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This forum is agonizingly slow for me. Is it just my puter or maybe some setting? I am on a few other forum and none of them give me the trouble this one does. I am not bitching. I just want to fix my puter if it is the problem....I am new but I am not one to usually complain. I am just glad to be here. I am having no problem with slow typing this but on other threads it is very difficult for me to type slow enough.
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Seems to be working fine for me.
It may be at your ISP's end.

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I have a nine year old computer and I'm running XP, which has not been supported by Microsoft for some time. I rarely use Its Internet Explorer as it is a real pain, but I use Chrome and Firefox. I'm on a couple of forums and have no problem with any of them. This forum runs fine, but I am using the Classic setting, the new is not to my liking...
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I am currently using MS 10 and it sucks. This is the last machine that uses MS OS I will ever own. Never again. I may even take it to a shop and have it changed over to one of the other OS. If I knew how I would do it myself but I am no puter geek. I have 4 other forums that I follow with some regularity and none of them give me the same issues that I am seeing on this forum. Something is absolutely different here but the problem may well be with my machine or software though this machine is less than a year old. My old puter puked so I had no choice but upgrade. I believe my old machine was XP but I did like 98 better. Like I said," no more MS OS for me " Bill Gates can take a flying *&&^.....I am even considering having my old machine's OS changed over first as I have heard that once the old sick MS OS can be causing the old puter problems and it did seem to be a soft ware issue and not hardware.
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I'm still running XP myself.
And an old version of Firefox.
My next new machine will run a version of Linux.

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if I knew how to change to Linux I would change over my old laptop to see how it works. That is what I am thinking of doing but take into a shop for someone that knows what they are doing.
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if I knew how to change to Linux I would change over my old laptop to see how it works. That is what I am thinking of doing but take into a shop for someone that knows what they are doing.
If you know how to burn a bootable DVD you can download an Ubuntu image that will run temporarily from the DVD without installing it. That way you can try it out. If you like it the same disc offers to install Linux on boot up. There may be other versions that do this too, but this is the one I know off the top of my head. Just be prepared for a learning curve. You claim not to be a computer "geek", so its probably worth noting that even though, like most people, you may not like MS, there really aren't any options out there (except maybe Mac) that make themselves as easy to use. If you DO go the Linux route, expect a rather large learning curve and to become a computer "geek" whether you mean to or not.

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I may not like Linux either and it sounds like you are quite knowledgeable. I actually have enjoyed MS for many many years. I actually started on dos and then graduated to Windows 3.XXX... Windows was a revelation compared to dos and then 95 and 98 was forth coming and it was great stuff. I just don't care for this 10 version and I assume it is a preview of where MS is heading.
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This forum is agonizingly slow for me. Is it just my puter or maybe some setting? I am on a few other forum and none of them give me the trouble this one does. I am not bitching. I just want to fix my puter if it is the problem....I am new but I am not one to usually complain. I am just glad to be here. I am having no problem with slow typing this but on other threads it is very difficult for me to type slow enough.
I agree. When I brought it up in the technical issues section they told me to do a reboot and purge my cookies. To that I say BS. When the only place the PC slows down is here, it has something to do with being here, like all the ads that the running tally at the bottom of the screen says I am waiting for every time I try to change screens.


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Wow! I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I rarely purge my system of cookies and I never see a running tally at the bottom of all the ads I'm waiting for. Not sure what that even means.

If my old equipment can operate on this forum without problems, I'd say it must be with the "new" equipment a lot of you guys are running. Vintage may not always be better, but it works for me....
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I don't much about all that stuff either. I always go to the jar to find cookies.

I do believe that the issue is related to either my machine or this crappy Windows 10. I have several times went to various web sites that gave me a message to the effect that they do not support my soft ware and won't let me in.
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Windows 10 can be a memory hog and doesn't like to release it. Either investigate ways to manage it or dump your cookies daily and reboot every other day.

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I don't remember seeing any messages. But some days I have to reboot every day and I have seen the need to do it twice in one day on a few occasions. I sure hate to delete cookies everyday. That would force me to sign into different things everyday. What a pain. I guess I am just lazy ass well as senile and puter illiterate.
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I wouldn't touch a Linux system unless I had a very good working knowledge of Unix. I've been out of the computer world so long that back then there where no such thing as a menu driven operation. Has it changed and that's what Linux is now or do you still need all those near programmer terms to get around. AIX is what I last touched and man you had to be almost a programmer to get around. Just like DOS. So if you've been spoiled with Windows, stay with it. Or switch to a Mac.

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I wouldn't touch a Linux system unless I had a very good working knowledge of Unix. I've been out of the computer world so long that back then there where no such thing as a menu driven operation. Has it changed and that's what Linux is now or do you still need all those near programmer terms to get around. AIX is what I last touched and man you had to be almost a programmer to get around. Just like DOS. So if you've been spoiled with Windows, stay with it. Or switch to a Mac.
Current versions of Linux sport a windows explorer (or Mac like shell). However, it still requires that you know the Linux/Unix background, or are willing to research some of the stuff you want to do. However, if you really want to geek out, all of the old command line stuff is still there. So you can basically pull up the equivalent of the windows command prompt and have at it *OR* you can switch out of the windowed environment completely and **shudder** just work from the command line. Kind of reminds me of the old windows 3.x running over DOS. And, yeah, a great Unix background helps alot. I recently worked with a guy who was very proficient at Linux and used nothing but the command line and no windowing environment at all. To say the Linux commands are abstruse is an understatement. And the things you can do with the built in utilities like grep - oh man!


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Sure sounds like Linux is not the thing for me......Does it make sense to go back to one of the old MS systems like 98? I don't thing that these are supported by MS any longer. The wife suggested I go to Mac too as that is what she is using. I have fought it off for 3 or 4 years. Of course I fought off getting a cell phone for a long time too and now that I have one I wouldn't be without.....
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A Mac has it's own windows type environment and will lead you by the nose sorta. But they have their own way of doing things and you really have to forget most of what you normally did and learn the Apple way of doing things. I've had mine for several years and I still pull my hair out, well make the beard, trying to figure out how they think. But if you don't fight it a Mac is okay. But I'm sure not trying to sell you on it. It might be your best move though especially if your wife is around to ask how to get something done. Like getting started from scratch.

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Ditz may not see them but I see them by the truckload for each advance from point to point. Even pulling up a new page is filled with "waiting for xxx" information. It is often faster than I can read them but until all the ads get loaded the forum is going nowhere. The list often includes crap like adaware, a well known irritant.


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Sure sounds like Linux is not the thing for me......Does it make sense to go back to one of the old MS systems like 98? I don't thing that these are supported by MS any longer. The wife suggested I go to Mac too as that is what she is using. I have fought it off for 3 or 4 years. Of course I fought off getting a cell phone for a long time too and now that I have one I wouldn't be without.....
Windows 7, the one I am using, is about as far back as is presently supported by Microsoft. For a more robust version of a web browser than the crap packaged with Windows, try using Firefox. A quick search will find a version that will work with your machine at no cost to you. Once in a great while I find I must use the Windows browser for things where the web site is not set up to use Firefox but those places are more and more rare every year. I don't care for it much but Google Chrome is well respected by some people as a browser too. No need to settle for whatever Microsoft put on your machine.


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Ditz may not see them but I see them by the truckload for each advance from point to point. Even pulling up a new page is filled with "waiting for xxx" information. It is often faster than I can read them but until all the ads get loaded the forum is going nowhere. The list often includes crap like adaware, a well known irritant.
If the messages go fast, that means they are working the way they are supposed to. It's any that linger on the screen that could point to something broken. Anything that stays on the page long enough for you to grab a screenshot is worth taking a look at

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Thanks to all for the help. It could also be that this new machine is not worth a tinkers. Just not fast enough for the soft ware that was installed at the factory. I am suspecting a combination of the two. I know the pointer is difficult to control meaning that it is sometimes difficult to put it exactly where I want it. I am about ready to give up on the whole mess. I have saved a few pics and a couple of other files but mostly this machine is only used to go thru my forums and do some other surfing for what ever comes to mind. The net is such a wonderful tool. One can find out almost anything.
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Thanks to all for the help. It could also be that this new machine is not worth a tinkers. Just not fast enough for the soft ware that was installed at the factory. I am suspecting a combination of the two. I know the pointer is difficult to control meaning that it is sometimes difficult to put it exactly where I want it. I am about ready to give up on the whole mess. I have saved a few pics and a couple of other files but mostly this machine is only used to go thru my forums and do some other surfing for what ever comes to mind. The net is such a wonderful tool. One can find out almost anything.
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Post up your machine specs (processor brand/model, and amount of memory, and whether its a 32 or 64 bit operating system) It could be exactly what you said, you might be running too much for the machine to handle it. Also which anti-virus are you using. You can find the cpu and memory info by right clicking on "This PC" in file explorer and selecting properties from the pop menu. Maybe the machine IS underpowered or maybe you just need a memory upgrade. Lets see if we can help.

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Ditz: If your pointer is moving around too fast or jerky, have a friend go into the mouse profile and slow it down. You could do it yourself in just a minute or two but it sounds like you are not that familiar with adjusting your settings. Pointer speed on the screen is nothing but software. Personally I like mine set at maximum which is way to fast for lots of people but it suits me fine. To get from one side of the screen to the other my mouse moves less than 2 inches. I can slow it down so much in the mouse control area I would have to move my hand across the entire desk to get across the screen but I find that irritating.


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See. I was thinking herky jerky cursor movements. Almost like the machine was too busy to handle the mouse input. But on second read could "difficult to put it where I want" mean that it is set too fast/sensitive. I still think we need a quick look at processor and memory though. There are a lot of inexpensive machines that sell with Pentium processors and too little memory to run the OS efficiently. Throw an Antivirus on top of that and its a recipe for a sluggish machine.

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Ditz... Oldman is right, it's just a simple setting adjustment to correct the mouse movement. Don't know how much memory you have but too little can cause it to run slow. And some anti-virus really eat up space on the computer. The popular ones are usually some of the worst.
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Hey Oldman….. ….. Yea, I don’t know a lot but I can change pointer speed. It is not the speed. It is jerky at times, but not always and I like the speed on the fast side as well. Sometimes it becomes jerky so the pointer just over or under shoots where I am trying to put it. It is not always like that however. I don't have this problem on this thread yet. When the thread gets long or is picture heavy it seems to get worse. that is the reason that I do believe it my problem is two fold. Soft and hardware. This is a Toshiba laptop. When I first started it up all I seemed to get was popups trying to sell me software. It was one big advertisement. I should have returned it right then and there. Live and learn. It is an Intel Pentium but I will have to do some hunting to get the rest of the tech details.
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You may want to download and run a dedicated malware scanner and run it (without advertising for them, I like Malwarebytes at malwarebytes.com [there's a free version for home use]). Typically one of the first things I do when setting up one of those big box store machines is uninstall all of the crapware they package with it. However that Pentium processor IS older than dirt technology wise. That being said though, my wife has a pentium based laptop, I picked up cheap, and it's running windows 10 no problem. I upgraded the memory to 8 GB and use the built in windows firewall and windows defender for anti-virus and it runs OK. It's fine for web browsing, word processing and email which is primarily what she uses it for, I just wouldn't try to do anything that requires a lot of computing power.

As far as Antivirus programs go, those add on antivirus programs like McAffee and Symantec may be slightly better than the built in MS one but they usually have a lot more overhead associated with them and they can really suck up a machine's processing power. The built in MS one and firewall are pretty much sufficient for most users but if you don't want to use their's, there are free for home use alternatives that are much more light weight and don't suck up as much in the way of system resources and may be a better fit for your system resources.

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This laptop gets used just about like your wife's. I am running McAfee but I am not especially proud of it. I can't see where it is doing much but I could well be wrong. I am busy with travel prep right now but I will try doing as you suggest. I don't know what G this machine has. I will do some checking on that too. It has been a long time since I did much to any puter but I will figure out what this thing has. Thanks for your help
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Get rid of McAfee! It uses SOOOOOOO much memory on 'start up' forces itself into every aspect of your browsing. Uninstall it ASAP.

Windows Defender is built in and works 10 times better than McAfee.

If you install this FREE program, then win 10 becomes easy to use and navigate. I install this on all of my customers computers for free of course This program is fantastic for win 8 and 8.1 also!

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After you install this program, click on the 'start' tab in the lower left and then in the box that says: "Search programs and files," type this in; "msconfig." Click on 'BOOT' and Change the boot time from 30 to 3 seconds, then click on 'Services,' then click 'hide all Microsoft services' and then look at every program or service there and 'un-click,' what you don't want. Then go to 'Startup,' and click on 'open task manager,' and this will show you a list of all programs that 'start,' every time you boot your computer. Note that in 'startup impact,' the memory usage is shown. Right click and choose disable any program that uses excessive memory, especially the programs that you don't normally use. In all instances after you make changes click on 'apply' at the bottom. Close the msconfig program and reboot and see if things run smoother and faster.

If you aren't happy, go back to msconfig and 'enable' everything to the default. None of the changes you make delete the programs.

Bye the way lots of MALWARE boots itself into existence through 'startup' automatically to give you problems and grief.

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There's really no need for classic shell with the new windows 10 start menu, at least from my point of view. Using it just puts off learning the new Windows (lets be nice and call them) features. However, it does give better access to stuff in the manmer that the old start menu used to. But, if all your looking for is a start menu change that gives you similar access you can do that with Start Menu X. And keep most of the other windows 10 "niceties". Win 10 is REALLY not bad once you get used to it. I actually have gotten pretty used to it, but then again I use a lot of typed in commands to get to stuff like services, printers, control panel, etc....

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