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Royal Enfield

So, does anyone own one of these? I saw these at a dealer in Spearfish, and have been infatuated ever since. The chrome one just looked too cool. Very old school cool.
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This is old school....
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Very old school, but not nearly as shiny as the Enfield.
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No question the the new Royal Enfields look gnarly.
But, my 1983 Yamaha XS400 makes a bunch more horsepower, goes a bunch faster, does not vibrate, looks good and cost me $250-.
Since then I am up to about $1000- after buying a bunch of parts, a new motor and tyres.

The RE is slow, shakes, and is made in India. If it is made to the same quality as my made in India side car, then it will require many repairs, staring on day one.

I almost bought a Rickman frame with a 650 RE engine, new in 1971. I bought a Norton instead and it was crap. The 650 had a magic lever. I asked this question on the trivia game we played a while back. What does it do?

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They look nice but a bike from India? I like the KTM also but when they moved their factory to India I worry a little. Maybe it's no big deal.
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I've always thought they looked very cool! I don't know anything much about them, but the ones I saw at a dealer here looked to be pretty well finished and nicely made. They have a reputation, but then so do a lot of other bikes.

Personally I'm not worried about something made in India. It's like anything from anywhere else and it depends on the company and the factory it's made in, and there are some very good machine products coming out of India nowadays. In fact a guy I know has a factory in India that makes tooling holders for the auto industry. All the manufacturing equipment is designed and built in Germany and set up by German engineers, but the plant is managed and run by Indians. So, many of your American built cars and trucks are made using some tooling made in India.
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I was surprised that the last John Deere tractor I rented for work was made in India.
I'd get a Royal Enfield, but I just dont need another motorcycle.
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I was surprised that the last John Deere tractor I rented for work was made in India.
I'd get a Royal Enfield, but I just dont need another motorcycle.
Need another motorcycle? Me either. Want another motorcycle? Always. As far as the made in India thing, they sell a ton of the things over there, so there must be some value there. Also, I already own a motorcycle built in Russia, India might be a improvement.
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You're well on your way to having a collection of bikes with one built on each continent.
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Made in India???? I heard something similar many years ago ......Made in Japan
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I too was enamored by the RE, and like the classic look of them. It was a bit discouraging to hear owners talk about their experiences with the need for repairs on most of them. I'm not sure what is the cause, unless the manufactured parts are simply not made with the best materials, or whatever.

They (RE) have ventured into the 500 & 650cc market of late, and I admit to appreciating the larger motor sizes, more so than a "round town" 350cc.

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I have seen many youtube comments about needing lots of Locktite. It would appear that just about every fastener is subject to vibrating loose.
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I rode one a few years ago on a demo and overall I was impressed. I have heard some things need to be tightened, but honestly the demo I rode looked and felt like a well made bike. Things were tight and smooth, nothing rattled that wasn't supposed to. Riding the bike it felt very capable - enough power for what it was designed for but no more. It's not a power house, but isn't trying to be. It was able to ride pretty much any road without being uncomfortable, I even had it up to 60 and it wasn't buzzy. I would buy one if I were in the market for that type of bike. And I love the side cars!

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He is not being the one that worked on my side car. No no, my guy had a big hammer, when he is putting on the wheel. And a sharp tyre iron that is cutting the tube, very much so.

But I wish he had. It would look real sharp.

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Krusty, was it a decompression lever so you could kick it over?
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Krusty, was it a decompression lever so you could kick it over?
Hey, gidday. Where you been?
The 650 RE had a foot operated lever on the gear box. Press that and it found neutral from any gear. Was referred to as the magic lever.
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It's important to remember the environment that these bikes come from, and that they are primarily used in.

Watch any National Geographic special about life in India, and you see very crowded streets. Yes there are outlying areas, with open, yet hazardous roads, but most of the folks are riding in very heavy congestion, and they can't get their bikes up over 40 miles an hour, because there's no room.

For THEM, a smaller "cc" bike is more than enough.

Their venture into bikes in the 500 - 650cc range, is designed to capture the USA (and other) markets.


If I have a few thousand burning a hole in my pocket, I'll buy one and let you know what I&ve learned, but I ain't trading in my HD for one!!

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I watched a number of these videos before, and am impressed with the manual dexterity of the hand-painting. That won't last long if production ramps up, and they'll end up automating that craftsmanship too! Damn shame!!


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India is a place I would love to visit. I agree, these are bikes made for the Indian commuter, not the US interstate system. Still..... I am thinking seriously about it.
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Shirley was just there, and traveled all over for two months. Many train trips and other forms of transport. Went to the camel fair, and the salt flats, many temples, one with 3200 steps. Some of the pics she has border on hilarious. Such as a passenger carrying a 4 X 6 sheet of plywood square on into the wind.

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Just checked a message from Shirley, sent from India about 2 months ago.

What you see on a motorcycle:
1 person rarely, 5 constantly, normal 3 - 4. Women ride side saddle. Mirrors 50/50. Signal lights rarely. Helmets almost never. Girls and women riding, mostly in the cities. Kids steering while dad does the foot work, often. Flip flops all the time. Goats often. Passenger feeds leaves.
Calves, sleeping person, 20 foot lengths of plastic pipes. 3 bikes in a row with 10 plastic chairs per bike.
Many bikes have been converted to two rear wheels for hauling larger loads. As in more than you can get in a typical pick up.
Some of the three wheeled bikes are dressed up with ribbons and ornaments.

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Yes, that is the general idea. Could use a bit more farkle tho, a bit like this.

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I hope everyone realizes the difficulty of finding a blonde on a trike in India. It is probably a Royal Enfield too.

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I hope everyone realizes the difficulty of finding a blonde on a trike in India. It is probably a Royal Enfield too.

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While I do think it's an attractive Bike .. A Single Cylinder 500 CC Ride, Made in India, that puts out 29 HorsePower, just has too many negatives for me to consider ..

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The Himalayan is still pulling hard at my wallet. I love the concept, the simplicity, and hopefully the cheap price when/if it hits the States. It just seems like a great backwoods bike to compliment my XT350, which my son will so be riding. 2016 Royal Enfield Himalayan Specs & Photos - Motorcycle USA
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My 83 XS400 makes 45 hp, compared to an RE 500 at 29, as quoted above. But the Yamaha does it at 10,000 revs. 6,000 at 60, 7,000 at 70 and so on. The RE would have a longer stroke, and be a better tractor motor. And nicer to putter around town on.
I am trying to think if I have put any miles on a 500 single 4 stroke, and coming up short. The 70s 350 Honda is about it.
Okay, I would like to ride one, but that is about as far as I am prepared to go.

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Just because it is made in Asia is not enough to be put off my the brand. My Triumph America was actually assembled in Thailand and I had far fewer mechanical issues than I did with the Thunderbird made in England (although neither bike really had that many issues at all). I would personally not consider the Royal Enfield primarily because it is essentially very old and outdated technology and was kept in production for the low end market in India. If I wanted a quality retro looking bike, hands down I would get the new Triumph Bonneville in one of its many variations. But in all fairness, that would be a lot more expensive than the lower cost Enfield.

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The quality of a product is not determined by where it is made but by the tollerances required by, and the quality control of, the company the product is made for. I think a lot of these third world countries (where factories are located due to cheap labor) do not naturally understand the concept of quality; but, they can be taught and if overseen properly during the manufacturing process thay can produce excellent products. Only time will tell if RE is quality driven.
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RE bikes have been built in India since 1955. As much as I like the bikes, quality has never been a priority, it seems. How much time do they need?
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Face it, a very large part of our parts business and all business's combined, comes from China. I cannot speak for the quality of those items that are sold in the home country, i.e., China, India etc...

But, having worked briefly for a kit car company that imported many parts from China, I learned that the Chinese were very capable of building any type of part to any tolerance needed by the customer. Of course High tolerances, higher quality and higher quality control can happen with the addition of higher dollar investment. As the expression goes, you literally get what you pay for.

In years gone by we would tend to over build things for various reasons. We didn't know the stress involved with a certain product, we wanted to build it better and safer. So we built the best we could. But now, with the advent of computer technology, we can build products that are "stress tested," build them just good enough, the hell with building it much better because we can save money by building it cheaper. I've seen some beautiful work that came from a Chinese factory, but it will cost you.

If you tell them what you want and give them the parameters they need to follow, they are more than capable of turning out a high quality piece.

All these high tech parts that are needed for our phones and computers, they are not made in these countries just because they are cheap. If the product did not conform to the quality needed by say Apple, or any of the tech companies, do you think they would keep buying from them? No, they would go elsewhere. But they are able to produce those quality products at a price better than can be found in the U.S. Economics 101.
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