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Goodbye Victory

Victory's Scott Wine announced today that they are going to close the Victory factory and focus on their Indian line. When I went to a Victory forum I found about 10 threads started by some rather disgruntled owners.
Polaris says it's end of the line for Victory Motorcycle brand - StarTribune.com
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If they're happy with the bikes they have I don't see why they would be disgruntled. The article I saw said they will continue parts support for ten years.
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So sad to see them go. They were such unique looking bikes. Love them or Hate them, the Vision couldn't be confused for other brands. I love ours still today!!

From the sounds of it, the value of ours just went to almost 0. Only 10 years of parts isn't enough, IMO. I'm pretty sure most will last longer than that.
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Simply Put will Keep and Ride my Cross Country until feel I am wasting my money on the upkeep of it .. Sorry to see this happen but from a business viewpoint can understand my Polaris did this although was partly Polaris Fault as did not do much in ways of improving the Victory Model After they bought Indian ..
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I honestly don't see a problem for Victory owners. Are you throwing parts at your bikes? No. At least not that I've seen. Maybe you do and are quiet about it. Now if Harley did the same and you owned a Harley I could see concern. But from what I've seen Victory's are so reliable that you ride for years with zero parts being changed. So what's the concern other than your trade-in value just took a deep nose-dive. Ride it until the wheels fall off. Buy any questionable parts now and you are good.
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I also wouldn't be concerned. And if I were in the market for a new bike, I'd likely jump at a Cross Country with liquidation pricing. The aftermarket will continue to offer parts like drive belts and other maintenance items long after the 10 year promise from Polaris. From what I understand there isn't much more to do to the bikes than that as long as the bike hasn't been hopped up too much.

Heck, my 10 year old Harley already has obsolete parts that I can't get from the factory anymore.
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There is such a large aftermarket industry for Harley's that they don't carry a complete inventory of parts for a long time. That would a waste of resources. But they do carry many other parts for quite some time.

On the other hand, between OEM parts and aftermarket you can get almost anything you need for just about any HD bike. I can get a replacement for every single part on my 61 year old Harley.
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Find me a new (not a used and questionable eBay part) Delphi cruise control module for my '07 Ultra and I'll be a happy guy.
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Part number 70955-04 for that bike?
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Part number 70955-04 for that bike?

If that is the right part number then here is a page full. Not all are eBay. There is even a repair link.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...F-8#q=70955-04
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I think it's been superseded
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That part and its superceded/preceded part are all but non-existent. All those links in the websearch turn up nothing. Even used on eBay are hard to find and pricey. And I'd rather new since these units are common to fail. I think I found a source in Norway for NOS HD parts. Their site shows they have them, but not sure of actual stock. But pricing is nuts even before shipping.

Which link did you see that talks about repairing them?
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Find me a new (not a used and questionable eBay part) Delphi cruise control module for my '07 Ultra and I'll be a happy guy.
Oh shyyyte. Yours went out too. I hope that module is really what's wrong with yours. The cruise just stopped on my 07 as well. They changed that module and still wouldn't work. They even put a new tach on because it also is part of that maze of circuitry. Still wouldn't work. After waiting a week for another, they changed the ECM. Bingo, it worked. So they remove the other new parts and put the old back on and it still worked. Keep your fingers cross. Wasn't much later that I traded it for what I have now. Here's my crossed fingers for you.

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Anyone ever take one of those apart to see what the weak link is? Most car modules fail because of bad solder joints. Usually one of these module repair places will start repairing them when they are so troublesome. If they aren't gelpacked I repair them myself when possible.
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That part and its superceded/preceded part are all but non-existent. All those links in the websearch turn up nothing. Even used on eBay are hard to find and pricey. And I'd rather new since these units are common to fail. I think I found a source in Norway for NOS HD parts. Their site shows they have them, but not sure of actual stock. But pricing is nuts even before shipping.

Which link did you see that talks about repairing them?
A'ight. I'll be in the shop on Thursday and see what's available.
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That part and its superceded/preceded part are all but non-existent. All those links in the websearch turn up nothing. Even used on eBay are hard to find and pricey. And I'd rather new since these units are common to fail. I think I found a source in Norway for NOS HD parts. Their site shows they have them, but not sure of actual stock. But pricing is nuts even before shipping.

Which link did you see that talks about repairing them?
I went back to look and it isn't there. So I did another search and came up with this. Hope it helps.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...uise%20control
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Anyone ever take one of those apart to see what the weak link is? Most car modules fail because of bad solder joints. Usually one of these module repair places will start repairing them when they are so troublesome. If they aren't gelpacked I repair them myself when possible.
I haven't personally run across one that's failed yet where a replacement wasn't available. (And only a few in general.) I never thought of trying to repair one, but you've given me the idea that maybe I could.

Worth a look, for sure.
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I haven't personally run across one that's failed yet where a replacement wasn't available. (And only a few in general.) I never thought of trying to repair one, but you've given me the idea that maybe I could.

Worth a look, for sure.
Maybe Lurch can supply a donor.
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That part and its superceded/preceded part are all but non-existent. All those links in the websearch turn up nothing. Even used on eBay are hard to find and pricey. And I'd rather new since these units are common to fail. I think I found a source in Norway for NOS HD parts. Their site shows they have them, but not sure of actual stock. But pricing is nuts even before shipping.
I checked and sho 'nuff it's not available. P/n 70989-04 isn't available either and neither are showing in the HD USA system. That doesn't mean there isn't one somewhere in a dealership, just that they don't have it in the system. I'd use both part numbers and call a bunch of big dealerships, like Ronnie's in Chicago maybe.

But, are you certain it's the module itself that's failed? Is the stepper motor not working? Is the cruise dropping out or not activating? Usually there's a few other problems that can cause it not to work, such as an electrical issue or a problem with the idle cable roll off switch or something. (Especially if someone changed hand grips and didn't properly adjust the cables.) I'd make sure I covered those before I ordered a part from Europe or tried to find one at a dealership. Those suckers are expensive!
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It started this past summer. Cruising along, cruise set and green light on. Bike slowly starts losing speed. Not like coasting, but as if you reduced throttle a bit. After losing 5 or 10 mph the cruise light turns orange (which mean on, but not set) and the bike starts losing speed rapidly as it starts coasting. Reset cruise and it would work for a while. Maybe a few days. Then happen again. Slowly got worse and more frequent.

Got to where it won't even set most of the time. And when it does, it would eventually do what I already described. Now it's at a point where it will it set very rarely, and always lose speed.

I have found the procedures for pulling up cruise codes. No code show. I've also found the procedures for testing the cruise switched (throttle, brakes, etc), which also tensions the stepper cable as the last step. That always checked well. The puzzling part for me is the loss of speed while cruise is still active and the intermittent activation. If it just shut off or always refused to activate I would at least think it was a switch.
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Is the HD cruise vacuum actuated or controlled? I know some Royal Stars had an issue with a vacuum leak at the control unit.


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That sounds like a cruise cable or roll-off switch issue, but in truth I've never done enough of these to be all intimate with them without looking some stuff up. I'll stop by the shop tomorrow and grab the right book and go over the EDG's for that model and we'll see what we can come up with.

If we can't figure something out I can ask an electronic guru when I see him next week probably. That guy has forgotten more then I'll ever know about Harley electronics.
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Is the HD cruise vacuum actuated or controlled? I know some Royal Stars had an issue with a vacuum leak at the control unit.
It's controlled by data from sensors through the ECM, but a stepper motor in the cruise module activates the throttle via a ribbon reel moving the cruise cable.
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If it was the cruise cable, would that make it so that it wouldn't set to begin with? I could see it being the cable causing the loss of speed. Poor lube or something not letting it adjust itself properly. But would it stop it from letting me engage the cruise at all, intermittently, to begin with?

On the flip side, if it was the roll off switch, what's with the loss of speed while cruise is engaged? That the cruise has several different issues is what made me think the module is acting up.
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Your symptoms do sound different than mine Lurch. Mine was sudden total loss. Worked riding coming home one afternoon. Didn't work the next morning going out. I had zero shut offs or loss of speed issues. I actually thought it was a brake switch issue and I did have a rear brake switch out. That was a false lead though apparently in my case.

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Yeah, we took this one off in a different direction. S'cuse! I'll start another thread.
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Back on Topic guess might surprise a few, might not .. The closest Victory Dealer to me has sold more Victory's in the last 2 days than they have in the past 2 months .. Think they got about 6 left then all gone ..

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I haven't checked our two nearby dealers, but this time of year in northern Wisconsin I'd be surprised if they are moving many bikes, even if discounted.
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Polaris is probably selling more snowmobiles then motorcycles up there right now.
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I haven't checked our two nearby dealers, but this time of year in northern Wisconsin I'd be surprised if they are moving many bikes, even if discounted.
Would think that's self explained ..

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I've been surprised before when a new model of motorcycle comes out. A lot of people up here buy them during the winter and have them held until spring. We were going to do that with an Indian before our Ultra came along. Maybe if the pricing is right already, this could happen with the Vics. As I said in the other Goodbye Vic thread, if I was in the market for another touring bike, I'd seriously be interested in a CC at a big discount. I test rode them twice, and while not completely enthralled with them, they were very nice and we'd happily own one.
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This all might be suggesting that if Victorys were priced lower to begin with they may have sold better. And if folks up north don't get one soon they may not get one for these good prices as folks south will just have them do a dealer to dealer transfer. Now's the time, PERIOD.
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They're engineered and built here. I don't think you could sell them for less on a day to day basis. I'm pro-American labor, but I understand that means a higher price tag to cover wages.
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So just how much more do stockholder earn when a company goes out of business? I suggest it's time stockholders earned a little less rather than earn nothing at all. I realize in this particular case it makes no difference. It's a generalized statement. Earn a little less forever or earn a lot for a very short time. It really is that simple and their choice.

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So just how much more do stockholder earn when a company goes out of business? I suggest it's time stockholders earned a little less rather than earn nothing at all. I realize in this particular case it makes no difference. It's a generalized statement. Earn a little less forever or earn a lot for a very short time. It really is that simple and their choice.
Looks like Victory was a loser for the stockholders. Sales of Victory peaked in 2012 and steadily declined since. The Company lost money in Victory 3 of the past 5 years. Time to cut their losses. http://s2.q4cdn.com/339036663/files/...t-1-9-17-F.pdf

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At these Prices Totally Tempted but no way going to own 4 Motorcycles and refuse to give them away on trade when they are all running great, so staying the hell away from there because scared might give in .. But if looking for a Great price havn't found any better ..


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That's better than one of our local dealers. They want $17K for a CC Tour. $18K for the two tone model. Still far cheaper than original. Man, I'd hate to be a guy that just bought a Victory a month ago at regular prices.
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That's better than one of our local dealers. They want $17K for a CC Tour. $18K for the two tone model. Still far cheaper than original. Man, I'd hate to be a guy that just bought a Victory a month ago at regular prices.
This is Very True but not a lot can be done about it .. If had happened to me think once got over my initial anger at polaris would get down to earth and realize Victory is not famous for good resale anyway .. But they do give a Long Reliable Fun Ride if take care of it ..

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