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^The difference is about 50 horsepower, which is a big difference in the motorcycle world.

You can kill yourself on a bicycle, that doesn't mean it's in the same category of "dangerous" as a 120hp sportbike.
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Your dead either way... Thats just my opinion though... Its called self control and not being dumb.... Just because you can got 160mph, doesn't mean you should ;-)

If you don't understand that, don't get a bike at all. Well maybe a rebel would be good for you... (I want one of those btw)
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More power means increased chance of accidentally using too much power. A twitch on the throttle doesn't mean anything on a 250, but on a supersport it can kill you, or atleast hurt you and the bike.

Would this have happened on a 250, 500, even a 650?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FxbHyEIkgdU

It's a guy riding out of the dealer on his brand new sport bike, and guess what happens. The new tires slip out from under him because he gave it a little too much throttle to get moving. That little too much throttle wouldn't have done anything if the bike didn't have well over 100hp.

And don't talk to me about understanding the properties of power in motorcycles.
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Help deciding which bike

I'm new here, and i'm thinking about getting a new bike. I'm looking at kawasaki ninjas, since they seem pretty popular and reliable. I've never really ridden any bikes, but am about to start making some money and have wanted to start riding for awhile.

I don't know if i should go with the 250 or 500 as my first bike... I would really like the 500, since it has the power that i know i would eventually want. i'm pretty sure i can control myself for as long as i need to get proficient with bikes. but i could just take the 250 to stay on the safe side since it is smaller and i could control it easier. any advice for a new rider?

i'm planning on taking a MSF soon and that could help me find out if i'm any good... oh and i'm about 5'10", 150lbs; a skinny piece of ****!
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If at the end of the MSF class you feel like you can controll everything easily then I think the 500 would be fine for you. As long as you ride smart and respect the machine under you you'll be fine, just take it slow. The 500 will be something you can enjoy for a very long time.
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Theres more temptation there with a supersport though and men are weak to temptation, if you have the power you are going to use it, and chances are (more so with a new rider) you are going to use that power before you are skilled enough to handle it. Just because you can get from point A to point B dosnt mean you are a skilled rider. The thing with these bikes is, a person on them will go fast, and the first time they do it they might get away with it, well then they are going to want to do it again but add a car weave in here and there bc they thought it was there own personal skill that they were able to handle the speed the first time so they think they can handle more the second time. And this goes on untill they are shown otherwise which is normally an accident.

Any one can go fast in a straight line, but not every one can react to a car slamming on its brakes up ahead while you are going too fast, or a piece of wood falling out of a truck, or even something as simple as an obstacle in a turn. Most begginers cant even do simple things like avoiding taget fixation at posted speeds let alone 10-20 or more+. Becoming a skilled rider dosnt just happen overnight or even over a few months. It dosnt even just happen at all, it takes a long time and practice. I still go out and practice what they taught at the MSF every now and then and I still wouldt even suggest to call myself skilled I know I'm not and thats why I practice. These are the reasons I would never suggest or support giving a begginer a loaded gun.
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so whats the difference in laying down a 120hp bike rather than a 70hp bike? they all go over 100mph... seems like a self control issue.. I mean, if they are going to wreck either way...
HOW MANY TIMES have you heard of someone riding down the road and they just FALL OFF??? That just doesn't happen!!! Common newb crashes are failing to negotiate a corner, 12-o'clocking and falling off the back, target fixation, failing to stop in time, tip overs, etc. But they don't just FALL OFF for no reason while they ride on down the road. That's what gets me about the "all go over 100mph" argument! MOST FATAL ACCIDENTS occur under 30mph! So are we going to start lumping mopeds into the new "all go over 30mph" argument???????

You people that go around telling newbs to go ahead any get that 600, 750, 1000cc supersport are going to end up responsible for killing someone.

They are asking because they are unsure, BUT EVERY kid wants a sport bike! And it doesn't take MUCH to talk them into it.

I have known people, PERSONALLY KNOWN PEOPLE who friggen DIED because they wouldn't LISTEN and bought that sport bike ANYWAY. And let me tell you, it SUUUUUCKS to loss a best friend of 20+ years because they HAD TO HAVE that sportbike.

I have in the past recommended a Bandit 1200 to many people as a first bike. It's got a lot of motor, but it's tame and it inspires confidence. But, at the same time, there are only 2 bikes out there that will accelerate faster from 0-60, the 'Busa, and the new ZZR1400. Bone stock, the Bandit will run 0-60 in 2.6 seconds. That's close to a second faster than most supersport 600's. A common newb mistake is accidentally rolling on the throttle MORE during acceleration. The g's pull them back, and as they are pulled back, they roll on more throttle, and more and more, till it's pinned. You've all seen it, some of you have done it.

Beyond that, however, there's not a lot a newb can do to get themselves in trouble on a Bandit. It's got one of the best all-around chassis ever made, it holds its line, it's easy to ride, and most importantly, it is sure footed.

Now, lets stick that newb on a gixxer 750. It's a quirky, unstable, ill-mannered beast of a machine that would sooner kill you than have you on its back. I am one hell of a good rider with years of racing experience, and EVEN I don't climb on the back of a GSXR without the full realization that if there was EVER a bike that would put me 6' under, THIS IS IT! There is so much to work out in your mind when you learn to ride. Body positioning, clutch work, shifting, braking, counter-steering (totally counter-intuitive), and more. And the whole while you are wrestling with a barely contained mach 5 rocket that wants to go in every direction but a straight line!

IMHO, telling a new rider to go ahead and get that sport bike, just take it easy and go slow, is irresponsible, irrational, and one of the most ignorant un-informed statements ever to grace the motorcycle world. You might as well say, "Here, I've got a 44 magnum. Put it to your head and pull the trigger........ as long as you pull it SLOWLY, you'll be fiiiiiiiine."

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Would a 22 pistal not have the same effect as the 44?


I agree that a supersport isn't the best bike to "learn on" but I don't think its impossible...

My first "super sport" was my r6, the only reason I got the gsxr is because my r6 was messed up and I didn't feel like fixing it. The gsxr was on clearance... I have been riding on 2 wheels my entire life, though I admit dirt is easier and maybe more fun than the road....

If you have never drove anything with 2 wheels other than that powered by your legs. I wouldn't suggest you buy a supersport.... I'd get a rebel, they are fun as hell to drive and CAN be rode on the interstate
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If you've been riding your whole life and have dirt experience then you're thousands of steps ahead of a newbie. I've been riding my whole life too, also a lot on dirt, and I understand that those of us who started back when we were little kids have a very good innate understanding of the nature of bikes. It's not as big a challenge for you or I to jump on a supersport because we know what happens when you give it too much throttle, too much brake, too much lean or not enough... Those people who are coming here and asking for advice on their FIRST bike, who have NO experience, do not have our kind of experience and really never will.
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If you've been riding your whole life and have dirt experience then you're thousands of steps ahead of a newbie. I've been riding my whole life too, also a lot on dirt, and I understand that those of us who started back when we were little kids have a very good innate understanding of the nature of bikes. It's not as big a challenge for you or I to jump on a supersport because we know what happens when you give it too much throttle, too much brake, too much lean or not enough... Those people who are coming here and asking for advice on their FIRST bike, who have NO experience, do not have our kind of experience and really never will.

+1, when I went to go buy my first bike the guy told me he wouldnt sell me a super sport unless I had previouse riding exp. (probly bc that store had recently sold an R6 to a brand new rider and a week later out of anger in his girlfriend he went out for a fast ride to relieve his frustration and never came home) but I told him Id been riding in the dirt and racing for years (bought all my dirtbikes from the same place), he told me thats the best way to go bc its not easy to learn to controll slides and all the difficult things on the road. Grass is forgiving, Blacktop is a killer.
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If you've been riding your whole life and have dirt experience then you're thousands of steps ahead of a newbie. I've been riding my whole life too, also a lot on dirt, and I understand that those of us who started back when we were little kids have a very good innate understanding of the nature of bikes. It's not as big a challenge for you or I to jump on a supersport because we know what happens when you give it too much throttle, too much brake, too much lean or not enough... Those people who are coming here and asking for advice on their FIRST bike, who have NO experience, do not have our kind of experience and really never will.
Yes, true... Its a funny topic because this morning when I was putting on my helmet and back out of my parking space at my apartment a guy on an R1 passed behind me... so I'm backed out and start rolling to the turn with him infront of me... All the sudden he is down for the count, his bike slide across the lot under a big pick-up truck and he is on the ground... Good thing he was only going 5mph.... From what I can tell he used too much front break on the corner and it took him down, cold tires, cold parking lot... Lots of slipage... He was fine his bike was okay, just broke his windscreen and a scrap down the side of his 07 R1, it was a sad sight but he picked it up and didn't seem TOO pissed...

Needless to say it gave me an uneasy feeling riding the rest of the way to work, I was extra cautious and luckaly didn't have any problems... I didn't ask him how long he had been riding, but it seems like a rookie mistake to me...

I honestly would love to have a small cheap bike I can beat the crap out of and have fun without worrying about messing stuff up... In my opinion, its mroe fun that way...

Trying to learn to ride on a bike your scared of breaking, is no fun.
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The 500 doesn't have too much power for a beginner at all, the powerband kicks in at 6500rpm and it gives you a rush but it's not at all uncontrollable. If you shift at 4000rpm (like I do) you probably won't even know the difference between the 500 and the 250. I needed the 500 for the extra power needed on my expressway commute.
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Need help finding a bike for a newbie but I have been looking at one and was wondering if i can get some peoples opinion if i should get a Hyosung GT250 5'6" weigh about 150lbs good????

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I see no reason why not they are fine motorcycles and priced very well for the first time buyer.
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thanks for the replys! the 500 sounds pretty good. i've been reading around quite a bit, and i think that a 650 ninja also sounds pretty good.

could someone help me by listing some of the advantages of buying used versus new, and vice versa? thanks!
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thanks for the replys! the 500 sounds pretty good. i've been reading around quite a bit, and i think that a 650 ninja also sounds pretty good.

could someone help me by listing some of the advantages of buying used versus new, and vice versa? thanks!
If you buy a new bike and lose your job tomorrow you are hosed. Your bike can't be sold because you will owe more than it is worth. So you are screwed and will need to figure out a way to make the payments. But, you own a new bike.

If you buy used at fair price and lose your job or figure out that you can't afford the insurance, you can sell for what you paid for it because you only paid a used bike price. But, you own a used bike.

The difference between buying a new and used bike? The first few minutes before you leave the dealership; then after that they are both used. ...You just owe a whole lot more on one as opposed to the other. If money is an issue, I would suggest used. If you are making good money, then save it up and put down a sizeable payment up front on the new if you must have it.
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I bought a new bike because I absolutely needed reliability and I wanted to have no question about the history of the bike. It's my sole method of transportation and I make a very long commute 3 days a week. It was worth it to me to spend the extra money for reliability and peace of mind.

If you buy a used bike it's cheaper overall, including cheaper insurance, and if you drop it it's not as big a deal as with a brand new bike.
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thanks one more question since its a 250 is it street legal???
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There is no doubt that buying a new bike cost more and you will never get your money back, Its the same with a car though. I bought a new bike because like others have said, I wanted to KNOW the history of the bike and be fairly confident it isn't going to let me down... If you keep your bike in good condition you can still sell it for a decent price even years later... Once you have it paid off, its all the same with a little peace of mind.
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yep it sure is street legal
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Question First bike..questions about both mine and the bikes size..

I'm about to buy my first bike within the upcoming months
My main concern is that I am 6'2 300lbs (I'm not even considered obese with my fat percentage blah blah blah...) I play college football and am a linemen
I have rode my friends CBR600r and I barely fit, the problem is I really can't get my feet up on the pegs comfortablely
Also alot of the bikes I've found to fit me are in the 600cc+ range and since I have little riding experience I am kinda scared about anything too high in power will be too much
Really my question is what bikes have people found that fit a bigger guy like me, and for a first bike is 600 or 1k cc too much?
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Haven't we done this before?

Well that's ok, it's not easy looking for the best first bike. I still stand by my suggestion of the 650R, it really has everything you're looking for. You'll be comfortable on it, it is docile enough to learn on, still has plenty of power to entertain you, looks cool, is relatively inexpensive for a sport bike....
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Yes, I've asked a similar question but I feel the only answers I got were all about cruiser/standard bikes...I remember a Kawa suggestion and that was probably you

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Yes, I've asked a similar question but I feel the only answers I got were all about cruiser/standard bikes...I remember a Kawa suggestion and that was probably you
Being of similar size you will quite possibly not be comfortable on any bike that you "want" and thus the reason you are being directed to other motorcycles look at it this way learn to ride and become comfortable with how it all works and then look for the BIKE you want, with most new 600's,750's and 1000's they are repli racers and will have tight quarters to say the least and the 750's and 1000's are sporting 150-190hp and that is enough to kill an unexperienced rider no matter the size very very fast!!

Standards can be quick and handle very very well and should fit your body type quite a bit better and this will also be true of many cruisers remember the first bike is a learner not what you have to stay with
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Being of similar size you will quite possibly not be comfortable on any bike that you "want" and thus the reason you are being directed to other motorcycles look at it this way learn to ride and become comfortable with how it all works and then look for the BIKE you want, with most new 600's,750's and 1000's they are repli racers and will have tight quarters to say the least and the 750's and 1000's are sporting 150-190hp and that is enough to kill an unexperienced rider no matter the size very very fast!!

Standards can be quick and handle very very well and should fit your body type quite a bit better and this will also be true of many cruisers remember the first bike is a learner not what you have to stay with
I agree, I've been thinking that way. I found a few older ninja 250, 500, and 650s for $2k and below which I'm really thinking about taking a look at and just riding for a bit
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More power means increased chance of accidentally using too much power. A twitch on the throttle doesn't mean anything on a 250, but on a supersport it can kill you, or atleast hurt you and the bike.

Would this have happened on a 250, 500, even a 650?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FxbHyEIkgdU

It's a guy riding out of the dealer on his brand new sport bike, and guess what happens. The new tires slip out from under him because he gave it a little too much throttle to get moving. That little too much throttle wouldn't have done anything if the bike didn't have well over 100hp.

And don't talk to me about understanding the properties of power in motorcycles.
actually that guy fell because of his tires lol
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actually that guy fell because of his tires lol
Did I not say that?

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hhahahah my bad, i didnt fully read the comments soowweyy
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I've been looking at the Yamaha FZ6's, they fit nice and still keep the general look I'm going for. But someone near me has a FZ1 Kenny Roberts edition for cheaper than a more or less brand new FZ6. But obviously I fear that the 1 is too much power for me...anyone have thoughts?
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I've been looking at the Yamaha FZ6's, they fit nice and still keep the general look I'm going for. But someone near me has a FZ1 Kenny Roberts edition for cheaper than a more or less brand new FZ6. But obviously I fear that the 1 is too much power for me...anyone have thoughts?

Those are excellent bikes the FZ6 would be a good beginner bike of sorts though it has alot more horsepower than the 2fiddy's it can be owned longer because the better you get the faster you can ride it and being a 600 you can use it for just about everything from commuting to traveling to tearin up the mountains and back roads
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For the money it is hard to beat the SV650S. They are great for track day and daily transportation and the upkeep is very reasonable. OK all of this from a 1200 owner... Well we all start with something and I really like that Suzuki as a great all-around bike and with your buget in mind.
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I'm 16 and want to get a bike help!

Hello everyone I'm new at this. I want to get a crotch rocket. I'm 16 and would like to get one when I'm 18. Whats a good brand to get? Also a used one. Any newbie tips, information.

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I recommend GS 500

but lots of people also like the Ninja 500
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I'm about to buy my first bike within the upcoming months
My main concern is that I am 6'2 300lbs (I'm not even considered obese with my fat percentage blah blah blah...) I play college football and am a linemen
I have rode my friends CBR600r and I barely fit, the problem is I really can't get my feet up on the pegs comfortablely
Also alot of the bikes I've found to fit me are in the 600cc+ range and since I have little riding experience I am kinda scared about anything too high in power will be too much
Really my question is what bikes have people found that fit a bigger guy like me, and for a first bike is 600 or 1k cc too much?

I suggest a Bandit or SV - they make them in a bigger 1200 cc range. They are not as twitchy as superbikes and are still fun to ride. It is not the size of the bike as much as it is the KIND of bike you buy. If you want a sporty bike, then look to a sport touring bike. You are not going to find a pocket rocket that will fit a guy your size - comfortably that is.


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What bike should i get.

Hi, to start off i am 17 (almost 18) and i want to get a bike. I currentlly drive a 96 GMC sierra and the gas is starting to kill me. so i want to ask the pro's what bike to get. I will take a motorcycle course before i get it. I am looking at the 600's cause im pretty big (5' 11" 240 ish pounds). i want a bike that has good handling, but can still get pretty fast hauling my fat-ass around . lol. So what do you guys think?
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Check out the thread below. It has a ton of discussion on first bikes and addresses the size, weight and other issues people have when looking for a bike.

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Your weight isn't going to make any noticeable difference in the speed of the bike, at least not at a beginner's skill level.

If you like the look of sport bikes, look into the Ninja 250R, 500R, or 650R, or Suzuki GS500F. They all look like sport bikes, but are much more forgiving when it comes to touchy brakes and throttle.
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I'm new here. I've been into bikes for quite a while now lots of people in my family have bikes and I'm finally in the position to join them. I plan on taking an MSF and then an advanced course at the Louden Track in NH. I've ridden dirt bikes and quads for years so I have the basics of how to ride down. I plan on purchasing a 99 Yamaha TW200 as a learner bike and then one of the 600's later. I want to get feed back from some of the other experienced sportbike riders on the difference between starting on the 200 and the graduating to the faster and bigger 600.
I'm also a speed freak in some aspects so I'm playing it safe with my first bike.
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good used first bike?

What would be a good bike that would fit my body style? Im 6'1 and weigh 130lbs. I will be driving it mainly to work on a highway that has a speed limit of 45 mph. I will also have to drive it at night times every other day. Im going to take the motorcycle safety course as soon as i get my bike also. thanks everyone!
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