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If my bike isn't "real" am I suffering from an existential crisis?

...or have I been reading too many books written by Michio Kaku? When I got my new motorcycle home (Ducati SuperSport) my wife put up a photograph of it on Facebook. Within 2 hours, 3 Harley owners had said it wasn't a "real bike." Now, I've owned all Japanese bikes before this Italian one, so this accusation is one I'm familiar with, but I still wonder what it means. If it's not real, how did it deduct so much money from my checking account?
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I'm with Eye on this one. People talk crap about me riding a dirt bike on the road, and little toys with my Jap bikes. Oh well. As to the amount you paid for it... Yeah. Bikes are just big holes in the road to throw money in. Slightly better than boats, though.
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Don't let what others think of your bike cause you any concern.
It doesn't really bother me. I've just always found it an incredibly odd thing to say. It's a rude and presumptuous thing to say, nevertheless.
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I'm with Eye on this one. People talk crap about me riding a dirt bike on the road, and little toys with my Jap bikes. Oh well. As to the amount you paid for it... Yeah. Bikes are just big holes in the road to throw money in. Slightly better than boats, though.
Very true. I somehow convinced my wife that with the increased fuel efficiency, it'd basically pay for itself! We all know that's complete rubbish, but data can be skewed to prove anything, and I (literally) did and ROI for her. I had to get...creative.
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Sod the elitists is what I say. In all walks of life. Heck, as Eye says, sod what other people think.

It's quite funny, I am signed up to another motorcycle forum, but UK based members, rather than US ones. The moment I suggested I wanted to ride a cruiser the gay jokes came out. Interesting how people's perspectives of what a "real" bike is differ. I am with you, it's a thing with two wheels and powered by a motor.

But other people's opinions are like a fart in the wind, they stink for a moment and but once passed, nothing to care out. You wanna ride a Ducati Supersport, awesome, my boss's partner rides one and she's a fierce dragon of a woman, so I'm not going to accuse her partner of not riding a real bike, else she burns me to a crisp.

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Sod the elitists is what I say. In all walks of life. Heck, as Eye says, sod what other people think.

It's quite funny, I am signed up to another motorcycle forum, but UK based members, rather than US ones. The moment I suggested I wanted to ride a cruiser the gay jokes came out. Interesting how people's perspectives of what a "real" bike is. I am with you, it's a thing with two wheels and powered by a motor.

But other people's opinions are like a fart in the wind, they stink for a moment and but once passed, nothing to care out. You wanna ride a Ducati Supersport, awesome, my boss's partner rides one and she's a fierce dragon of a woman, so I'm not going to accuse her partner of not riding a real bike, else she burns me to a crisp.
Isn't that true. I work for a German company in a state different from the one I grew up in, so the majority of my friends here are Europeans (mostly German). The idea of a cruiser confuses them nearly as much as the idea of Brexit () and the one friend whose dad has a full bagger is quite the anomaly over there. It is bizarre having my Italian motorcycle referred to as Jap Crap, though.
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I think it's generally considered an American thing and I think sportier, more nimble bikes are a more European thing. Though obviously, cruisers have their market here too, so I am just generalising. However, I will be going to Germany in a couple of months, and will be spending a certain amount of time on the road, I think I'll note if I see any cruisers. :P

And yeah, Ducati is a very Japanese-sounding name, like how "Carl" is very Korean.
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No need to wonder why people say mean things. It's because they are dicks.

I'm glad Ducati put a SuperSport back in their lineup. It looks like a fun bike. Sign me up for a white one with red rims.

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I think it's generally considered an American thing and I think sportier, more nimble bikes are a more European thing. Though obviously, cruisers have their market here too, so I am just generalising. However, I will be going to Germany in a couple of months, and will be spending a certain amount of time on the road, I think I'll note if I see any cruisers. :P

And yeah, Ducati is a very Japanese-sounding name, like how "Carl" is very Korean.
Couldn't agree more! Perhaps we should call it, what, a "pasta boiler" as opposed to "rice burner". Enjoy those German roads.
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He he, and I guess Triumphs would be Crumpet Toasters?

Nothing to enjoy about the roads . I'll be stuck on a coach, I go to a music festival in Germany every year and there's a coach that takes us, along with a load of other metal heads.

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Don't let what others think of your bike cause you any concern.
Go with this. I've heard the phrase, "Harleys and motorcycles."

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And yeah, Ducati is a very Japanese-sounding name, like how "Carl" is very Korean.
Dat's funny rite dere I don kere who ya arr. Still trying to figure out what the verb "sod" means. On this side of the pond it's grass that cut from the ground, rolled up, sold, and rolled out usually in the yard of one subdivision where perfect yards are required, and no one wants to do the work.

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In British English, it's short for sodomite as a noun.

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...or have I been reading too many books written by Michio Kaku? When I got my new motorcycle home (Ducati SuperSport) my wife put up a photograph of it on Facebook. Within 2 hours, 3 Harley owners had said it wasn't a "real bike." Now, I've owned all Japanese bikes before this Italian one, so this accusation is one I'm familiar with, but I still wonder what it means. If it's not real, how did it deduct so much money from my checking account?
How to know if your motorcycle is real or not:

1: Is it a motorized machine with 2 or 3 wheels?

2: Does it physically exist?

Congratulations! It's a real motorcycle. It's real, and it's a motorcycle.

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In British English, it's short for sodomite as a noun.
Similar to how "bugger" as a moderate insult stems from an old English term for bestiality. Or as they called it, "buggery".

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Couldn't agree more! Perhaps we should call it, what, a "pasta boiler" as opposed to "rice burner". Enjoy those German roads.
I've heard them called a "pasta rocket". And Triumphs a "tea kettle", or "lefty" ( since British driving places you in the left lane, instead of the right ).

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...or have I been reading too many books written by Michio Kaku? When I got my new motorcycle home (Ducati SuperSport) my wife put up a photograph of it on Facebook. Within 2 hours, 3 Harley owners had said it wasn't a "real bike." Now, I've owned all Japanese bikes before this Italian one, so this accusation is one I'm familiar with, but I still wonder what it means. If it's not real, how did it deduct so much money from my checking account?
I once had a Harley guy at the local watering hole make a comment like that about my FJR sort of in fun.

He was riding some electro super Evo American Eagle glide or whatever with 6000 miles on it and it was 5 Years old.

When he found out that mine had 100,000 miles on it, his tune changed.

I guess maybe riding it makes it real.

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I own a Fatboy and a Diavel. The Ducati blows away the Harley in all categories except coolness. Even then my Duc gets thumbs up everywhere I go.
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I've owned Duc's, Beemer's, Trumpet's, Harley's and every Jap bike imaginable from 50cc's to the Rocket 3's 2,294cc's, from 1 cylinder to 6 and they were all unique and cutting edge at the time.

We massage our corpulent ego's if we think that what we ride defines us: We are what we think we are, what others think we are and what we really are, as in it's all a matter of perception.

I have always been amazed at the arrogance of some just because of the bike they ride--at that particular time in their life because undoubtedly, their tune will change when they switch brands (OMG) and move on to a brand that they bad mouthed all the time in the past.

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Of course everyone should ride whatever it is that makes them happy, and not give a crap about what some others say. But I will admit that when, for reasons of health I had to switch from a cool sport tourer to a maxi-scooter, I was constantly telling MYSELF that I should give it up and get a REAL motorcycle. That scooter, a Honda Silverwing, did everything that a motorcycle does, and did it very well. In many ways it was superior to most motorcycles. But whether it was the "kitchen chair" seating position, or the lack of a clutch and the need to shift gears, or the look of the vehicle, as much as I enjoyed riding it I was not happy. It didn't come from others, in fact many people commented on what a cool ride it was, but the unhappiness came from me. So once my legs were back to where I could swing one over the seat of a motorcycle, I traded in the Silverwing and bought a nice cruiser. So just get whatever it is that makes YOU satisfied, whether that be a real motorcycle or a Harley, whatever.
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As a Harley guy (and a Honda and Yamaha guy), I think your SuperSport is a real and beautiful bike. Before seeing this thread, I just posted another one about online jerks in the cycle world. Ignore their crap and just ride. Anything on two (or three) wheels with an engine is cool in my book.
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No need to wonder why people say mean things. It's because they are dicks.

I'm glad Ducati put a SuperSport back in their lineup. It looks like a fun bike. Sign me up for a white one with red rims.
It's an absolute blast, and looks awful good to boot. The power delivery is so much different from an I4, and really grin inducing. I just broke a thousand kilometers no so soon I'll be able to see what the top end feels like. I was at the dealer ready to buy a Multistrada, saw info on the SuperSport and bought it well before it was released. Happy to say, it hasn't disappointed!
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He he, and I guess Triumphs would be Crumpet Toasters?

Nothing to enjoy about the roads . I'll be stuck on a coach, I go to a music festival in Germany every year and there's a coach that takes us, along with a load of other metal heads.
Sounds interesting! Metal is about the only music sung that the German language compliments though, I have to say. It's a tad abrasive!
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My Honda Shadow was referred to as a HD Sportster wanna-be. How was I to know?? It's my first bike and it's about as real as it's going to get. I try very hard not to let others spoil my delight with their non-helpful opinions. It's not always an easy thing to do!
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Similar to how "bugger" as a moderate insult stems from an old English term for bestiality. Or as they called it, "buggery".

"Oi! Git out uh moy way, ya dir'y bugguh!"
You should have seen my reaction the first time a British guy asked me if I had a cigarette in that uniquely British way...
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When I started dating my wife (a Brit) she said to me "why don't you come by and knock me up"

Imagine my disappointment when I found out it meant come over (and knock on the door).
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You should have seen my reaction the first time a British guy asked me if I had a cigarette in that uniquely British way...
Did he also ask for an eraser?

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When I started dating my wife (a Brit) she said to me "why don't you come by and knock me up"

Imagine my disappointment when I found out it meant come over (and knock on the door).
Yeah, about 95% of what we say can be taken as an innuendo. As my Romanian colleague is learning, but it doesn't help that she has a really dirty mind, to begin with.

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"Oi, can I bum a fag and a rubber?"
And is how I innocently got into trouble on a forum as a teenager. The word didn't use to have such an impact here, so when I discovered it was an insult, I never thought it to have the same weight or knew what it meant, so when I jokingly called the mods "fags"...

Some words are funnier the other way round too; like fanny is an innocent way of saying "butt", but has a much ruder meaning here (lower lady parts). So when you talk about your fanny packs in US TV shows...


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Sounds interesting! Metal is about the only music sung that the German language compliments though, I have to say. It's a tad abrasive!
German is a fun language at least. Regenbogen is rainbow, yet sound so harsh when said. "JA ICH LIEBE MIENE SCHONE SCHMITTERLING" is what a German sounds like when they express their love for a pretty butterfly. Though my German is a bit weak, told it was "cute" though, but a barmaid did correct me on my ordering of mead, she said, "how you say it isn't like mead, but actually a dish that's made up of a small piece of meat, you don't want to chat up a lady by asking for a piece of small meat." It was following that conversation I ended up speaking to a gentleman who tried to get me to challenge his wife in a cage fight. Which reminds me of another guy who drunkedly told me that's only one phrase I needed to learn in German, "Ich will ein bier du schlampe", and told me to use it on his girlfriend over and said "use it on her" when she came back, I saw where it was going, but went ahead anyway, it translates to "I want a beer you sl**" to which she said "ignore him".
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Existentialism, isn't that if your Harley makes a potato-potato-potato sound in the car park, and there's no-one there to hear it, does it exist?

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Sod the elitists is what I say. In all walks of life. Heck, as Eye says, sod what other people think.

It's quite funny, I am signed up to another motorcycle forum, but UK based members, rather than US ones. The moment I suggested I wanted to ride a cruiser the gay jokes came out. Interesting how people's perspectives of what a "real" bike is differ. I am with you, it's a thing with two wheels and powered by a motor.

But other people's opinions are like a fart in the wind, they stink for a moment and but once passed, nothing to care out. You wanna ride a Ducati Supersport, awesome, my boss's partner rides one and she's a fierce dragon of a woman, so I'm not going to accuse her partner of not riding a real bike, else she burns me to a crisp.
Wow. No one would call a cruiser "gay" here. They might think only grumpy old men ride 'em, but we grumpy old men are, well, grumpy. And sometimes unpredictably dangerous when poked.

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My favorite:

When I started dating my wife (a Brit) she said to me "why don't you come by and knock me up"

Imagine my disappointment when I found out it meant come over (and knock on the door).
"But I'm wearing break-away pants and a bowtie!...somewhere..."
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Did he also ask for an eraser?

"Oi, can I bum a fag and a rubber?"

"Sounds like you're having fun, later..."
I like reading the UK edition of The Guardian like to read the comments section under stories (it's often better than the journalism itself). I'm always impressed with the intelligence of the readership, but when the topic is something regional the things they're saying sound like Martian to me. It's amazing that we both understand English but speak completely different languages.
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Yeah, about 95% of what we say can be taken as an innuendo. As my Romanian colleague is learning, but it doesn't help that she has a really dirty mind, to begin with.



And is how I innocently got into trouble on a forum as a teenager. The word didn't use to have such an impact here, so when I discovered it was an insult, I never thought it to have the same weight or knew what it meant, so when I jokingly called the mods "fags"...

Some words are funnier the other way round too; like fanny is an innocent way of saying "butt", but has a much ruder meaning here (lower lady parts). So when you talk about your fanny packs in US TV shows...




I think I am beginning to understand why British films sometimes come with subtitles. :P



German is a fun language at least. Regenbogen is rainbow, yet sound so harsh when said. "JA ICH LIEBE MIENE SCHONE SCHMITTERLING" is what a German sounds like when they express their love for a pretty butterfly. Though my German is a bit weak, told it was "cute" though, but a barmaid did correct me on my ordering of mead, she said, "how you say it isn't like mead, but actually a dish that's made up of a small piece of meat, you don't want to chat up a lady by asking for a piece of small meat." It was following that conversation I ended up speaking to a gentleman who tried to get me to challenge his wife in a cage fight. Which reminds me of another guy who drunkedly told me that's only one phrase I needed to learn in German, "Ich will ein bier du schlampe", and told me to use it on his girlfriend over and said "use it on her" when she came back, I saw where it was going, but went ahead anyway, it translates to "I want a beer you sl**" to which she said "ignore him".
My friend Philipp - who lived here for a while and worked for me but who has since moved back to Stuttgart - always emails me a "German phrase of the day" because he thinks it's lazy to speak only one language. The basics are easy enough, but when they need a technical term to describe something, that's when all hell breaks loose. He also can't seem to stomach American beers. I'm not sure the situation in old Blighty, but here extremely bitter IPA's are the rage (extremely well done in New England, I might add!). I took him on a pilgrimage to find Heady Topper and I thought his head was going to explode.
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I like reading the UK edition of The Guardian like to read the comments section under stories (it's often better than the journalism itself). I'm always impressed with the intelligence of the readership, but when the topic is something regional the things they're saying sound like Martian to me. It's amazing that we both understand English but speak completely different languages.
Regional dialect + thick accents is to blame. Try talking to a Jamaican, sometime. GTA 4 made that clear enough. Even with subtitles, I'm like "What did he say? o_O "

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