do you people mean by Street manners ?
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Street manners refers to the fact that 600cc and up sport bikes don't like putting around at legal speeds. They want to run at high RPMs and at high speeds, they are nimble enough that you might call them "twitchy", they are really more suited to a race track than a public road.

Bikes among this class that are easier to ride on the road and within the confines of the law are said to have better street manners.
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ok if you people were to buy a 600cc sports bike, which one would it be and why?
Sorry for bugging you people..its a tough decision that why it needs a lot of thinking and research!
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i have 06 R6S and i love it; however, doing it over i would get a street bike b/c it has more use and you still can ride it hard and even take it to a racetrack

p.s. i wont switch though b/c i m too hooked on sportbikes now but if i have a budget i will get a street bike as my second ride
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any reason you've not put the ninja zx6r on your list? it edges out the others in displacement and is a stiff competitor against the others, I love mine, if your concidering the honda,suz, and yamaha, it'll do all the same things
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the place that i stay, U.A.E..ninjas are very rare beacuse of the poor service centers...everyone preffers Hondas, suzukis or yamahas..very less Kawasakis in my country.
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I have been reading a bunch of magazines and doing other research, and the CBR tends to be preferred, especially the 600rr. I have read that the CBR is more comfortable and maneuverable, but I have also read that the R6 is very nimble as well. I don't know much about the GSX-R, but my buddy has an '07 750 and loves it... but he's laid it down a couple of times already and has only owned it since August.
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a 600 is not a good first bike. when you have like 115 horsepower on tap (give or take) , its too tempting, it takes people getting hurt before they realize they should have started out on somthing like a ninja 250.
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I need help, tips, and information.

Ok, I am now finnally turning 17 years old. I think I am ready to step it up a notch. I love bicycles. since I been 5 thats where all my memories are. I do stunts, race, and everything on bikes. Now I am ready for a motorcycle. I need help trying to find the right one, (most likely used) for stunts, racing, and transportations, and well now I guess safety... Also I would like to know how much would it cost to just make my own from scratch? Well please reply to this thread. if you can't then just email me.

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I don't know how much it would cost to actually make a motorcycle but I do know it would be a very complex project taking a whole lot of time and know how, to make something anywhere near what a modern sport bike looks like.

Now I generally dissuade any newcomers from looking into sportbikes as a first motorcycle but obviously you have a very special intention in beginning to ride. You want to become a stunter, and you want to do it now. Your skill on bicycles may give you an advantage in knowing the basic physics behind things like wheelies and stoppies but just because you can do them on a bicycle doesn't at all mean you can do it on a motorcycle.

My advice to you is to find the cheapest running sportbike you can, with no regards to looks, because if you want to do stunts you ARE going to drop it. If it has fairings, take them off. Install frame sliders and things like that.

Take the MSF, and because you are looking to do advanced riding, take whatever courses you can as well. There are actually schools for this kind of riding, you can find them on google.

Another thing, this is an extremely expensive hobby. Don't get into it if you can't afford it. You will be breaking bikes, and your gear, and yourself, often.
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Thank you. Now what kind of bike do you think would be cheapest? Also should I make it an attempt to get 2 bikes? I mean one to transport myself and one to practice stunts on? (I also still love to race on bicycles and I doubt that would change on a motorcycle no matter how dangerous, just because even on a bike, in allies we raced and I would end up going through 14 sets of tires in like 6 months lol)
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I need help trying to find a decent bike in the price range of $1000-$2000->specifics

I would love to try and find one... I am 5'11 or 6foot, I weigh 200 pounds but yet still skinny like, I have a well sense of balance. so i mean any help or information would be really nice.
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That would be great, and what I would suggest is to get your "transportation" bike first and learn the basics on it. Get used to being able to ride a motorcycle normally. I don't know what your budget is but the first bikes I recommend for people who like the sportier type are the Kawasaki Ninja 250, 500 and 650, and the Suzuki GS500 and SV650. Everything 500cc and above has more than enough power for regular street riding as well as expressway riding. The 250s are great bikes for around town but I wouldn't take them on the expressway.

As for the stunt bike, I don't know whether any particular bikes would be cheaper than any others. Even when you're looking at naked and street fighter bikes you can still expect to pay over $3500 for a 600.

Edit: I just saw your other thread specifying that you have a budget of $1-2k. That's really not going to get you a stunt bike. It will get you a good regular street bike to start on, but you're going to need a big budget to get into sporting.
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You could find an older, decent Kawasaki Ninja 250 or 500 or a Suzuki GS500 for what you're looking to spend. For $2000 and under you MIGHT be able to pick up an older 600 supersport (like an older Ninja 600 or CBR 600) in rideable condition (though it may need some work).

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CBR600F2 could easily be had for that money if you look hard enough
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Looking for a bike!

I live just outside of Detroit, Mi and am in search of a sportbike. Im looking to spend between 3,500 and 4,000 dollars cash. If anyone is selling, or knows someone selling please let me know.
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They are all great machines...you cant go wrong
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Best bike for size

I'm looking at getting a bike. I'm looking at the 600's. r6,cbr,zx6... I was wondering what would be the best bike for me.. I'm about 5'6, 5'7 155. thanks
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The Kawasaki Ninja 650, or a Suzuki SV650, because they're cheaper to buy, cheaper to insure, more reliable, get better gas mileage, cost less to repair and you are less likely to damage the bike, yourself and others on it as a new rider. They're also more comfortable than supersports.
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I'm going to assume you really want a "supersport" I'd have to say with your size a 600 will be plenty... enjoy
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Yes, you can go wrong, on all of them. Do the smart thing and get some with less than 100hp. I would say don't get anything with more than 70 hp. Imagine if your first car was a Ferrari, but much faster, twitchier, and only had two wheels. Doesn't sound very smart does it?

You know how everybody says people wreck their first cars? Same goes for bikes, except you don't have a cage to protect you.

All of that aside, since I doubt my advice will be taken anyway if you've already made up your mind. I prefer the CBR, but the R6 is a close second.
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Yes, you can go wrong, on all of them. Do the smart thing and get some with less than 100hp. I would say don't get anything with more than 70 hp. Imagine if your first car was a Ferrari, but much faster, twitchier, and only had two wheels. Doesn't sound very smart does it?

You know how everybody says people wreck their first cars? Same goes for bikes, except you don't have a cage to protect you.

All of that aside, since I doubt my advice will be taken anyway if you've already made up your mind. I prefer the CBR, but the R6 is a close second.
Eh... agreed to a certain extent, although not the greatest analogy. I've only had a couple friends wreck their first cars. But yes, I've only known one person to have not laid down their bike in some way or another.
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so whats the difference in laying down a 120hp bike rather than a 70hp bike? they all go over 100mph... seems like a self control issue.. I mean, if they are going to wreck either way...
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