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The Victory and The Scout are Gone Now Replaced with this Chieftain Dark Horse .. Got a Fair Trade not near what I think should have been but many Dealerships wanted nothing to do with either one .. So the Loss was to be expected ..

Have 100 Break in Miles on it and love it so far .. Time will Tell what i think of it in the Long Run .. In a Nutshell not that I have to Justify anything but if any are interested was disappointed in Victory dropping their line the way they did and was finding even simple always in stock parts getting harder to get that will only get worse with time, and although it was without question the Finest Ride I ever Owned with 80,000+ Trouble Free Miles was time to say Goodbye Victory .. As far as the Scout Goes a Pleasure Spirited Fast Fun Ride .. But have never really trusted it since the Engine Rebuild was done and don't like the idea of the Bucket/Shim adjustment needed on the Valves which could get very expensive when out of Warranty now and on my Nickel to take care of .. So Got this Chieftain now with Full factory Warranty that will do my darndest to leave be at least until the warranty Runs Out .. That JAYLAST Tag has been on 3 of my Last Rides 2009 Ultra Classic, 2012 Victory Cross Country, and now the 2017 Chieftain Dark Horse .. Maybe the 3rd Times the Charm ..





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Love it! I've got a regular Dark Horse setup for touring. Went with a Thunder Mfg air cleaner, Basanni pipes, and a Dobeck EJK, the bike runs incredibly smooth with even more torque. My only real complaint is that it doesn't handle as well as my Vic Cross Country (I drag the boards all the time on the Indian), and the 106 Vic motor is more "playful" if that makes sense. Still, that Indian runs like a metronome... nice bikes.
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Beautiful bike Joe--congrat's

All of your justifications seem very convincing to me as I've been known to trade or sell a near new bike just because it made me look FAT when I rode slowly past plate glass storefront windows

Do you plan on turning that piece of art into a dirt bike any time soon?

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That's a good looking pair of wheels. I am considering an Indian once I get some experience under my belt. Probably a scout.
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I've always been happy when some investor revives the Indian and now it looks like Polaris is serious about it. My favorite engineering feat with the bike is how they kept the motor looking close to the original but technically brought it into the 21st century. I've heard nothing but good about the bikes.
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They did a great job on the Indians. Like many other people, I do not believe Polaris will simply "drop" the brand as they did with Victory. They sell like hotcakes around here, I see them all the time. The company already knew how to build a fantastic motorcycle (Victory), so they clearly used that experience and stepped it up even more. Build quality on the Indians is very good, exceeding the Victory bikes. There have been a few recalls and issues, but not a surprise given a 100% new platform. Mine has been in twice, once for a computer re-flash, and once to inspect a fuel line route that was deemed in specification and didn't require action. Otherwise, she runs flawless...
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I love the darkhorse, hope to have one someday
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My only real complaint is that it doesn't handle as well as my Vic Cross Country (I drag the boards all the time on the Indian), and the 106 Vic motor is more "playful" if that makes sense. Still, that Indian runs like a metronome... nice bikes.


As an owner of a Cross Country wanting a Ride that handles as well as the XC is a Hard Act to Follow .. After my Trip to TN next month will have more to say on that ..


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The Cross bikes are just awesome in the corners as you know. The Indian isn't bad, but lean over angle isn't as good, and neither is ground clearance. The Vic has those boards up nice and high. My "classic" Dark Horse also has a long wheelbase so it doesn't transition as quickly. I'm not sure if your Chieftain is on the same frame as mine... I think it is. I know the Springfields are different for sure...

Either way, you'll enjoy it... but yes, you are probably spoiled by that CC, like me.
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I hate to see you get rid of Osceola, but you've certainly got a fine looking replacement.

I think I'd be tempted to put some sort of small carry-over or reminder on the new bike. Like maybe a small silver or pewter medallion with a Seminole motif on the dash board or something like that.
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I hate to see you get rid of Osceola, but you've certainly got a fine looking replacement.

I think I'd be tempted to put some sort of small carry-over or reminder on the new bike. Like maybe a small silver or pewter medallion with a Seminole motif on the dash board or something like that.
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Hey Jay, you might want to ask on the other forum if anyone has used that F11 Topcoat product on that Dark Horse flat black paint. It is apparently being successfully being used on Harley's denim paints but that doesn't mean it can be used on the Indian. And I sure as heck wouldn't want to be the one taking the risk myself. But maybe one of the guys over there that has screwed up part of their paint has tried it with good or further bad results. Sure wouldn't hurt to ask or do some searching about it over there.(which obviously I haven't)

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Nice looking bike Jay, but your tag is lieing.......it won't be your last.
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Found out today you have some good advise, did a 300 Mile run going to Leesburg and Back Was a Record Breaking Mid 90's Day with the Heat Index well above 100 and is no Question the Seat needs Addressing, as Well as a Captain Itch Crotch Cooler Set .. But still Love the Bike .. Is quite the Torque Monster ... Will definitely be checking the Temps Close for my TN trip in May .. Might well take the Dyna for it .. It don't run hot at all Got the Carb set around 13.6 A/F Ratio .. The Mustang Seat on the Dyna as well is a 500 Miler with no problem as well .. Anyway 100 Miles until Break In is done and not due to be Serviced until Wednesday so can enjoy some easy short Rides until then ..

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FuelMoto is about to release their Jackpot 2/1/2 header. Add the PVCX and your heat issue just vanished. And you'll have yet another new bike. It will change that much. Trust me on that. PVCX you already know about so you understand what I'm saying. That alone or I should say with your crotch cooler will make it more ridable in heat but the header will completely solve it. I can't wait myself for the release of it but I really don't have much of a heat issue at all now. It's more like I just want it now. They are saying SOON. May is the target month.

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FuelMoto is about to release their Jackpot 2/1/2 header. Add the PVCX and your heat issue just vanished. And you'll have yet another new bike. It will change that much. Trust me on that. PVCX you already know about so you understand what I'm saying. That alone or I should say with your crotch cooler will make it more ridable in heat but the header will completely solve it. I can't wait myself for the release of it but I really don't have much of a heat issue at all now. It's more like I just want it now. They are saying SOON. May is the target month.
Only concern I have is Losing the CAT where I realize generates a lot of the Heat .. I am not messing up anything on Warranty .. I will question the Pros about this about setting the A/F Ratio at a good point affects the Cats Utilization which is supposed to be Hot .. I can't afford to lose Warranty this put a Big Dent in my Retirement Nest Egg and no way can i Fix this Bike if something major goes wrong without truly hurting financially was one reason parted with the Victory and Scout , both which were on my Nickel if something went wrong ..

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Totally agree. I would wait until at least 10k miles then if no problems go for it and get a new machine. That's what I did and as far as I 'm concerned my bike now has less chance of problems than it did stock. Especially after they screwed it up so bad with the fuel rail recall. They'll not do that again!!!


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Cool bike, congrats! I think that's the first Indian I've seen where I can see the Victory lineage.
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Hey Jay, you might want to ask on the other forum if anyone has used that F11 Topcoat product on that Dark Horse flat black paint. It is apparently being successfully being used on Harley's denim paints but that doesn't mean it can be used on the Indian. And I sure as heck wouldn't want to be the one taking the risk myself. But maybe one of the guys over there that has screwed up part of their paint has tried it with good or further bad results. Sure wouldn't hurt to ask or do some searching about it over there.(which obviously I haven't)
Have done the Top Coat thing after testing it on a small spot on the Rear Fender so did the Fairing where the Bugs are the worst and Lovebug Season has begun in FL .. In a Nutshell it does not hurt the Finish a bit, but don't shine it either but does make the bugs a bit easier to remove so may do the whole Bike for the Protection .. On another Note that F11 made my old Victory Shine like a new One .. Impressive Stuff if have a Shiny Finish here is a Pic after the Victory was done with F11 and talking a 5 Year old Ride with 80,000 Hard Miles ... Think Helped me get a Decent Trade Value on it .. I did the Saddlebag Lids with Maguires Best Wax so could compare up .. If Look Close can see the Saddlebag Lids are just a tad brighter and took me Longer to wax the Saddlebag Lids than it did to Topcoat the Whole Rest of the Bike with F11 .. Just wipe on Easily and Lightly Buff as you go .. I recommend it although am sure some will call it Snake Oil ..
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That is an awesome bike, best of luck with it! It's practically a negative image of my wife's, hers is matte silver.
She loves her's, it's been 100% rock solid reliable for 10,000 miles. Her only repair was the chrome wore off of the power on button on the gas tank, they replaced it in 15 minutes under warranty, no sweat at all. Apparently that's common, if yours is chrome and not black keep an eye on it.
She did something neat to her's, she highlighted the Indian symbols cast on the frame by the neck with silver paint marker, I think it came out great, it would look nice on your Dark Horse too.
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It's kind of dark. I like it.
I wonder if ten years from now, Victory's will become collectors bikes.

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She did something neat to her's, she highlighted the Indian symbols cast on the frame by the neck with silver paint marker, I think it came out great, it would look nice on your Dark Horse too.

Very Neat Idea and I just happen to have a Silver Paint Marker Just Bought for Touch up on our Buick Verano .. Won't even have to buy anything .. Thanks for this Idea ..
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Cool bike, congrats! I think that's the first Indian I've seen where I can see the Victory lineage.
Check out the New Indian Chieftain Classic and Elite with the 19" Front Wheel they even show more Victory Influence although some call it Harley Influence because of no Skirted Fenders either way are a Good looking Ride but quite happy with my Choice and fit my Budget far better ..

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That's a good looking pair of wheels. I am considering an Indian once I get some experience under my belt. Probably a Scout.

I Loved My Scout was a lot of fun except a bit of Pain to work on .. Oil Changes and Clutch Adjustments and Lubing Cable End Barrels were not bad but anything else involved Pulling the Fuel Tank and many simple things like the Spark plugs meant pulling the Air Box as Well .. But was a Blast to Ride although if much over 6 Foot with Long legs especially might find it a bit small for your Frame at my 5'8" it was a Perfect Fit ..
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About like AMF Harleys are would be my guess.
Except you can still get parts for AMF'ers.

Hopefully they'll still be collector's items like that and not more like the Gilroy Indians. Or even worse like most of the production "choppers" such as Big Bear and AIH and so on. You can't give those suckers away.
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Except you can still get parts for AMF'ers.

Hopefully they'll still be collector's items like that and not more like the Gilroy Indians. Or even worse like most of the production "choppers" such as Big Bear and AIH and so on. You can't give those suckers away.
Unless some independent started making the parts I wouldn't bank on it. They only guaranteed parts for 10 years. After that it's no mans land right now. And you're correct of course about the AMF Harleys still can get parts. Although some would actually be upgrades. Same would go for some BMWs. That's the one bad thing about Polaris. They aren't giving out good vibes about parts for any older machines. Hope they improve that track record but I wouldn't bet on it.
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I'm enjoying my V-Star 650 and it's turned out to be a great first bike for me, but day-um I keep spending a lot of time on the Indian web page.

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I'm enjoying my V-Star 650 and it's turned out to be a great first bike for me, but day-um I keep spending a lot of time on the Indian web page.
I know the feeling, but Indian, Triumph, Harley, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Moto Guzzi.....
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I know the feeling, but Indian, Triumph, Harley, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Honda, Moto Guzzi.....
Yeah. I've mostly been looking at Indian and Triumph but of course...

In reality, my V-Star 650 is a great first bike and will do me great for a couple of years. I've already put Vance and Hines Cruzer pipes on her, though that was not really planned. On my first buddy ride with my long time friend (who talked me into getting into motorcycles) my upper pipe fell off. Apparently what happened was the bolt vibrated loose and backed out, and that let the pipe vibrate until it broke clean off at the midpipe adapter that goes between the slip on and the header pipe. There I was riding along having a great time when.... all hell broke loose, noise wise. We found the pipe and I took it to the shop where I bought it on consignment. They said they could order the midpipe piece from Yamaha, take about a week, and put my old pipe back on for an hour in labor plus the $35 part, but the pipe, while functional, was beat up and looked worse for wear after bouncing down the road at 65 mph. Or they could order me a new factory upper pipe plus the little adapter piece for almost $500 total. Or for $550 total including labor they could have new Vance and Hines on her by the weekend. I said "do it." That was late Tuesday and they called me that she was ready Thursday.

This weekend I have larger bags and a custom back rest I ordered from Protech backrests to install. I absolutely do not NEED another bike, or bigger bike, or different bike yet. But it sure is easy to want one!
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Have Added a Captain Itch Crotch Cooler and a Long Ride Shield Tomahawk Flip 12" .. Should be Ready to Travel Now .. 1,000+ Miles and Ready to Roll ..
I'd highly suggest you add one more item. A dead sheep to sit on. You'll need it.
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Joe, I don't know that I'd be putting anything on my bike made by a dude that calls himself, "Captain Itch Crotch."
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Joe, I don't know that I'd be putting anything on my bike made by a dude that calls himself, "Captain Itch Crotch."


He makes fine Leather Stuff , Holsters, Belts, etc.. Guess when you're good can call yourself what you like ..


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Joe, I don't know that I'd be putting anything on my bike made by a dude that calls himself, "Captain Itch Crotch."
I'm surprised you've not heard of him or seen his work. He could call himself Captain Crotch Itch and I'd be fine with it. I had to cut a notch on the one I got from him and can say he uses some thick leather. I was beginning to think I'd have to use a saw to get thru the thing. And I was using a new X-ACTO blade.

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