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GoodBye Victory

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Phew for a minute there I thought you were going to say you rode to work today and on the way in.................
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I'm honestly surprised it took this long. Not sure if Polaris intended to shoot themselves in the foot but that's exactly what they did. Even producing the Octane seemed like they were fighting themselves. The Octane now a better bike that it's parent Scout according to many.

So will Victory get bought up or be allowed to die completely?
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It sounds like they will continue to grow the Indian brand.
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I didn't think about how that topic could be ambiguous, sorry for the scare but thanks for the concern.

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Maybe we can get 50% off

Honestly, when I walked into a Polaris dealer and looked at their models, I was NEVER excited. I know the product was very good but to me they were just not inspiring and BLAND.

Now, every time I go into my local Harley Dealership, I'm like a kid in a candy store! Beauty abounds everywhere and there is a feel of Fraternity and family.

As long as they concentrate on the INDIAN brand, I believe their fortunes will grow as more Dealers are available geographically.

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The Indian brand as it is today doesn't appeal to a large enough crowd. They really needed a sport version and a true entry level machine. I saw Victory as their entry level product. Big mistake unless fold it all into Indian.

And they still have that electric bike they were working on. Where's that go?

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Polaris had a prime opportunity to change the face of Victory. It could have become a sporting brand. And let Indian assume the role of tradition cruiser/bagger/etc. Remember the excitement of Project 156? When everyone thought we were going to get a real sporting type bike from Polaris? Then they dumped the Octane on us. Fine bike. But such a let down from what we thought we were getting. I think a sport bike like Project 156's Pikes Peak bike would sell well.

If Vic is going away, I hope they don't pigeon hole the Indian brand into a corner like HD did to themselves. I love HD, but they can't sell anything new and innovative now. I hope Polaris expands Indian beyond highway barges, as much as I do love their highway barges. I hope they offer a broad range, like the Japanese or Europeans do with their brands.
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P.S. If our local dealer cuts big chunks of money off a Cross Country, I'd be seriously interested. They are fine bikes, but at the original asking price I found other bikes more appealing.
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Yep, buy one now and you got a collectors item. Maybe they know that too though.

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I would love to see some more bikes like the 156 - I hope they pass that off to Indian and let them run with it - sort of like Lurch is saying.

Aside form that.. wow! I can't believe they're going away!

I always forget, is Can-Am part of the Polaris/Victory family?
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You know, it's funny. I had a nice...somewhat less than civil discussion on another website, about Victory vs Harley. The other guy argued that Victory would be the death of Harley. I argued that Harley would outlive them by generations, because "Once they lose their luster, and stop making good sales figures, Polaris will pull the plug. Harley doesn't answer to a parent, in that fashion. They don't have that risk."

Not surprised it's come true, but shocked it happened only a month later...

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Although have stated it out here several times just once more .. My 2012 Cross Country is without question the best trouble free Bike ever owned and still runs like a top with 77,000 miles on it .. As long as KevinX is 20 miles away from me will run the wheels off it .. This is nothing new for Bike companies to dump their red headed stepchild .. Harley did it with their Italian Aeromacchi Sprint Models and also Dumped Buell as well .. Indian was outselling Victory their First year so this comes as no surprise to me .. But while some can't get past the looks of Victory, the Power and Handling of a Victory for a Bike it's size have not seen any match yet , US Made no question , very few imports can touch it as well ..

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More proof that building a better product does not guarantee success. Polaris pretty much let Victory languish while re-introducing the zombie corpse of Indian. Evidenced by the fact that the Scout was "stolen" from Victory and released before the Octane.

Also more proof that cruiser buyers have no imagination. Want an American cruiser now? You can choose from boring HDs and the reanimated corpse of a company that died in the early 50s.

Guess we'll never see a café version of the Octane now...

Not that I'm bitter or anything.
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Over on the VOG forum there is lots of wailing going on today.
I only have a low 31000 miles on my Vision so with the promise of 10 years of parts support I think I will keep it and try to wear mine out.
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I only have a low 31000 miles on my Vision so with the promise of 10 years of parts support I think I will keep it and try to wear mine out.


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I always forget, is Can-Am part of the Polaris/Victory family?
No. Can-Am is part of the BRP family. Bombardier Recreational Products. A direct competitor of Polaris. Both started out making snowmobiles before expanding into other markets. BRP are perhaps best know for their Ski-Doo and Sea-Doo brands.
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Wow & I was honestly considering either a Victory Cross Country or a Magnum might be my next bike after I tire of my current Yamaha Raider..

Thank GAWD I'm still in love with the Raider as much as the day I bought it

So I don't know for sure what to drool over next.. I did demo ride a Indian Roadmaster & LOVED it, but I only have 1-bike-at-a-time & the Roadmaster is too much bike for 2/3 of how I ride..

Some other bikes I've demo-drooled over were the Harley Fat Bob & Suzuki M109. Both great bikes but each having enough deficiencies to keep me from pulling the trigger on either..

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No. Can-Am is part of the BRP family. Bombardier Recreational Products. A direct competitor of Polaris. Both started out making snowmobiles before expanding into other markets. BRP are perhaps best know for their Ski-Doo and Sea-Doo brands.
Let us not forget Can Am motorcycles. They were darn good dirt bikes.
It was Bombardier that made the first snowmobile. It was his son in law Bordwarn ( not spelled correctly ) that expanded operations. He was a sharp guy.
Probably a story on wiki about it.

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I wonder what Polaris will do with the electric bikes they were building? I was hoping to see their racing program flourish as well. I was never a huge fan of the styling of the Victory bikes, still too bad they had to go.
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Let us not forget Can Am motorcycles. They were darn good dirt bikes.
It was Bombardier that made the first snowmobile. It was his son in law Bordwarn ( not spelled correctly ) that expanded operations. He was a sharp guy.
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The first snowmobile was made in Sayner, Wisconsin in 1924, they still have it on display - Eliason Snowmobiles
My message was to emphasize that it was Joseph-Armand Bombardier, who made the first Bombardier snowmobile. He died in 1964. And that it was his son in law, Laurent Beaudoin ( this time spelled correctly ) who joined the company in 1963, that expanded the company in the early 1970s. Beaudoin's son became CEO in 2003.
I sold Skidoo and Can Am in the 70's, and got to meet the top brass.

Sayner does seem to get credit for the first snowmobile, although there are other snow going craft that predate him. According to wiki.

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I wonder what Polaris will do with the electric bikes they were building? I was hoping to see their racing program flourish as well. I was never a huge fan of the styling of the Victory bikes, still too bad they had to go.
I think they were second at the IOM in 2016. They were first in 2015 under the previous owner. 2016 had a lot tougher competition.
The E bike did well at Pikes Peak in 2016. It did not suffer from altitude sickness like the non supercharged bikes.

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I really loved the looks of the Vics, the vegas and the Highball specifically, I was thinking they should have just rolled the Vics into the Indian line up and got rid of the two brands but keep the bikes under one name... but what do I know :shrug:
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This is nothing new for Bike companies to dump their red headed stepchild ..
Speaking as a redheaded stepchild, that's not very nice. :P
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Can't say I'm surprised. HD (just to name one competitor) continues to do "more" in more ways for the consumer, than any other brand. It's the support and related material sales that keeps things alive for a product; not just the sale of the product itself. That's (accessorizing) the bread-n-butter concept of all Sales marketing.

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It's really ashamed Victory is mostly remembered by their Vision bike and not all the others. But honestly I would not be afraid to buy a new Victory right now if I was in the market. They are extremely reliable bikes. It was Victory that made me take a big chance on the Polaris Indian. Had Victory been like Harley my next bike would have probably been a Triumph or Honda. Triumph however I ruled out for lack of dealerships so it would have been Honda most likely. Whether you Vision owners like it or not, that bike was that wart no one wanted to talk about and I think is the downfall of Victory. Personally I would like to see someone pick Victory back up and run with it without the Vision. But the true question is, would this country support it. I think a young entrepreneur that just inherited his/her family fortune could keep it alive for years by making it the cheaper choice between Harley and Indian. They are good bikes. Just like Chevy is a good car but not as good as a Caddy. It can survive. Or could have.
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Maybe the folks in the Victory factory will put their pennies together and buy the company and keep it alive.

Sound like a familiar story? Ovation did it. So did Harley.

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It's really ashamed Victory is mostly remembered by their Vision bike and not all the others. But honestly I would not be afraid to buy a new Victory right now if I was in the market. They are extremely reliable bikes. It was Victory that made me take a big chance on the Polaris Indian. Had Victory been like Harley my next bike would have probably been a Triumph or Honda. Triumph however I ruled out for lack of dealerships so it would have been Honda most likely. Whether you Vision owners like it or not, that bike was that wart no one wanted to talk about and I think is the downfall of Victory. Personally I would like to see someone pick Victory back up and run with it without the Vision. But the true question is, would this country support it. I think a young entrepreneur that just inherited his/her family fortune could keep it alive for years by making it the cheaper choice between Harley and Indian. They are good bikes. Just like Chevy is a good car but not as good as a Caddy. It can survive. Or could have.
Good Post .. While I can feel for some of the Victory Die Hards that feel betrayed , I am not in that bunch, as have seen other times this has happened to other industries as well .. Basically my Victory is not worth squat on Trade even when Victory was doing far better than now with the High Mileage and the way the engine is hopped up .. My Indian Scout is not worth much either as had a Factory Rebuild and New Speedometer which reads 20,071 Miles too low .. I have about 2 Grand More into my 05 Dyna than it's actually worth so will just ride the wheels off all 3 until my Riding days are over .. On the other hand if was in the Market would jump all over a Victory with Polaris covering parts and service for the next 10 years ..
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People bashing Victory for their business practice or looks... I just know we lost an American made motorcycle brand.
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That's a lot of equipment and facilities that are going to be shut down. And from a human side a lot of people that are going to be out of work, not only on the assembly lines, but in all the companies that are suppliers to the brand.

I wonder what they'll do with all the machinery and production facilities? Use them to increase Indian production? Or maybe get out of the motorcycle business and increase Slingshot production?
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From what I understand, Vic and Injuns are built on the same lines in Spirit Lake. If that is correct, the facilities will stay the same. I wonder how this will effect personnel?
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I've got 62,000 on my Vision, but that's really not much for these things, they seem to run forever, I know plenty go over 200,000. Mine is a VERY early one, an 08 that I bought it from the original owner. He saw a picture and wanted one, pre-ordered and she was delivered in 07, #160 off the line.

Last year I rode 25,000 miles so I can probably ride this for years. I will keep an eye on the pricing though, I could see picking up a new one for a fire sale price, and then trying to wear that one out too.


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Bought a new Vic last March. They say parts will be available for 10 years. That must be the reason we had to wait months for parts for a new Octane, they still don't have all of them in. And weeks for a voltage regulator for the Vegas. This is our second and last Victory/Polaris product. There will never be anything from them blessing the threshold of our barn again. They want to dump the only money making side of their business to throw good money at a 3 wheeled car and an overpriced, overweight chump of a motorcycle. I will stick with better company values now. This is the year I was going to trade the Honda on a CC Tour, but it will not be a Vic, I can't wait on a company to supply parts if and when they decide that the dealer can have them. The only thing Vic has changed on their bikes in the last few years was paint, guess they lost any new ideas for them anyway. Great bikes nearly all the time, but

Looks like it's another Honda for me. I'm still getting new parts for my 43 year old Honda.

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Vic was far from being the money making division of Polaris. Their off road vehicle division holds that title by a long shot.
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Bought a new Vic last March. They say parts will be available for 10 years. That must be the reason we had to wait months for parts for a new Octane, they still don't have all of them in. And weeks for a voltage regulator for the Vegas. This is our second and last Victory/Polaris product. There will never be anything from them blessing the threshold of our barn again. They want to dump the only money making side of their business to throw good money at a 3 wheeled car and an overpriced, overweight chump of a motorcycle. I will stick with better company values now. This is the year I was going to trade the Honda on a CC Tour, but it will not be a Vic, I can't wait on a company to supply parts if and when they decide that the dealer can have them. The only thing Vic has changed on their bikes in the last few years was paint, guess they lost any new ideas for them anyway. Great bikes nearly all the time, but

Looks like it's another Honda for me. I'm still getting new parts for my 43 year old Honda.
Easy!!! You're gonna send some more Vic owners to their safe spaces.


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